---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/04/09: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/31/09 (James Courtney) 2. 06:23 AM - Panel Layout Advisory Circular (Lawrence Massaro) 3. 10:18 PM - Re: Panel Layout Advisory Circular (teamgrumman@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:54 AM PST US From: "James Courtney" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/31/09 And now what=99s the =9Cpreferred=9D layout in the day of glass cockpits? Very hard to standardize and enforce. Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:09 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/31/09 Thanks John. I mentioned this to a DAR and told him there is no specification as to where these instruments had to be. He said, and I quote, "There is an Advisory Circular that recommends a panel layout for flight instruments for IFR flight. Any deviation from that would require a field approval." He couldn't recite the AC. I can't find one. Could it be that the preferred 6-pack arrangement has never been spelled out? -----Original Message----- From: Hosler, John Sent: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 6:48 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/31/09 I found this: http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_91-205.html John 704-595-2226 _____ From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/31/09 I've been hearing about this regulation for years. Especially after I installed a flat, one-piece panel in a Tiger and the DAR asked if it met the requirements of 'an AC.' I've been looking into trying a few different ideas for an instrument panel so the topic came up again. I've tried few times, off and on, to find it. No luck. This time I thought, "why not ask all the brains out there who are always referring to 'Regulation this' and 'Regulation that.' I'm surprised no one knows what it is. Please keep looking and let me know if you have any luck, thanks Gary -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roberts Sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 6:26 am Subject: R E: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/31/09 I believe there are regs for the six pack. Not sure where they would be though. Steve Roberts AA1B - 641HY @ ILG AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot _____ From: GOLDPILOT@aol.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/31/09 There might not be one. No regs on how to lay-out a panel? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/02/09 19:21:00 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:27 AM PST US From: Lawrence Massaro Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Panel Layout Advisory Circular Gary, Page 226 of this may be what your DER was referring... http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/d0612dab54eeae7486256ff7006b7e0a/$FILE/AC23-17b.pdf ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Panel Layout Advisory Circular From: teamgrumman@aol.com Thanks Larry. =C2-I don't know how you found it. =C2-I tried every possi ble combination of instrument panel, flight instruments, Basic T, IFR, VFR, I could think of. =C2-Great job in finding that. =C2- -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Massaro Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 6:23 am Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Panel Layout Advisory Circular om>=C2- =C2- Gary,=C2- =C2- Page 226 of this may be what your DER was referring...=C2- =C2- http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/ d0612dab54eeae7486256ff7006b7e0a/$FILE/AC23-17b.pdf=C2- =C2- ============C2- ============C2- ============C2- ============C2- =C2- =C2- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.