---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/17/09: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:20 AM - Re: Cowling update (James Courtney) 2. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/13/09 (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 3. 08:44 AM - Re: Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 4. 09:36 AM - Metal-to-Metal bonding (teamgrumman@aol.com) 5. 12:42 PM - Re: Metal-to-Metal bonding (Gil Alexander) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:54 AM PST US From: "James Courtney" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Admittedly no, I'm loving the A36 but the Tiger was a lot of fun and a great plane. I did see a very sad looking Cheetah at Barber Aviation in Madera where they work on my Bonanza (had to comply with the ridiculous circuit breaker AD last week). They were chasing some starter issues with the top cowl off the cheetah. I can't remember seeing a sadder set of baffles. Amazing what some owners will just overlook. Barber is a good shop but Bonanza's are more their specialty and I doubt they'll push the Cheetah owner to clean that stuff up as it should be. Too bad. Best, Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Thanks Jamey, kinda makes you wish you kept your Tiger doesn't it. Just kidding -----Original Message----- From: G Vogt Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:48 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Just think, I get to do more dive tests for the new wheel pants. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:39 AM, "James Courtney" wrote: > > > That's fantastic Gary, congratulations. The FAA shouldn't make it > that > hard. > > Best, > > Jamey > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of G > Vogt > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:22 PM > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update > > > The STC was signed off today. > > It only took 9 years and $135,000 from concept to signature. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 13, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: > > >> >> >> No suggestions .... looks really good. Can't get much simpler than >> that change!!! >> Linn >> >> Mike Boyd wrote: >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> Sorry for taking a little time to get this posted, but life got >>> kinda >>> busy for me the last couple weeks. In any case, I've posted a first >>> draft of the proposal. It is a rather simple change that removes >>> the >>> date window restriction from the original text. I've added it as a >>> reply to the original poll posted on the ayaforum site. >>> >>> http://ayaforum.org/viewtopic.php?p=758 >>> >>> Feel free to take a look, post comments or suggestions. I'd like to >>> get this wrapped up so we can get it submitted to the AYA Secretary >>> reasonably soon, so post replies to the forum topic or shoot me an >>> e-mail with suggestions. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Mike >>> ------ >>> Michael Boyd >>> '76 AA5A >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06:10:00 > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:09:00 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/13/09 From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM OK, I elect you to decide when the convention will bee. ?April is just perfect for me. ? ? I went to West Palm for a conference at Pratt & Whitney in July and thought I'd never get cool enough. -----Original Message----- From: allenc3@bellsouth.net Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2009 11:01 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/13/09 You are right about that. I live about 60 miles south of St. Simons, and I can tell you that if the convention would have been this year, maybe ten people would have made it. We have had nothing but rain and heat since early July this year averaging about 95 degrees and 90% humidity daily. Now the hurricanes are starting to bloom. ? My idea was to have the St. Simons convention in mid April, a day or two after Sun n Fun then you could make?both events.?The weather here in April is almost perfect. ? Claude ? From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: TeamGrumman-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 08/13/09 Hi Mike, The only reason I asked about moving the SSI Convention earlier is: This weekend I met a couple from South Carolina. ?They both have family in Georgia. ?I told them about the SSI Convention and at first they were enthusiastic. Then I said, "It's usually in the middle of July." ?The both said, "Are you nuts? ?July is the worst time to be there. ?Between the heat and the humidity, it won't be much fun." I did a quick check on the average temps and late May looks good. ?It even works even for those waiting for the summer off. ? Gary href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Send him up here. =C2-I need the work. -----Original Message----- From: James Courtney Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 12:13 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Admittedly no, I=99m loving the A36 but the Tiger was a lot of fun and a great plane.