---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/20/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:13 AM - Float doesn't (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 2. 10:23 AM - Re: Float doesn't (jetinc@comcast.net) 3. 10:46 AM - Re: Float doesn't (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 4. 10:49 AM - Re: Float doesn't (jetinc@comcast.net) 5. 11:05 AM - Re: Float doesn't (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 6. 11:17 AM - Re: Float doesn't (jetinc@comcast.net) 7. 02:38 PM - Re: Float doesn't (flyv35b) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:05 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM I had a customer called several weeks ago saying his engine felt 'weird' on a landing, kind of like it wanted to stall. ?As he rolled out onto the taxiway, the engine felt normal. ?We made an appointment to check it out, and left it at that. ?The next few flights were about the same. ?He didn't worry much about the engine. ? A couple of weeks ago (oh, he never did come down to have it checked out) he called saying it was worse. ? Note: ?He has a Cheetah. ?Several years ago I had a customer with the same symptoms with his Cheetah and it was the mixture needle working it's way out. ? I had him check the mixture screw and turn it in a 1/4 turn and said to bring it in. ?He planned to bring it in but never did. ?The engine 'felt' better. ? Last week, he called saying it was getting a lot worse. ?He said it barely ran at idle. ?He finally brought it in last Friday. ? I looked for all of the basic stuff, leaks at the intake tubes, mixture screw, looked for leaks on the carb . . . . nothing. ?We removed the cowling and airbox. ?Several years ago, the accelerator nozzle in the carb on my Cheetah had fallen out and was lying in the bottom of the airbox. ?I expected to find something like that. ?Nothing. ?Venturi was tight,?accelerator nozzle was tight . . . ?nothing. ?I removed the carb. I expected to find debris in the bottom of the carb. ?Nothing. ?Then I noticed one of the semi-transparent floats was full, I mean full, of fuel. ?These are the white floats. ?They should have been changed. ?Except that, the carb had been overhauled in 2005. ?All new parts. ? Carb goes to Ken, at Lycon, in the morning. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:52 AM PST US From: jetinc@comcast.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Gary, Wish I was still flying and you were working on my plane. Your knowledge of these planes saves owners a ton of money. Way to go Gear Head! Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58:41 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I had a customer called several weeks ago saying his engine felt 'weird' on a landing, kind of like it wanted to stall. As he rolled out onto the taxiway, the engine felt normal. We made an appointment to check it out, and left it at that. The next few flights were about the same. He didn't worry much about the engine. A couple of weeks ago (oh, he never did come down to have it checked out) he called saying it was worse. Note: He has a Cheetah. Several years ago I had a customer with the same symptoms with his Cheetah and it was the mixture needle working it's way out. I had him check the mixture screw and turn it in a 1/4 turn and said to bring it in. He planned to bring it in but never did. The engine 'felt' better. Last week, he called saying it was getting a lot worse. He said it barely ran at idle. He finally brought it in last Friday. I looked for all of the basic stuff, leaks at the intake tubes, mixture screw, looked for leaks on the carb . . . . nothing. We removed the cowling and airbox. Several years ago, the accelerator nozzle in the carb on my Cheetah had fallen out and was lying in the bottom of the airbox. I expected to find something like that. Nothing. Venturi was tight, accelerator nozzle was tight . . . nothing. I removed the carb. I expected to find debris in the bottom of the carb. Nothing. Then I noticed one of the semi-transparent floats was full, I mean full, of fuel. These are the white floats. They should have been changed. Except that, the carb had been overhauled in 2005. All new parts. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Hey Eddie, I know of a couple of project planes. ?What a project? -----Original Message----- From: jetinc@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:19 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Gary, Wish I was still flying and you were working on my plane. ?Your knowledge of these planes saves owners a ton of money. ?Way to go Gear Head! Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58:41 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I had a customer called several weeks ago saying his engine felt 'weird' on a landing, kind of like it wanted to stall. ?As he rolled out onto the taxiway, the engine felt normal. ?We made an appointment to check it out, and left it at that. ?The next few flights were about the same. ?He didn't worry much about the engine. ? A couple of weeks ago (oh, he never did come down to have it checked out) he called saying it was worse. ? Note: ?He has a Cheetah. ?Several years ago I had a customer with the same symptoms with his Cheetah and it was the mixture needle working it's way out. ? I had him check the mixture screw and turn it in a 1/4 turn and said to bring it in. ?He planned to bring it in but never did. ?The engine 'felt' better. ? Last week, he called saying it was getting a lot worse. ?He said it barely ran at idle. ?He finally brought it in last Friday. ? I looked for all of the basic stuff, leaks at the intake tubes, mixture screw, looked for leaks on the carb . . . . nothing. ?We removed the cowling and airbox. ?Several years ago, the accelerator nozzle in the carb on my Cheetah had fallen out and was lying in the bottom of the airbox. ?I expected to find something like that. ?Nothing. ?Venturi was tight,?accelerator nozzle was tight . . . ?nothing. ?I removed the carb. I expected to find debris in the bottom of the carb. ?Nothing. ?Then I noticed one of the semi-transparent floats was full, I mean full, of fuel. ?These are the white floats. ?They should have been changed. ?Except that, the carb had been overhauled in 2005. ?All new parts. ? Carb goes to Ken, at Lycon, in the morning. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:36 AM PST US From: jetinc@comcast.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I think I need another project like I need another Kid! Can't wait to come up and see you... Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:38:31 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Hey Eddie, I know of a couple of project planes. What a project? -----Original Message----- From: jetinc@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:19 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Gary, Wish I was still flying and you were working on my plane. Your knowledge of these planes saves owners a ton of money. Way to go Gear Head! Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58:41 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I had a customer called several weeks ago saying his engine felt 'weird' on a landing, kind of like it wanted to stall. As he rolled out onto the taxiway, the engine felt normal. We made an appointment to check it out, and left it at that. The next few flights were about the same. He didn't worry much about the engine. A couple of weeks ago (oh, he never did come down to have it checked out) he called saying it was worse. Note: He has a Cheetah. Several years ago I had a customer with the same symptoms with his Cheetah and it was the mixture needle working it's way out. I had him check the mixture screw and turn it in a 1/4 turn and said to bring it in. He planned to bring it in but never did. The engine 'felt' better. Last week, he called saying it was getting a lot worse. He said it barely ran at idle. He finally brought it in last Friday. I looked for all of the basic stuff, leaks at the intake tubes, mixture screw, looked for leaks on the carb . . . . nothing. We removed the cowling and airbox. Several years ago, the accelerator nozzle in the carb on my Cheetah had fallen out and was lying in the bottom of the airbox. I expected to find something like that. Nothing. Venturi was tight, accelerator nozzle was tight . . . nothing. I removed the carb. I expected to find debris in the bottom of the carb. Nothing. Then I noticed one of the semi-transparent floats was full, I mean full, of fuel. These are the white floats. They should have been changed. Except that, the carb had been overhauled in 2005. All new parts. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Come on up and help with the remodeling of my Condo. -----Original Message----- From: jetinc@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:49 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I think I need another project like I need another Kid! ?Can't wait to come up and see you... Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:38:31 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Hey Eddie, I know of a couple of project planes. ?What a project? -----Original Message----- From: jetinc@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:19 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Gary, Wish I was still flying and you were working on my plane. ?Your knowledge of these planes saves owners a ton of money. ?Way to go Gear Head! Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58:41 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I had a customer called several weeks ago saying his engine felt 'weird' on a landing, kind of like it wanted to stall. ?As he rolled out onto the taxiway, the engine felt normal. ?We made an appointment to check it out, and left it at that. ?The next few flights were about the same. ?He didn't worry much about the engine. ? A couple of weeks ago (oh, he never did come down to have it checked out) he called saying it was worse. ? Note: ?He has a Cheetah. ?Several years ago I had a customer with the same symptoms with his Cheetah and it was the mixture needle working it's way out. ? I had him check the mixture screw and turn it in a 1/4 turn and said to bring it in. ?He planned to bring it in but never did. ?The engine 'felt' better. ? Last week, he called saying it was getting a lot worse. ?He said it barely ran at idle. ?He finally brought it in last Friday. ? I looked for all of the basic stuff, leaks at the intake tubes, mixture screw, looked for leaks on the carb . . . . nothing. ?We removed the cowling and airbox. ?Several years ago, the accelerator nozzle in the carb on my Cheetah had fallen out and was lying in the bottom of the airbox. ?I expected to find something like that. ?Nothing. ?Venturi was tight,?accelerator nozzle was tight . . . ?nothing. ?I removed the carb. I expected to find debris in the bottom of the carb. ?Nothing. ?Then I noticed one of the semi-transparent floats was full, I mean full, of fuel. ?These are the white floats. ?They should have been changed. ?Except that, the carb had been overhauled in 2005. ?All new parts. ? Carb goes to Ken, at Lycon, in the morning. