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2. 01:41 PM - Heavy ailerons, 2005 AG5B (G Vogt)
3. 01:56 PM - Re: Heavy ailerons, 2005 AG5B (923te)
4. 01:56 PM - Fw: Tight aelerons (923te)
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| Subject: | Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/25/08 |
Thanks Gary and?Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all?-
Dave Vasquez
N264CM
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1. 11:23 AM - Merry Christmas (teamgrumman@aol.com)
2. 02:16 PM - Re: Merry Christmas (Bruce Smith)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 11:23:53 AM PST US
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Merry Christmas
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Merry Christmas everyone from Beautiful Auburn, California. =C2-
Now, there is something you'll never see on the Grumman-Gang. =C2-Why?
=C2-No Grumman content.
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 02:16:17 PM PST US
From: Bruce Smith <haveblue1@mac.com>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Merry Christmas
Gary and fellow Team Grummaneers,
Right back at you all
from sunny (today at least) York Pennsylvania!
Everyone, go out and fly tomorrow!
Bruce Smith
On Dec 25, 2008, at 2:23 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
> Merry Christmas everyone from Beautiful Auburn, California.
>
>
> Now, there is something you'll never see on the Grumman-Gang. Why?
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| Subject: | Heavy ailerons, 2005 AG5B |
I did a post Power Flow installation flight and the ailerons felt as
if the autopilot was engaged. I pulled the circuit breaker and no
change.
Any similar experiences? Any ideas?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:06 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
> When I worked as a research scientist at the AFRPL... the original
> name, I worked with researchers at UDRI (University of Dayton
> Research Institute for those wondering). I've been the the museum
> several times. That was in the mid-late 80s. A lot has probably
> changes since then.
>
> I also worked with researchers at Penn State, Univ of Illinois,
> Urbana-Champaign, Univ of Utah, MIT, CalTec, UCLA, USC, Navel Post
> Graduate School, Lockheed Martin, UTSI, . . . . Hell, I don't
> remember them all. I also worked with Dr Price from Univ of Georgia
> on scramjets. We did a few scramjet studies. Not many.
>
> At Edwards, I was a propulsion engineer on F-16s P&W engines. I saw
> the a few engine runs on the F119 at P&W Florida.
>
> After all of that,I wouldn't give up working on the little
> Grummans. Plus, if I need something, I don't need to go through 6
> months of requests. No morning meetings either.
>
> Gary
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>
> To: Team Grumman <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 5:23 am
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
> 12/23/08
>
> Gary,
>
> I have seen your oil flows. They were quite intereting and look to
> be an improvement over the stock20inlets.
>
> I currently work at AFRL PR-East. The sister propulsion lab to the
> rocket folks, we do air breathers. In particular, I am the Chief
> Engineer for the X-51, a scramjet demo program. I have spent much
> time at Eddie Edwards on the B-2, F-22, GH,and JSF.... I know it
> well, along with Lancaster and Sharky's..:)
>
> Have you been to the NATIONAL Museum of the Air Force....:) If you
> make AYA 2010, you'll get a chance to eat dinner among the airplanes.
>
> Richard Mutzman
> Dayton, OH "Home of AYA 2010"
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:58:59 -0800
> > From: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> > To: teamgrumman-list-digest@matronics.com
> > Subject: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/23/08
> >
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> > 1. 12:32 AM - Re: Tiger Cowl (teamgrumman@aol.com)
> > 2. 05:26 AM - Re: Tiger Cowl (Steve Roberts)
> >
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
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> >
> > Time: 12:32:34 AM PST US
> > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
> > From: teamgrumman@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Richard,=C2-
> >
> >
> > Have you seen my oil flow results on my web site?
> >
> >
> >=2 0Hmmm. =C2-Move to Ohio. =C2- Let's see, California,
> Ohio, . . . . . Cali
> > fornia, Ohio, . . . . ain't no freakin way I'm moving to Ohio. =C2-
> I waite
> > d 22 years to move to Auburn. =C2-Even if I could double my
> income, I woul
> > dn't move.=C2-
> >
> >
> > Ohio: Birthplace of aviation. =C2-So, Richard, I guess you've
> never been t
> > o Edwards Air Force Base. =C2-The Wright Bros may have made
> bicycles in Oh
> > io, aviation history was made in California. =C2-More first
> flights have t
> > aken place at Edwards than any other place in the world.
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > Propulsion Engineer, 1982 to 1998
> >
> > Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (Home of the Saturn V)
> >
> > F-16 Flight test, 416th Flight Test Center
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>
> > Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 5:30 am
> > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
> >
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > =C2-
> >
> > To bad I don't live closer to you.=C2- It would be a fun project
> to adapt
> > it to the Cheetah.=C2- It would take e back to when I was a young
> engineer
> > doing oil flows in wind tunnels, and aircraft performance work.
