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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Formatting (David Troup)
2. 12:29 AM - 1977 Cheetah for sale (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
3. 12:31 AM - Re: Re: Formatting (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
4. 04:48 AM - Re: Re: Formatting (linn)
5. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Formatting (Steve Roberts)
6. 05:52 AM - Re: 1977 Cheetah for sale (flyv35b)
7. 07:46 AM - Re: Re: Formatting (Addison Laurent)
8. 10:47 AM - Re: 1977 Cheetah for sale (teamgrumman@aol.com)
9. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: Formatting (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
10. 11:08 AM - another one (or two) (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
11. 11:08 AM - another formatting question (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
12. 11:13 AM - Re: another one (or two) (linn)
13. 11:25 AM - Re: another one (or two) (Addison Laurent)
14. 12:02 PM - Re: another one (or two) (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
15. 12:09 PM - Re: another one (or two) (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
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This is the first message I've gotten from you (via the list) that
doesn't have weird formatting, Gary. So I'd say that you should leave
the settings where they are now (at least from my perspective...
hopefully the latest change hasn't messed things up for anyone else!)
Dave
>
> I did a reset to default values and it turns it ("Always use Rich
> Text/HTML Editing") back on. Weird. Maybe that is some sort of hold
> over from the early DOS (Dumb Operating System) days.
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| Subject: | 1977 Cheetah for sale |
2332 TTSN
Garmin 340 audio panel
New MX 170B
Old KX 170B
KT76A transponder
Nice paint
Interior 1 year old
85 hrs on new Sensenich prop
85 hrs on top overhaul with Lycon cylinders, ported and polished.
New tires
New brakes
New master cylinders
New calipers
New flex brake lines
Fresh annual
Plane is nice and fast
The owner is asking $55,000
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Does anyone know what the "Always use Rich Text/HTML Editing" means?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Troup <david@troup.net>
Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:24 am
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Formatting
This is the first message I've gotten from you (via the list) that
doesn't have weird formatting, Gary. So I'd say that you should leave
the settings where they are now (at least from my perspective...
hopefully the latest change hasn't messed things up for anyone else!)
Dave
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I'll try ...... 'rich text' has embedded formatting information to
control the text such as character size, bold, colors etc. and the HTML
editing refers to the modification of the HTML (HyperText Markup
Language) which is the code that makes up web pages.
With rich text turned on, you get text that's 'emphasized' (my term) and
if it's turned off the text looks like (IMHO) it should ..... like it
was typed on an old manual typewriter.
The big problem is (and I don't know either) you can't tell if the
recipient sees red text or black. In this case the word 'red' was
typed in red, not black.
HTML is always evolving, and present capability is far greater than the
HTML that I wrote many years ago. Programmers like to write 'cool' code
which has found it's way into email which created the problem we're
thrashing right now. And all we want is to send a simple message.
Linn
teamgrumman@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what the "Always use Rich Text/HTML Editing" means?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Troup <david@troup.net>
> To: TeamGrumman-List Digest Server <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:24 am
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Formatting
>
>
>
>
> This is the first message I've gotten from you (via the list) that
> doesn't have weird formatting, Gary. So I'd say that you should leave
> the settings where they are now (at least from my perspective...
> hopefully the latest change hasn't messed things up for anyone else!)
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Lynn is correct. Yes Linn=2C the word red was in red text just as my signat
ure line is red and bold text. Yes I have the rich text on here.
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
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And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive were we started
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Formatting
I'll try ...... 'rich text' has embedded formatting information to control
the text such as character size=2C bold=2C colors etc. and the HTML editing
refers to the modification of the HTML (HyperText Markup Language) which i
s the code that makes up web pages.
With rich text turned on=2C you get text that's 'emphasized' (my term) and
if it's turned off the text looks like (IMHO) it should ..... like it was t
yped on an old manual typewriter.
The big problem is (and I don't know either) you can't tell if the recipien
t sees red text or black. In this case the word 'red' was typed in red=2C
not black.
HTML is always evolving=2C and present capability is far greater than the H
TML that I wrote many years ago. Programmers like to write 'cool' code whi
ch has found it's way into email which created the problem we're thrashing
right now. And all we want is to send a simple message.
Linn
teamgrumman@AOL.COM wrote:
Does anyone know what the "Always use Rich Text/HTML Editing" means?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Troup <david@troup.net>
Sent: Tue=2C 14 Apr 2009 12:24 am
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Formatting
This is the first message I've gotten from you (via the list) that doesn't
have weird formatting=2C Gary. So I'd say that you should leave the settin
gs where they are now (at least from my perspective... hopefully the latest
change hasn't messed things up for anyone else!)
Dave
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: 1977 Cheetah for sale |
Good luck in today's market, especially with an engine that apparently has
2332 hr TT and never been overhauled. Not to mention old nav/com radios.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: <teamgrumman@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:29 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 1977 Cheetah for sale
>
> 2332 TTSN
> Garmin 340 audio panel
> New MX 170B
> Old KX 170B
> KT76A transponder
> Nice paint
> Interior 1 year old
> 85 hrs on new Sensenich prop
> 85 hrs on top overhaul with Lycon cylinders, ported and polished.
> New tires
> New brakes
> New master cylinders
> New calipers
> New flex brake lines
> Fresh annual
>
>
> Plane is nice and fast
>
> The owner is asking $55,000
>
>
>
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Let me essplain.. no, there ees too much. Let mea summa up:
Email wasn't built to handle *fonts*, much less *graphics.*
Note my asterisks above - from many, many years of working with
"straight" email and USENET groups, where emphasis is provided by
*things like this* or _things like this_, etc.
