---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/11/09: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: (flyv35b) 2. 01:45 PM - Metal Overlay (Richard Mutzman) 3. 02:43 PM - Re: Metal Overlay (Steve Roberts) 4. 03:48 PM - Fw: 7 great iPhotos (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:46 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: What I meant to say was a retractable nose gear only. ----- Original Message ----- From: flyv35b To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Didn't the factory build a retractable gear Tiger. Anyone know how much that increased the speed. I doubt if you would gain 10 kts, but maybe. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: flyv35b@minetfiber.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: I have read that the surface preparation for the metal-to-metal bonding is the most critical part in making it hold. Since I was able to seal off the back and do the alodining the correct way, for $300, why not? The guys doing the alodining had a lot of buckets of various solutions, acids, washes, and stuff. The whole process only took about an hour. Is there a market for a tail dragger? Probably not. It isn't likely there are 10% of the Grumman community that have tail-wheel endorsements. I want a tail-dragger; if only to see how much faster it is. Is it worth it for a couple of knots? no. But, if I can squeeze 10 knots out of it, to me that's worth it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: flyv35b To: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 1:04 pm Subject: Re: Your new structure looks very impressive! Looks like a bridge compared to the original. You even formed a joggle at the bottom for a recess for the lower longeron angle, nice. Why is the alodine so critical that you have to submerge the area? I know you get a better coating that way but is it really necessary? Do you think there is a market for a taildragger Tiger? Most Tiger owners have never flown a taildragger and probably wouldn't want one. Would there be a whole new market, or just the ability to get rid of a significant amount of drag and make the plane faster? How long are you going to be working on this plane? Maybe I'll fly down and see you. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: flyv35b@minetfiber.com ; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com ; michael@michaellyman.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Gary, I don't understand all the photos you sent. The first two appear to show two thick bulkheads (honeycomb?). Are they temporary or permanent? The other photos show aluminum formed bulkheads that replace the original angles. They appear to be far stronger than the original. What's the difference between the two configurations? Cliff ------------------------------------- In order to get a MIL spec alodining on the inside of the fuselage, I needed to create a tank in the back for the alodinging process. Doing the parts themselves is easy. Getting the inside of the fuselage alodined correctly isn't. I also designed, and had approved, new braces. It doesn't make sense to replace the weak link with the same weak link. The new vertical braces have a 25% wider attaching surface (just in case the bond is weaker) and a return along the edge that I see bent in so many planes. The horizontal brace is built like a bridge truss. The intention here was to transfer the torsional loads from one side of the fuselage to the other. Share the load if you will. The area of contact between the horizontal and vertical braces is about 400% greater. See new pics. I talked to an engineer (who has done tail wheel conversions) about a tail wheel Tiger. If I do go ahead with a tail wheel (you heard it here first) I have considered bonding 1/8 inch honeycomb to the sides of that aft section to beef up the structure. The floor would get 1/4 inch. We'll see what is needed first. I have a spare fuselage to drop . . . . PS, that last pic is of the tail tie down repair. It used 0.030 aluminum riveted to the inside on a portion of skin only 0.025 thick. I'll need to repair that while I'm in there. Gary -----Original Message----- From: flyv35b To: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 6:42 am Subject: Re: Gary, I don't understand all the photos you sent. The first two appear to show two thick bulkheads (honeycomb?). Are they temporary or permanent? The other photos show aluminum formed bulkheads that replace the original angles. They appear to be far stronger than the original. What's the difference between the two configurations? Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: flyv35b@minetfiber.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:10 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfersion does not have this message. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:38 PM PST US From: Richard Mutzman Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Metal Overlay Gary=2C Are you still selling the metal panel overlays? Can you send some pics and a price? I'll need both the left side and the r ight. Also=2C I was wondering about the fiberglass eyebrow as well. I may have t o wait on that=2C but are you still selling them and can you send me a pric e. Thanks Richard Mutzman Dayton=2C OH (Home of AYA 2010) N399RM =0A _________________________________________________________________=0A Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:50 PM PST US From: Steve Roberts Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Metal Overlay Rich=2C I'm not sure if Gary has the overlays or not but he is still sellin g the fiberglass eyebrow. If you are doing the panel I'd recomend doing the eyebrow at the same time as you will have it all apart anyway and that wou ld be the time to do it. I'm very pleased with Gary's product. Steve Roberts AA1B - 641HY @ ILG AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot From: rcmutz@msn.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Metal Overlay Gary=2C Are you still selling the metal panel overlays? Can you send some pics and a price? I'll need both the left side and the r ight. Also=2C I was wondering about the fiberglass eyebrow as well. I may have t o wait on that=2C but are you still selling them and can you send me a pric e. Thanks Richard Mutzman Dayton=2C OH (Home of AYA 2010) N399RM Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:08 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Fwd: 7 great iPhotos From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Hi Richard The overlays are $120 plus $20 shipping. ? Are you familiar with the Kokaska overlays? ?These are essentially the same pieces. ?The difference is the openings for the gauges. ? If you want a set of overlays, Please send a check for $140 made payable to? Gary L Vogt 2945 Bell Road ?#150 Auburn, CA ?95603 ================== The Eyebrow is $300 plus $20 shipping.? It comes covered in black Mello-Hyde.? If you want one for your plane, please indicate the year and model Grumman you have and send a check for $320 made payable to? Gary L Vogt 2945 Bell Road ?#150 Auburn, CA ?95603 Along with your check, please include a shipping address. ?Allow 3 weeks for delivery.? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Keesaman Sent: Wed, Jan 21, 2009 9:18 pm Subject: 7 great iPhotos JBK_2002.JPG ? JBK_2004.JPG ? JBK_2016.JPG ? JBK_2017.JPG ? JBK_2018.JPG ? JBK_2019.JPG ? 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