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:03 AM PST US From: jetinc@comcast.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't roger, wilco! ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 11:03:04 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Come on up and help with the remodeling of my Condo. -----Original Message----- From: jetinc@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:49 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I think I need another project like I need another Kid! Can't wait to come up and see you... Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:38:31 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Hey Eddie, I know of a couple of project planes. What a project? -----Original Message----- From: jetinc@comcast.net Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 10:19 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Gary, Wish I was still flying and you were working on my plane. Your knowledge of these planes saves owners a ton of money. Way to go Gear Head! Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58:41 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I had a customer called several weeks ago saying his engine felt 'weird' on a landing, kind of like it wanted to stall. As he rolled out onto the taxiway, the engine felt normal. We made an appointment to check it out, and left it at that. The next few flights were about the same. He didn't worry much about the engine. A couple of weeks ago (oh, he never did come down to have it checked out) he called saying it was worse. Note: He has a Cheetah. Several years ago I had a customer with the same symptoms with his Cheetah and it was the mixture needle working it's way out. I had him check the mixture screw and turn it in a 1/4 turn and said to bring it in. He planned to bring it in but never did. The engine 'felt' better. Last week, he called saying it was getting a lot worse. He said it barely ran at idle. He finally brought it in last Friday. I looked for all of the basic stuff, leaks at the intake tubes, mixture screw, looked for leaks on the carb . . . . nothing. We removed the cowling and airbox. Several years ago, the accelerator nozzle in the carb on my Cheetah had fallen out and was lying in the bottom of the airbox. I expected to find something like that. Nothing. Venturi was tight, accelerator nozzle was tight . . . nothing. I removed the carb. I expected to find debris in the bottom of the carb. Nothing. Then I noticed one of the semi-transparent floats was full, I mean full, of fuel. These are the white floats. They should have been changed. Except that, the carb had been overhauled in 2005. All new parts. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:01 PM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't Gary, after our phone conversation Friday about this, it doesn't surprise m e. The float was sinking, raising the fuel level and making it run very ri ch. Probably could have diagnosed it by leaning the mixture manually until it smoothed out and that would have told you it was to rich (20/20 hindsig ht, right=3F). Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 9:58 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Float doesn't I had a customer called several weeks ago saying his engine felt 'weird' on a landing, kind of like it wanted to stall. As he rolled out onto the t axiway, the engine felt normal. We made an appointment to check it out, an d left it at that. The next few flights were about the same. He didn't wo rry much about the engine. A couple of weeks ago (oh, he never did come down to have it checked out) he called saying it was worse. Note: He has a Cheetah. Several years ago I had a customer with the sam e symptoms with his Cheetah and it was the mixture needle working it's way out. I had him check the mixture screw and turn it in a 1/4 turn and said to b ring it in. He planned to bring it in but never did. The engine 'felt' be tter. Last week, he called saying it was getting a lot worse. He said it barel y ran at idle. He finally brought it in last Friday. I looked for all of the basic stuff, leaks at the intake tubes, mixture s crew, looked for leaks on the carb . . . . nothing. We removed the cowling and airbox. Several years ago, the accelerator nozzle in the carb on my C heetah had fallen out and was lying in the bottom of the airbox. I expecte d to find something like that. Nothing. Venturi was tight, accelerator no zzle was tight . . . nothing. I removed the carb. I expected to find debris in the bottom of the carb. Nothing. Then I no ticed one of the semi-transparent floats was full, I mean full, of fuel. T hese are the white floats. They should have been changed. Except that, th e carb had been overhauled in 2005. All new parts. 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