=C2- I did see a very sad looking Cheetah at Ba rber Aviation in Madera where they work on my Bonanza (had to comply with the ridiculous circuit breaker AD last week).=C2- They were chasing some starter issues with the top cowl off the cheetah.=C2- I can=99t remember seeing a sadd er set of baffles.=C2- Amazing what some owners will just overlook.=C2- Barbe r is a good shop but Bonanza=99s are more their specialty and I doubt the y=99ll push the Cheetah owner to clean that stuff up as it should be.=C2- Too bad =C2- Best, =C2- Jamey =C2- =C2- From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of teamgrum man@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update =C2- Thanks Jamey, kinda makes you wish you kept your Tiger doesn't it. =C2-Just kidding -----Original Message----- From: G Vogt Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:48 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List : Cowling update --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: G Vogt =C2- =C2- Just think, I get to do more dive tests for the new wheel pants.=C2- =C2- Sent from my iPhone=C2- =C2- On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:39 AM, "James Courtney" wrote:=C2- =C2- rtney.net> >=C2- >=C2- > That's fantastic Gary, congratulations. The FAA shouldn't make it > that=C2- > hard.=C2- >=C2- > Best,=C2- >=C2- > Jamey=C2- >=C2- >=C2- > -----Original Message-----=C2- > From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com=C2- > [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G > Vogt=C2- > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:22 PM=C2- > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=C2- > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update=C2- >=C2- - >=C2- > The STC was signed off today.=C2- >=C2- > It only took 9 years and $135,000 from concept to signature.=C2- >=C2- > Sent from my iPhone=C2- >=C2- > On Aug 13, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Linn Walters =C2 - > wrote:=C2- >=C2- > >>=C2- >>=C2- >> No suggestions .... looks really good. Can't get much simpler than=C2- >> that change!!!=C2- >> Linn=C2- >>=C2- >> Mike Boyd wrote:=C2- >>> --> TeamG rumman-List message posted by: Mike Boyd =C2- >>>=C2- >>> Hello Everyone,=C2- >>>=C2- >>> Sorry for taking a little time to get this posted, but life got >>> kinda=C2- >>> busy for me the last couple weeks. In any case, I've posted a first=C2- >>> draft of the proposal. It is a rather simple change that removes >>> the=C2- >>> date window restriction from the original text. I've added it as a=C2- >>> reply to the original poll posted on the ayaforum site.=C2- >>>=C2- >>> http://ayaforum.org/viewtopic.php?p=758=C2- >>>=C2- >>> Feel free to take a look, post comments or suggestions. I'd like to=C2- >>> get this wrapped up so we can get it submitted to the AYA Secretary=C2- >>> reasonably soon, so post replies to the forum topic or shoot me an=C2- >>> e-mail with suggestions.=C2- >>>=C2- >>> Cheers,=C2- >>> -Mike=C2- >>> ------=C2- >>> Michael Boyd=C2- >>> '76 AA5A=C2- >>>=C2- >>>=C2- >>>=C2- >>>=C2- >>>=C2- >>>=C2- >>=C2- >>=C2- >>=C2- >>=C2- >>=C2- >=C2- >=C2- >=C2- >=C2- > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=C2- > 06:10:00=C2- >=C2- >=C2- >=C2- >=C2- >=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/16/09 06:09:00 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:37 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Metal-to-Metal bonding From: teamgrumman@aol.com Bob, I watched elsewhere and seen your input on various bonding agents. ?What do you know about Hysol 9330? ?I've got approval to do a horizontal repair with it. ?I also have designed new vertical braces which are larger and designed more like the bulkhead just forward of the Horizontal. ?The horizontal brace (against the bottom of the fuselage) is designed more like a bridge truss. ?Based on calcs, the braces are designed to fail after the bonded joint fails, about 6000 psi. ? It'll be interesting to see when it's done. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:05 PM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Metal-to-Metal bonding Gary, I got DER approval (from a Fletchair recommended guy) for Hysol 1 C for a horizontal spar repair. http://www.tedpella.com/technote_html/891-60%20TN.pdf It's shear strength is much less than the 6000 psi you mention - nearer 1500 psi. Is the 6000 lbs. the total force? Has the area of the joint been taken into account? gil A At 09:33 AM 8/17/2009, you wrote: >Bob, I watched elsewhere and seen your input on various bonding >agents. What do you know about Hysol 9330? I've got approval to do >a horizontal repair with it. I also have designed new vertical >braces which are larger and designed more like the bulkhead just >forward of the Horizontal. The horizontal brace (against the bottom >of the fuselage) is designed more like a bridge truss. Based on >calcs, the braces are designed to fail after the bonded joint fails, >about 6000 psi. It'll be interesting to see when it's done. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.