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| Subject: | Re: AYA Convention Date Restrictions - Straw Poll Results |
Costa Rica is #36.
Here is something you might not know. ?Unless you can afford your own personal
physician, you CANNOT buy better health care once you are eligible for Medicare.
?After 65, you get maintenance care. ?In fact, the doctors cannot even recommend
a life saving operation if it is not covered by Medicare. ?Even if you have
insurance, any insurance, you cannot get better healthcare once you qualify
for Medicare. ?Your only solution is to go to Thailand, Hong Kong, etc. ?
Here is an example: a friend of mine, one of my customers, is a doctor in the Bay
Area. ?He is part of a medical group. ?Their only concern is making money.
?Most of their post op problems are due to infections. ?This is not uncommon.
?Do some research. ?WHY? ?Because they need to keep costs down so the corporation
they formed needs to keep a good bottom line. ?The doctors and hospitals only
care about profit. ?Think Wall Street. ?
One particular patient was a 64 year old man who needed a hip replacement. ?My
friend told me that there are 3 different qualities of hips to use. ?The best
one is good for 25 years. ?However, because of his age, the insurance companies
will only provide payment for one that is good for 10 to 15 years. ?The better
one isn't even an option. ?The patient doesn't even know there is a better
one because the doctors cannot reveal that. ?
AND. ?Medicare is different in different states. ?
Ned's web page sites the quality of medical care available. ?I won't argue that
some of the best medical research in the world is in the U.S. ?However, that
does not translate into better health care. ?Life expectancy, in the U.S., ranks
45th in the world. ?That is worse than Bosnia (44). ?Infant mortality is 33.
That is worse than Cuba (28). ?Even if you can afford world class healthcare,
you can't get it. ?
The problem is insurance companies. ?I worked out a deal with my doctors to pay
cash. ?They love it. ?They don't have any paperwork to do and they pocket the
profits. ?My GP in Lancaster told me he spends, on the entire insurance process,
up to 50% of his profits. ?He is the owner of his medical group.
France 1?
Italy?2?
San Marino 3?
Andorra 4?
Malta 5?
Singapore 6?
Spain 7?
Oman 8?
Austria 9?
Japan 10?
Norway 11?
Portugal 12?
Monaco 13?
Greece 14?
Iceland 15?
Luxemburg 16?
Netherlands 17
United Kingdom?18?
Ireland 19?
Switzerland 20
Belgium 21
Colombia 22
Sweden 23
Cyprus 24
Germany 25
Saudi Arabia 26
United Arab Emirates 27
Israel 28
Morocco 29
Canada 30
Finland 31
Australia 32
Chile 33
Denmark 34
Dominica 35
?Costa Rica 36
United States 37
Slovenia 38
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From: FCoon77901@AOL.COM
Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AYA Convention Date Restrictions - Straw Poll Results
I don.t want change.?? Please tell us the 36 countries offering
better health care...
?
Fred Coon
Cancer survivor
Former N9881U owner
?
In a message dated 8/4/2009 12:53:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
teamgrumman@aol.com writes:
Hi Mike,
Thanks, seriously, for all your efforts. ?Don't expect anything to
change. ?Even with 60% in favor of change, hell 80%, don't expect
anything to change. ?
A National healthcare system, for example, was first proposed in 1948.
?At that time, the U.S. ranked 16th in healthcare in the world. ?At
that time, healthcare costs were 1% of the average income. ?A national
healthcare system been pushed ahead with roughly 60% to 75% approval for 61
years. ?Today, the U.S. ranks 37th in healthcare and costs 25% of the
average income. ?There are?still?those who are screaming it's
going ahead to quickly. ?
A quick note on the subject: ?I taught Algebra at the Antelope
Valley Community College in Lancaster. ?I taught 4 nights a week, 2 hours
a night. ?I was paid $60/hour. ?After taxes, my take home a month
was roughly $1000. ?In 2004, I got an invite in the college mail to join
the College Health Care System. ?For $980/month, I could get full
coverage, hospital stays, low deductible, etc. ?
