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1. 03:47 PM - why we need ATC (David Feinstein)
2. 03:52 PM - why we need ATC (David Feinstein)
3. 05:27 PM - Re: why we need ATC (Linn Walters)
4. 06:20 PM - Re: why we need ATC (Don Curry)
Message 1
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Rant mode ON.
Here are three hourly reports from the Home Drome this morning.
KBDR 191552Z 02013G20KT 10SM BKN055 BKN070 M05/M20 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098 T10501200
KBDR 191452Z 04012KT 10SM OVC060 M05/M22 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP119 T10501217 58007
KBDR 191352Z 03010KT 10SM BKN080 M04/M22 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP125 T10441217
My student and I started our taxi about 1500Z (middle report). Ground
controller wanted to know our intentions.
"Closed traffic."
"Unable closed traffic due to limited visibility and haze."
Once back inside, I called the tower and asked the guy what his visibility
criterion was for pattern work, because I didn't want to waste my students'
time if he wouldn't let us practice. He said that the tower visibility was
poor to the southwest and he was having trouble spotting airplanes. I looked
off in that direction and noticed the Northport stacks, 20 miles away.
They walk among us. And we pay them.
Somebody on the Mooney list recently compared controllers who can't work
without radar to pilots who can't live without GPS. I have to disagree a
little bit. The GPS-crippled pilot can at least take off and land.
Bridgeport, Connecticut. Where safety is assured by keeping pilots on the
ground or outside the ATA. Kind of severe, but it works.
Message 2
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Rant mode ON.
Here are three hourly reports from the Home Drome this morning.
KBDR 191552Z 02013G20KT 10SM BKN055 BKN070 M05/M20 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098 T10501200
KBDR 191452Z 04012KT 10SM OVC060 M05/M22 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP119 T10501217 58007
KBDR 191352Z 03010KT 10SM BKN080 M04/M22 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP125 T10441217
My student and I started our taxi about 1500Z (middle report). Ground
controller wanted to know our intentions.
"Closed traffic."
"Unable closed traffic due to limited visibility and haze."
Once back inside, I called the tower and asked the guy what his visibility
criterion was for pattern work, because I didn't want to waste my students'
time if he wouldn't let us practice. He said that the tower visibility was
poor to the southwest and he was having trouble spotting airplanes. I looked
off in that direction and noticed the Northport stacks, 20 miles away.
They walk among us. And we pay them.
Somebody on the Mooney list recently compared controllers who can't work
without radar to pilots who can't live without GPS. I have to disagree a
little bit. The GPS-crippled pilot can at least take off and land.
Bridgeport, Connecticut. Where safety is assured by keeping pilots on the
ground or outside the ATA. Kind of severe, but it works.
Message 3
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| Subject: | Re: why we need ATC |
Why don't you carry this email with you and talk to the tower chief
directly. I don't fly into my local towered airport much anymore, but
when I did I knew the tower chief on a first-name basis.
Linn
David Feinstein wrote:
>
> Rant mode ON.
>
> Here are three hourly reports from the Home Drome this morning.
>
> KBDR 191552Z 02013G20KT 10SM BKN055 BKN070 M05/M20 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098 T10501200
> KBDR 191452Z 04012KT 10SM OVC060 M05/M22 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP119 T10501217 58007
> KBDR 191352Z 03010KT 10SM BKN080 M04/M22 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP125 T10441217
>
> My student and I started our taxi about 1500Z (middle report). Ground
> controller wanted to know our intentions.
>
> "Closed traffic."
>
> "Unable closed traffic due to limited visibility and haze."
>
> Once back inside, I called the tower and asked the guy what his visibility
> criterion was for pattern work, because I didn't want to waste my students'
> time if he wouldn't let us practice. He said that the tower visibility was
> poor to the southwest and he was having trouble spotting airplanes. I looked
> off in that direction and noticed the Northport stacks, 20 miles away.
>
> They walk among us. And we pay them.
>
> Somebody on the Mooney list recently compared controllers who can't work
> without radar to pilots who can't live without GPS. I have to disagree a
> little bit. The GPS-crippled pilot can at least take off and land.
>
> Bridgeport, Connecticut. Where safety is assured by keeping pilots on the
> ground or outside the ATA. Kind of severe, but it works.
>
>
>
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There are several tings you can do if you believe you received less-than-satisfactory
service from ATC. First, I believe BDR is a contract-tower location and
Midwest ATC Services has the contract. So the first thing you can do is call
Midwest at 913-782-7082 and explain your experience. You can also file a complaint
on the FAA Hotline (866-835-5322). If you want to talk with the BDR tower
chief, you certainly can do that, but remember, s/he is the person who enables
that particular controller to continue to work on a daily basis, so you
will probably be waisting your time. You can also talk with your FSDO, but I
don't believe the FSDOs have anything to do with ATC, so that would probably also
be a waste of time. However, you might do some good talking with the FAA
Eastern Service Area office (ASO-510) that handles contract towers. Their number
should be 404-305-7133. That is a Southern Region number, but they handle
contract towers for Eastern and New England regions, too. You can also call
the FAA Regional Office for your Region and speak with someone in the Air Traffic
Division. Now, go improve the system!
Good luck,
Don
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david@newlangsyne.com
> Sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:10:52 -0500
> To: blind@carneyaviation.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: why we need ATC
>
> <david@newlangsyne.com>
>
> Rant mode ON.
>
> Here are three hourly reports from the Home Drome this morning.
>
> KBDR 191552Z 02013G20KT 10SM BKN055 BKN070 M05/M20 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098
> T10501200
> KBDR 191452Z 04012KT 10SM OVC060 M05/M22 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP119 T10501217
> 58007
> KBDR 191352Z 03010KT 10SM BKN080 M04/M22 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP125 T10441217
>
> My student and I started our taxi about 1500Z (middle report). Ground
> controller wanted to know our intentions.
>
> "Closed traffic."
>
> "Unable closed traffic due to limited visibility and haze."
>
> Once back inside, I called the tower and asked the guy what his
> visibility
> criterion was for pattern work, because I didn't want to waste my
> students'
> time if he wouldn't let us practice. He said that the tower visibility
> was
> poor to the southwest and he was having trouble spotting airplanes. I
> looked
> off in that direction and noticed the Northport stacks, 20 miles away.
>
> They walk among us. And we pay them.
>
> Somebody on the Mooney list recently compared controllers who can't work
> without radar to pilots who can't live without GPS. I have to disagree a
> little bit. The GPS-crippled pilot can at least take off and land.
>
> Bridgeport, Connecticut. Where safety is assured by keeping pilots on
> the
> ground or outside the ATA. Kind of severe, but it works.
>
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