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| Subject: | RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/23/08 |
Gary=2C
I have seen your oil flows. They were quite intereting and look to be an i
mprovement over the stock inlets.
I currently work at AFRL PR-East. The sister propulsion lab to the rocket
folks=2C we do air breathers. In particular=2C I am the Chief Engineer for
the X-51=2C a scramjet demo program. I have spent much time at Eddie Edwa
rds on the B-2=2C F-22=2C GH=2Cand JSF.... I know it well=2C along with La
ncaster and Sharky's..:)
Have you been to the NATIONAL Museum of the Air Force....:) If you make AY
A 2010=2C you'll get a chance to eat dinner among the airplanes.Richard Mut
zman
Dayton=2C OH "Home of AYA 2010"> Date: Tue=2C 23 Dec 2008 23:58:59 -0800>
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: Tiger Cowl (teamgrumman@aol.com)> 2. 05:26 AM - Re: Tiger Cowl (Steve Rob
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List: Tiger Cowl> From: teamgrumman@aol.com> > Hi Richard=2C=C2-> > > Hav
e you seen my oil flow results on my web site?> > > Hmmm. =C2-Move to Ohi
o. =C2- Let's see=2C California=2C Ohio=2C . . . . . Cali> fornia=2C Ohio
=2C . . . . ain't no freakin way I'm moving to Ohio. =C2-I waite> d 22 ye
ars to move to Auburn. =C2-Even if I could double my income=2C I woul> dn
't move.=C2-> > > Ohio: Birthplace of aviation. =C2-So=2C Richard=2C I
guess you've never been t> o Edwards Air Force Base. =C2-The Wright Bros
may have made bicycles in Oh> io=2C aviation history was made in California
. =C2-More first flights have t> aken place at Edwards than any other pla
ce in the world.> > > Gary> > Propulsion Engineer=2C 1982 to 1998> > Air Fo
rce Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (Home of the Saturn V)> > F-16 Flight test
=2C 416th Flight Test Center> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Richard
Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>> Sent: Mon=2C 22 Dec 2008 5:30 am> Subject: TeamG
rumman-List: Tiger Cowl> > > Gary=2C> > =C2-> > To bad I don't live close
r to you.=C2- It would be a fun project to adapt > it to the Cheetah.=C
2- It would take e back to when I was a young engineer> doing oil flows in
wind tunnels=2C and aircraft performance work.> > =C2-> > Any chance you
can move to Ohio for a year...:)=C2- If it would help convi> nce you=2C I
have a good work associate who is a DER and would love to get inv> olved w
ith something like this....:):)> > Richard Mutzman> Dayton=2C OH> > Birthpl
ace of Aviation and Home of AYA 2010> > > Send e> -mail anywhere. No map=2C
no compass. Get your Hotmail=C2=AE account now.> > > _________________
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05:26:41 AM PST US> From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>> Subject: RE:
TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl> > > Gary can't say that I blame you. I haven'
t decided yet but when it comes ti> me to stop playing with this big train
set the government likes to call Amt> rak my plan is to move somewhere west
of the Mississippi. Where? I have no > clue=2C but I have six years=2C
three months and nine day to figure it out.> But who's counting. I grew up
on the east coast. I don't want to die here.> ..> Steve Roberts AA1B - 641
HY @ ILG AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin We shall> not cease from explora
tion. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to> arrive were we starte
d And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot> > =2C > > Have you
seen my oil flow results on my web site?> > Hmmm. Move to Ohio. Let's see
=2C California=2C Ohio=2C . . . . . Califor> nia=2C Ohio=2C . . .
. ain't no freakin way I'm moving to Ohio. I waited 2> 2 years to move to
Auburn. Even if I could double my income=2C I wouldn't > move. > > Ohio:
Birthplace of aviation. So=2C Richard=2C I guess you've never been t> o
Edwards Air Force Base. The Wright Bros may have made bicycles in Ohio>
=2C aviation history was made in California. More first flights have take
n> place at Edwards than any other place in the world.> > Gary> Propulsion
Engineer=2C 1982 to 1998> Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (Home of
the Saturn V)> F-16 Flight test=2C 416th Flight Test Center> -----Origin
al Message-----From: Richard Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>To: Team Gr> umman <te
amgrumman-list@matronics.com>Sent: Mon=2C 22 Dec 2008 5:30 amSubje> ct: T
eamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl> Gary=2C To bad I don't live closer to you. I
t would be a fun project to ad> apt it to the Cheetah. It would take e back
to when I was a young engineer> doing oil flows in wind tunnels=2C and a
ircraft performance work. Any chan> ce you can move to Ohio for a year...:)
If it would help convince you=2C I> hav e a good work associate who is a
DER and would love to get involved wi> th something like this....:):)Richa
rd MutzmanDayton=2C OHBirthplace of Avia> tion and Home of AYA 2010> > Se
nd e-mail anywhere. No map=2C no compass. Get your Hotmail=AE account n
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| Subject: | Re: RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/23/08 |
When I worked as a research scientist at the AFRPL... the original name, I w
orked with researchers at UDRI (University of Dayton Research Institute for
those wondering). =C2-I've been the the museum several times. =C2-That w
as in the mid-late 80s. =C2-A lot has probably changes since then.=C2-
I also worked with researchers at Penn State, Univ of Illinois, Urbana-Champ
aign, Univ of Utah, MIT, CalTec, UCLA, USC, Navel Post Graduate School, Lock
heed Martin, UTSI, . . . . =C2-Hell, I don't remember them all. =C2-I al
so worked with Dr Price from Univ of Georgia on scramjets. =C2-We did a fe
w scramjet studies. =C2-Not many. =C2-
At Edwards, I was a propulsion engineer on F-16s P&W engines. =C2-I saw th
e a few engine runs on the F119 at P&W Florida. =C2-
After all of that,I wouldn't give up working on the little Grummans. =C2-P
lus, if I need something, I don't need to go through 6 months of requests.