I recently tried getting health insurance through AARP. ?For
$300/month I can pay for someone to negotiate with doctors and hospitals.
?
I have full benefits from the VA. ?
I don't know how people afford health insurance. ?If they have any
health issues at all, or history thereof, you can kiss the insurance good bye.
?
OK, I'm getting off my soap box . . . . . . . .?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Boyd
<mwboyd@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:29 am
Subject:
TeamGrumman-List: AYA Convention Date Restrictions - Straw Poll
Results
Hello Everyone,
The Straw Poll should now be closed.? You can review the results of
the poll here:
??? http://ayaforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=185
A total of 56 votes were cast on the forum, with 49 in favor of
changing or removing the date restriction and 7 against a change.? In
addition, I received 4 e-mails from folks that just could not get the
poll to work for them (we'll call these provisional votes) and they
were of a similar percentage with 3 in favor of a change and 1 against
a change.
When including the provisional votes, a total of 60 votes were cast.
While this does not sound like a lot when compared to our total
membership of 1230 (as reported in the July Star), the roughly 5% is
apparently a little larger participation than we had in the most
recent election.? In my periodic checking of the poll numbers while it
was running, I noted that the trend of those in favor to those against
a change remained fairly constant from the time when the first 10
votes were cast with 80% or greater being in favor of a change.
In an effort to give all AYA members a chance to vote, notice of this
poll was sent to the Grumman Gang mailing list, the TeamGruman mailing
list, and a copy of the notice was sent to each of the regional
directors so they could forward it on to their members (just as this
e-mail is).? I did receive responses from people on the Grumman Gang,
on the TeamGrumman list and from several of the regional directors so,
for a poll, I think it achieved a reasonable distribution.
So, what does all this mean.? My goal here was to see if there was
enough real interest to continue pursuing a change to the AYA
constitution and I think there is.? So, my next step is to check and
see if there are any potential legal issues with removing the date
restriction from our constitution and check on any other legalities
related to proposing an amendment to the board.? I'll then draft an
amendment and provide it for review/comment on the AYA forum topic
above or via another appropriate means.? Once we are reasonably happy
with the results, I'll submit it to the secretary as outlined in our
constitution.? Your role in this will be to contact your AYA
representatives once we have a final draft and provide them with your
thoughts on the subject.? While the poll should be a good indication
to the board of the thoughts of the membership, it is best for them to
hear directly from you when the time comes.? Once the amendment is
submitted, according to the AYA constitution the board must vote on it
and if 60% or more agree, then the amendment is voted on by the
membership.
And what this does not mean.? It is ultimately still up to the members
who volunteer, make convention proposals to the board, and chair a
convention to come up with proposed dates for a specific convention.
All this amendment should do is loosen the restriction on the possible
choices for those dates.
And now, I'm off to check into those issues mentioned above.? I will
let you know what I find and when drafts are available.? And if anyone
wants to help out with any of this, please let me know.
Cheers,
-Mike
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Michael Boyd
'76 AA5A
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Hi:
I am concerned, my friends.? And bothered.
I am here on this list to share in the?knowledge?of Grumman flying ...
and the general fellowship of folks?who sometimes escape the teneous grasp of gravity
.. and reality :).
Recently, I have read racial slurs, political attacks and had to endure the to-and-fro
of things other than flying and Grummans.
Is it possible to keep this to things Grumman and flying ?related?
We should communicate about things that bring us together and make us stronger
..
not?inject or indulge in ?what easily divide us ....
There is enough ugliness in the earthly realm ...
Let us be true flyers ..
and not get sucked into the muck and mire of?the daily ugliness,
but ?rise above the mortal coil ... and traverse in the skies ...
As only those gifted mortals who pilot all things Grumman know so well.
In community and concern,
Frank Sundram
N200FW Tiger
Davenport, IA
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