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1. 12:43 PM - Crash of N5840L (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
2. 01:26 PM - Re: Crash of N5840L (923te)
3. 02:41 PM - Re: Crash of N5840L (Linn Walters)
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I have been asked if I know about this crash since it's in my neighborhood and
apparently?there is a lot of uninformed speculation about the events.
The owner/pilot was giving young eagle rides that day. ?This was his 6th flight.
?Onboard at the time of the incident were two 14 yr old girls and a 14 or 15
yr old boy. ?
I talked to the owner/pilot about the incident and was told none of the kids were
ever afraid or screaming during the ensuing crash. ?
The crash, if you call it that, followed what was a normal run up and take-off
roll. ?At about mid-field, a helicopter took off on the adjacent taxiway. ?At
that time, N5840L was at about 20 to 30 feet in the air and began losing altitude.
?It is speculated that the downwash from the helicopter blades effected the
lift on the plane. ?N5840L was also blown away from the centerline (and helicopter)
and toward a hill on the east end of the airport. ?The pilot kept the
plane in ground effect as long as he could. ?He then decided to get the plane
down as it wasn't gaining enough altitude to clear the hill. ?The plane hit tail
first and he dragged the tail in a nose high attitude in an effort to get
rid of any energy. ?The plane finally came to a stop at the base of the hill.
?The plane stopped when the nose gear folded under the plane. ?The pilot and the
kids got out OK. ?
The boy wants the propeller to mount on his wall in his bedroom. ? The girls went
on the next young eagles flight. ?It was no big deal.
The pilot performed a normal emergency shutdown, turning the fuel and master off
prior to exiting the plane, contrary to the information promulgated ?on the
'other' site. ?
The plane was totaled. ?Looking at it, it looks like it had had a new front end
grafted on it sometime in the past. ?The wings are still in good shape if you're
looking for standard range tanks.
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| Subject: | Re: Crash of N5840L |
Gary,
Thanks for sharing your post on this.
I had an experience with changing winds in 2002 on my way to the Cody
AYA Convention. I landed short of Cody because of approaching
thunderstorms. During my approach, downwind and base, winds were as
broadcast by ATIS. However, upon flairing an abrupt change in wind
direction and velocity was encountered. Ground speed increased while
airspeed decayed and the runway was rapidly moving to the left. I found
the ground rapidly approaching and chose to force the Tiger onto the
runway before leaving it to the right. A porpoise ensued which led to a
minor propstrike that night. I did not think it could be powered out of
at the time. Normally, I would have gone around however, the wind was so
strong and turbulent that I was glad I got safely on the ground.
All this to say that I can empathise with what the pilot encountered and
can confirm that this "wind shear" or whatever one would call it does
occur and when encountered gives a feeling of hopelessness as to beating
it. Things happen very fast.
I think the pilot made good decisions and did a very good job defeating
the wind and surviving what could have been a catastrophy.
Regards,
ned
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| Subject: | Re: Crash of N5840L |
teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
> I have been asked if I know about this crash since it's in my
> neighborhood and apparently there is a lot of uninformed speculation
> about the events.
>
> The owner/pilot was giving young eagle rides that day. This was his 6th
> flight. Onboard at the time of the incident were two 14 yr old girls
> and a 14 or 15 yr old boy.
>
> I talked to the owner/pilot about the incident and was told none of the
> kids were ever afraid or screaming during the ensuing crash.
>
> The crash, if you call it that, followed what was a normal run up and
> take-off roll. At about mid-field, a helicopter took off on the
> adjacent taxiway.
Here's a neat video of 'copter downwash!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7iul2vENIA
Linn
At that time, N5840L was at about 20 to 30 feet in
> the air and began losing altitude. It is speculated that the downwash
> from the helicopter blades effected the lift on the plane. N5840L was
> also blown away from the centerline (and helicopter) and toward a hill
> on the east end of the airport. The pilot kept the plane in ground
> effect as long as he could. He then decided to get the plane down as it
> wasn't gaining enough altitude to clear the hill. The plane hit tail
> first and he dragged the tail in a nose high attitude in an effort to
> get rid of any energy. The plane finally came to a stop at the base of
> the hill. The plane stopped when the nose gear folded under the plane.
> The pilot and the kids got out OK.
>
> The boy wants the propeller to mount on his wall in his bedroom. The
> girls went on the next young eagles flight. It was no big deal.
>
> The pilot performed a normal emergency shutdown, turning the fuel and
> master off prior to exiting the plane, contrary to the information
> promulgated on the 'other' site.
>
> The plane was totaled. Looking at it, it looks like it had had a new
> front end grafted on it sometime in the past. The wings are still in
> good shape if you're looking for standard range tanks.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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