> >
> > =C2-
> >
> > Any chance you can move to Ohio for a year...:)=C2- If it would
> help convi
> > nce you, I have a good work associate who is a DER and would love
> to get inv
> > olved with something like this....:):)
> >
> > Richard Mutzman
> > Dayton, OH
> >
> > Birthplace of Aviation and Home of AYA 2010
> >
> >
> > Send e
> > -mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail=C2=AE account
> now.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:26:41 AM PST US
> > From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
> > Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
> >
> >
> > Gary can't say that I blame you. I haven't decided yet but when it
> comes ti
> > me to stop playing with this big train set the government likes to
> call Amt
> > rak my plan is to move somewhere west of the Mississippi. Where? I
> have no
> > clue=2C but I have six years=2C three months and nine day to
> figure it out.
> > But who's counting. I grew up on the east coast. I don't want to
> die here.
> > ..
> > Steve Roberts AA1B - 641HY @ ILG AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
> We shall
> > not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring
> Will be to
> > arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T.
> S. Eliot
> >
> > =2C
> >
> > Have you seen my oil flow results on my web site?
> >
> > Hmmm. Move to Ohio. Let's see=2C California=2C Ohio=2C . . . . .
> Califor
> > nia=2C Ohio=2C . . . . ain't no freakin way I'm moving to Ohio. I
> waited 2
> > 2 years to move to Auburn.20Even if I could double my income=2C I
> wouldn't
> > move.
> >
> > Ohio: Birthplace of aviation. So=2C Richard=2C I guess you've
> never been t
> > o Edwards Air Force Base. The Wright Bros may have made bicycles
> in Ohio
> > =2C aviation history was made in California. More first flights
> have taken
> > place at Edwards than any other place in the world.
> >
> > Gary
> > Propulsion Engineer=2C 1982 to 1998
> > Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (Home of the Saturn V)
> > F-16 Flight test=2C 416th Flight Test Center
> > -----Original Message-----From: Richard Mutzman
> <rcmutz@msn.com>To: Team Gr
> > umman <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>Sent: Mon=2C 22 Dec 2008
> 5:30 amSubje
> > ct: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
> > Gary=2C To bad I don't live closer to you. It would be a fun
> project to ad
> > apt it to the Cheetah. It would take e back to when I was a young
> engineer
> > doing oil flows in wind tunnels=2C and aircraft performance work.
> Any chan
> > ce you can move to Ohio for a year...:) If it would help convince
> you=2C I
> > hav e a good work associate who is a DER and would love to get
> involved wi
> > th something like this....:):)Richard MutzmanDayton=2C
> OHBirthplace of Avia
> > tion and Home of AYA 2010
> >
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> account now
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy ailerons, 2005 AG5B |
Gary,
Is this an early serial number Tiger Tiger?
I had this happen.
It could have locked the ailerons up.
It turned out to be the roller pin bearings in the chain drive sprockets
and idlers. The factory workers did not grease the brand new bearings on
some of the Tiger Tigers.
I'll forward the email I sent last year.
Better not fly it again until you know what it is
ned
----- Original Message -----
From: G Vogt
To: Gary Vogt
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 3:39 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Heavy ailerons, 2005 AG5B
I did a post Power Flow installation flight and the ailerons felt as
if the autopilot was engaged. I pulled the circuit breaker and no
change.
Any similar experiences? Any ideas?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 24, 2008, at 12:06 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
When I worked as a research scientist at the AFRPL... the original
name, I worked with researchers at UDRI (University of Dayton Research
Institute for those wondering). I've been the the museum several times.
That was in the mid-late 80s. A lot has probably changes since then.
I also worked with researchers at Penn State, Univ of Illinois,
Urbana-Champaign, Univ of Utah, MIT, CalTec, UCLA, USC, Navel Post
Graduate School, Lockheed Martin, UTSI, . . . . Hell, I don't remember
them all. I also worked with Dr Price from Univ of Georgia on
scramjets. We did a few scramjet studies. Not many.
At Edwards, I was a propulsion engineer on F-16s P&W engines. I saw
the a few engine runs on the F119 at P&W Florida.
After all of that,I wouldn't give up working on the little Grummans.
Plus, if I need something, I don't need to go through 6 months of
requests. No morning meetings either.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>
To: Team Grumman <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 5:23 am
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs -
12/23/08
Gary,
I have seen your oil flows. They were quite intereting and look to
be an improvement over the stock20inlets.
I currently work at AFRL PR-East. The sister propulsion lab to the
rocket folks, we do air breathers. In particular, I am the Chief
Engineer for the X-51, a scramjet demo program. I have spent much time
at Eddie Edwards on the B-2, F-22, GH,and JSF.... I know it well, along
with Lancaster and Sharky's..:)
Have you been to the NATIONAL Museum of the Air Force....:) If you
make AYA 2010, you'll get a chance to eat dinner among the airplanes.
Richard Mutzman
Dayton, OH "Home of AYA 2010"
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:58:59 -0800
> From: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> To: teamgrumman-list-digest@matronics.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/23/08
>
> *
>
>
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
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>
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Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
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> 1. 12:32 AM - Re: Tiger Cowl (teamgrumman@aol.com)
> 2. 05:26 AM - Re: Tiger Cowl (Steve Roberts)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
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>
> Time: 12:32:34 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
> From: teamgrumman@aol.com
>
> Hi Richard,=C2-
>
>
> Have you seen my oil flow results on my web site?
