---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/17/09: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:15 AM - Re: Red Deer IFR charts (David Feinstein) 2. 11:26 PM - Weight and Balance (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:50 AM PST US From: "David Feinstein" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Red Deer IFR charts http://newlangsyne.com/yqf/ After correspondence with Dan Schmitz, IFR LO charts from Sault to Vancouver to Edmonton (2 charts) are here too. Scroll about 2/3 down. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:20 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Weight and Balance From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM I mentioned I found a few discrepancies in the moments used in the W&B sheet from the factory. Those with AG5Bs, the engine weight is the same as the AA5B although the alternator, included in the weight, is 2 lbs heavier. Obviously, actual values were not determined. The nose strut shock assembly got a pound lighter but the nose wheel assembly got 1.3 pounds heavier. Paint is 14 pounds heavier. Pitot is heavier. No change in the wheel fairings even though the AG5B has fiberglass wheel pants and the AA5B has plastic ones. Headliner weight in the AG5B is the same as the weight used in the original AA5 Traveler even though the AA5 headliner is just cloth strung on aluminum tubes; The AG5B has an inch of foam glued in place under the fabric. The Cargo CG is the parting line between the top of the seat back and the back of the seat bottom when the seats are laying down in the cargo configuration. I could buy that. The Baggage CG is the geometric center of the baggage area. The assumption being equal loading about the centers. Regarding the front seat arm, I measured it today. It appears the arm for the front seat pilot and copilot is for the most forward location of the seat. In the aft location, the arm is 7 inches further back. Sitting there, it looked to me like the center of the seat pan was used (by the factory) for the seat CG. Just trying to visualize the center of mass, I would have moved the CG back an inch or so. Word of caution: If your loading is near the aft CG using the sample loading in the W&B, moving the seat to the middle of it's travel will make the CG go past the aft CG limit. The coat hook is at 158 inches ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.