When email was devised, text - the message - was important. There
weren't any easy ways to handle graphics. Hell, there was almost nothing
*creating* graphics! Attempts to extend it later ran into the problem
that nobody agreed with anybody else on how.
So mail has to be "crammed" into "7 Byte ASCII" (If you don't know what
that is, it really doesn't matter, just trust me.)
But as email has expanded - and gone from systems that were text-only
with local users to being worldwide communication where people expect
pretty pictures, various hacks and tricks have been used to cobble on
various add-ons. But they've got to, somehow, cram into 7-byte ASCII.
And then get uncrammed when it gets to where it's going. And possibly
by anybody in the middle (Scanning for spam, viruses, the like.)
Your computer has to convert it - and then it sends it to another
computer that takes it, and possibly converts it slightly differently.
(And then you get to the fun part that Microsoft did their own thing
(_again_) and uses some characters that nobody else does, but there's a
LOT of Microsoft systems out there doing that..... )
Anyway. So the safest thing to do is to turn off "Rich Text"/HTML.
Then everybody talks (mostly) the same without conversions back and forth.
Especially since I haven't seen any discussions using/requiring HTML.
http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html
teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what the "Always use Rich Text/HTML Editing" means?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Troup <david@troup.net>
> To: TeamGrumman-List Digest Server <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:24 am
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Formatting
>
>
>
>
> This is the first message I've gotten from you (via the list) that
> doesn't have weird formatting, Gary. So I'd say that you should leave
> the settings where they are now (at least from my perspective...
> hopefully the latest change hasn't messed things up for anyone else!)
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 1977 Cheetah for sale |
My bad. Engine time since overhaul is 638.
-----Original Message-----
From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 5:45 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1977 Cheetah for sale
<flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Good luck in today's market, especially with an engine that apparently
has
2332 hr TT and never been overhauled. Not to mention old nav/com
radios.
Cliff
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The one thing I noticed almost immediately once I turned off Rich Text
was that some emails, like Cliffs, get completely double spaced when I
replied to his. I deleted his message. Oh and it had > on every line.
This one only double spaces between paragraphs as you can see
(hopefully). Plus, the text is crowded into a narrower column.
I guess I expected too much from email.
-----Original Message-----
From: Addison Laurent <alaurent@westga.edu>
Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 7:45 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Formatting
<alaurent@westga.edu>
Let me essplain.. no, there ees too much. Let mea summa up:
Email wasn't built to handle *fonts*, much less *graphics.*
Note my asterisks above - from many, many years of working with
"straight" email and USENET groups, where emphasis is provided by
*things like this* or _things like this_, etc.
When email was devised, text - the message - was important. There
weren't any easy ways to handle graphics. Hell, there was almost
nothing
*creating* graphics! Attempts to extend it later ran into the problem
that nobody agreed with anybody else on how.
So mail has to be "crammed" into "7 Byte ASCII" (If you don't know what
that is, it really doesn't matter, just trust me.)
But as email has expanded - and gone
from systems that were text-only
with local users to being worldwide communication where people expect
pretty pictures, various hacks and tricks have been used to cobble on
various add-ons. But they've got to, somehow, cram into 7-byte ASCII.
And then get uncrammed when it gets to where it's going. And possibly
by anybody in the middle (Scanning for spam, viruses, the like.)
Your computer has to convert it - and then it sends it to another
computer that takes it, and possibly converts it slightly differently.
(And then you get to the fun part that Microsoft did their own thing
(_again_) and uses some characters that nobody else does, but there's a
LOT of Microsoft systems out there doing that..... )
Anyway. So the safest thing to do is to turn off "Rich Text"/HTML.
Then everybody talks (mostly) the same without conversions back and
forth.
Especially since I haven't seen any discussions using/requiring HTML.
http://www.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html
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| Subject: | another one (or two) |
What is:
Western (ISO-8859-1) ?
or
Western (ISO-8859-15) ?
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| Subject: | another formatting question |
what is: Unicode (UTF-8) ?
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| Subject: | Re: another one (or two) |
teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
>
> What is:
>
> Western (ISO-8859-1) ?
> or
> Western (ISO-8859-15) ?
>
They're different character sets/fonts.
Linn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: another one (or two) |
I *said* to trust me.... But here's the best primer I've seen:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/printerFriendly/articles/Unicode.html
teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
>
> What is:
>
> Western (ISO-8859-1) ?
> or
> Western (ISO-8859-15) ?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: another one (or two) |
is one more preferred over the other?
-----Original Message-----
From: linn <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:11 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: another one (or two)
teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
What is:
Western (ISO-8859-1) ?
or
Western (ISO-8859-15) ?
They're different character sets/fonts.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: another one (or two) |
I read it. I'll try Unicode for a while and see what that does. It
looks like the big culprit was the Rich Text.
PS, this page came all double spaced too.
-----Original Message-----
From: Addison Laurent <alaurent@westga.edu>
Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:25 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: another one (or two)
<alaurent@westga.edu>
I *said* to trust me.... But here's the best primer I've seen:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/printerFriendly/articles/Unicode.html
teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
>
> What is:
>
> Western (ISO-8859-1) ?
> or
> Western (ISO-8859-15) ?
>
>
>
>
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