=C2-No morning meetings either.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 5:23 am
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/23/08
Gary,=C2-
=C2-
I have seen your oil flows.=C2- They were quite intereting and look to be
an improvement over the stock inlets.=C2-
=C2-
I currently work at AFRL PR-East.=C2- The sister propulsion lab to the roc
ket folks, we do air breathers.=C2- In particular, I am the
Chief Engineer for the X-51, a scramjet demo program.=C2- I have spent muc
h time at Eddie Edwards on the B-2, F-22, GH,and JSF....=C2- I know it wel
l, along with Lancaster and Sharky's..:)
=C2-
Have you been to the NATIONAL Museum of the Air Force....:)=C2- If you mak
e AYA 2010, you'll get a chance to eat dinner among the airplanes.
Richard Mutzman
Dayton, OH=C2- "Home of AYA 2010"
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:58:59 -0800
> From: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> To: teamgrumman-list-digest@matronics.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/23/08
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> 1. 12:32 AM - Re: Tiger Cowl (teamgrumman@aol.com)
> 2. 05:26 AM - Re: Tiger Cowl (Steve Roberts)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _______________________________
______
>
>
> Time: 12:32:34 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
> From: teamgrumman@aol.com
>
> Hi Richard,=C2-
>
>
> Have you seen my oil flow results on my web site?
>
>
> Hmmm. =C2-Move to Ohio. =C2- Let's see, California, Ohio, . . . . . Ca
li
> fornia, Ohio, . . . . ain't no freakin way I'm moving to Ohio. =C2-I wai
te
> d 22 years to move to Auburn. =C2-Even if I could double my income, I wo
ul
> dn't move.=C2-
>
>
> Ohio: Birthplace of aviation. =C2-So, Richard, I guess you've never been
t
> o Edwards Air Force Base. =C2-The Wright Bros may have made bicycles in
Oh
> io, aviation history was made in California. =C2-More first flights have
t
> aken place at Edwards than any other place in the world.
>
>
> Gary
>
> Propulsion Engineer, 1982 to 1998
>
> Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (Home of the Saturn V)
>
> F-16 Flight test, 416th Flight Test Center
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>=2
0From: Richard Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>
> Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 5:30 am
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
>
>
> Gary,
>
> =C2-
>
> To bad I don't live closer to you.=C2- It would be a fun project to adap
t
> it to the Cheetah.=C2- It would take e back to when I was a young engine
er
> doing oil flows in wind tunnels, and aircraft performance work.
>
> =C2-
>
> Any chance you can move to Ohio for a year...:)=C2- If it would help con
vi
> nce you, I have a good work associate who is a DER and would love to get i
nv
> olved with something like this....:):)
>
> Richard Mutzman
> Dayton, OH
>
> Birthplace of Aviation and Home of AYA 2010
>
>
> Send e
> -mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail=C2=AE account now
.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _______________________________
______
>
>
> Time: 05:26:41 AM PST US
> From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
>
>
> Gary can't say that I blame you. I haven't decided yet but when it comes t
i
> me to stop playing with this big train set the government likes to call Am
t
> rak my plan is to move somewhere west of the Mississippi. Where? I have no
> clue=2C but I have six years=2C three months and nine day to figure it
out.
> But who's counting. I grew up on the east coast. I don't want to die here.
> ..
> Steve Roberts AA1B - 641HY @ ILG AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin We shal
l
> not ce
ase from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to
> arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
>
> =2C
>
> Have you seen my oil flow results on my web site?
>
> Hmmm. Move to Ohio. Let's see=2C California=2C Ohio=2C . . . . . Cal
ifor
> nia=2C Ohio=2C . . . . ain't no freakin way I'm moving to Ohio. I wait
ed 2
> 2 years to move to Auburn. Even if I could double my income=2C I wouldn'
t
> move.
>
> Ohio: Birthplace of aviation. So=2C Richard=2C I guess you've never be
en t
> o Edwards Air Force Base. The Wright Bros may have made bicycles in Ohio
> =2C aviation history was made in California. More first flights have tak
en
> place at Edwards than any other place in the world.
>
> Gary
> Propulsion Engineer=2C 1982 to 1998
> Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (Home of the Saturn V)
> F-16 Flight test=2C 416th Flight Test Center
> -----Original Message-----From: Richard Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>To: Team G
r
> umman <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>Sent: Mon=2C 22 Dec 2008 5:30 amSu
bje
> ct: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
> Gary=2C To bad I don't live closer to you. It would be a fun project to
ad
> apt it to the Cheetah. It would take e back to when I was a young engineer
> doing oil flows in wind tunnels=2C and aircraft performance work. Any ch
an
> ce you can move to Ohio for a year...:) If it would help convince you=2C
I
> hav e a good work associate who is a DER an
d would love to get involved wi
> th something like this....:):)Richard MutzmanDayton=2C OHBirthplace of A
via
> tion and Home of AYA 2010
>
> Send e-mail anywhere. No map=2C no compass. Get your Hotmail=AE accoun
t now
> .
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