>
>
>=2 0Hmmm. =C2-Move to Ohio. =C2- Let's see, California, Ohio,
. . . . . Cali
> fornia, Ohio, . . . . ain't no freakin way I'm moving to Ohio.
=C2-I waite
> d 22 years to move to Auburn. =C2-Even if I could double my
income, I woul
> dn't move.=C2-
>
>
> Ohio: Birthplace of aviation. =C2-So, Richard, I guess you've
never been t
> o Edwards Air Force Base. =C2-The Wright Bros may have made
bicycles in Oh
> io, aviation history was made in California. =C2-More first
flights have t
> aken place at Edwards than any other place in the world.
>
>
> Gary
>
> Propulsion Engineer, 1982 to 1998
>
> Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (Home of the Saturn V)
>
> F-16 Flight test, 416th Flight Test Center
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Mutzman <rcmutz@msn.com>
> Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 5:30 am
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
>
>
> Gary,
>
> =C2-
>
> To bad I don't live closer to you.=C2- It would be a fun project
to adapt
> it to the Cheetah.=C2- It would take e back to when I was a
young engineer
> doing oil flows in wind tunnels, and aircraft performance work.
>
> =C2-
>
> Any chance you can move to Ohio for a year...:)=C2- If it would
help convi
> nce you, I have a good work associate who is a DER and would love
to get inv
> olved with something like this....:):)
>
> Richard Mutzman
> Dayton, OH
>
> Birthplace of Aviation and Home of AYA 2010
>
>
> Send e
> -mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your Hotmail=C2=AE
account now.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:26:41 AM PST US
> From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
>
>
> Gary can't say that I blame you. I haven't decided yet but when it
comes ti
> me to stop playing with this big train set the government likes to
call Amt
> rak my plan is to move somewhere west of the Mississippi. Where? I
have no
> clue=2C but I have six years=2C three months and nine day to
figure it out.
> But who's counting. I grew up on the east coast. I don't want to
die here.
> ..
> Steve Roberts AA1B - 641HY @ ILG AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
We shall
> not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to
> arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T.
S. Eliot
>
> =2C
>
> Have you seen my oil flow results on my web site?
>
> Hmmm. Move to Ohio. Let's see=2C California=2C Ohio=2C . . .
. . Califor
> nia=2C Ohio=2C . . . . ain't no freakin way I'm moving to
Ohio. I waited 2
> 2 years to move to Auburn.20Even if I could double my income=2C
I wouldn't
> move.
>
> Ohio: Birthplace of aviation. So=2C Richard=2C I guess you've
never been t
> o Edwards Air Force Base. The Wright Bros may have made bicycles
in Ohio
> =2C aviation history was made in California. More first flights
have taken
> place at Edwards than any other place in the world.
>
> Gary
> Propulsion Engineer=2C 1982 to 1998
> Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (Home of the Saturn V)
> F-16 Flight test=2C 416th Flight Test Center
> -----Original Message-----From: Richard Mutzman
<rcmutz@msn.com>To: Team Gr
> umman <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>Sent: Mon=2C 22 Dec 2008
5:30 amSubje
> ct: TeamGrumman-List: Tiger Cowl
> Gary=2C To bad I don't live closer to you. It would be a fun
project to ad
> apt it to the Cheetah. It would take e back to when I was a young
engineer
> doing oil flows in wind tunnels=2C and aircraft performance
work. Any chan
> ce you can move to Ohio for a year...:) If it would help convince
you=2C I
> hav e a good work associate who is a DER and would love to get
involved wi
> th something like this....:):)Richard MutzmanDayton=2C
OHBirthplace of Avia
> tion and Home of AYA 2010
>
> Send e-mail anywhere. No map=2C no compass. Get your
Hotmail=AE account now
> .
> ution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> 0Archive Search & Download=2C 7-Day Browse=2C Chat=2C
FAQ=2C
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> p://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Fw: Tight aelerons |
----- Original Message -----
From: 923te@cox.net
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:12 AM
Subject: Tight aelerons
Just a heads up.
My aeleron control at the yokes got very stiff. This happened after
disengaging the autopilot prior to landing at the avionics shop. My A&P
IA Avionics specialists thought that it was the autopilot staying
engaged and suggested that if it was then it would be fine to fly home
with autopilot on and then showed me a disassembled servo and how to
have my homefield mechanic perform maintenance on it.
The cause of the stiff aelerons was found to be the needle bearings in
the control tee. All 4 were extremely dry. The pilot yoke bearing was
the tightest, so tight that when turning the co-pilot yoke one could
perceive that the pilot yoke delayed movement.
This situation progressed rapidly from manageable to so stiff that it
felt close to locking up.
So the heads up is that if you experience what appears to be a
non-disengaging autopilot do not delay in checking it out.
The experts have told me they have n`ever heard of this happening before
on our grummans so it is extrmely rare.
This occurred on an early serial number Tiger Aircraft AG5B and it
appears that the bearings may not have ever been properly lubricated.
Also, the coating applied to the steel shaft running inisde the bearing
contributed to the gummig up of the bearing needles.
Best Regards,
Ned
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