---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/21/09: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - 2009 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle) 2. 11:51 AM - don't take your plane to . . . (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 3. 12:12 PM - Re: don't take your plane to . . . (Bruce Smith) 4. 12:33 PM - Re: don't take your plane to . . . (Gil Alexander) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:58 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 2009 List of Contributors Dear Listers, The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. Its the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible. 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:15 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: don't take your plane to . . . From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM There is a small town 30 minutes (by plane) south of here called Columbia, CA. The town itself is beautiful. The town was restored to the late 180 0s and you can pan for gold in the river. The school was also restored. Two story. Lots of steps. Not for those with a weak heart. There is als an airport nearby. Two years ago, I got a Tiger from a customer who lives in Columbia. The plane has 1400 hours on it. Straight airframe. Good restoration project . . . but, I digress. That Tiger had been maintained by the guys there in Columbia since it was new. Let's just say that the prop AD had never been done, the rear spinner bulkhead had so many different holes in it th at there was no way to put it on straight. When I got the plane, the spin ner run-out was 3/8 inches at the bulkhead. and that was only the beginni ng. $10,000 later, the plane was airworthy. The Project X plane was also maintained in Columbia. The brake lines are so mangled that all I can say is, "It's a good thing there are no wheel pants." The nose torque tube is broken; apparently has been for a while. The prop was indexed wrong. Pulled the seats. The hardware was wrong, bolts, that happens. BUT, the Clevis screws in the back, the ones with the spacer and large washer? Long gone. In their place was a countersun k screw tightened until the seat could still be installed, a bolt with no spacer or washer, a 5/16 inch bolt that looks like it had been turned dow n to 1/4 inches to fit with a standard washer on it and one clevis screw without the washer. And you should have seen the installation of the JPI with fuel flow. Let' s just say, "I'll give it points for creativity." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:52 PM PST US From: Bruce Smith Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: don't take your plane to . . . Gary, You gotta write a book! Bruce Smith Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:50 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: > There is a small town 30 minutes (by plane) south of here called > Columbia, CA. The town itself is beautiful. The town was restored > to the late 1800s and you can pan for gold in the river. The > school was also restored. Two story. Lots of steps. Not for those > with a weak heart. There is als an airport nearby. > > Two years ago, I got a Tiger from a customer who lives in Columbia. > The plane has 1400 hours on it. Straight airframe. Good > restoration project . . . but, I digress. That Tiger had been > maintained by the guys there in Columbia since it was new. Let's > just say that the prop AD had never been done, the rear spinner > bulkhead had so many different holes in it that there was no way to > put it on straight. When I got the plane, the spinner run-out was > 3/8 inches at the bulkhead. and that was only the beginning. > $10,000 later, the plane was airworthy. > > The Project X plane was also maintained in Columbia. The brake > lines are so mangled that all I can say is, "It's a good thing there > are no wheel pants." The nose torque tube is broken; apparently has > been for a while. The prop was indexed wrong. Pulled the seats. > The hardware was wrong, bolts, that happens. BUT, the Clevis screws > in the back, the ones with the spacer and large washer? Long gone. > In their place was a countersunk screw tightened until the seat > could still be installed, a bolt with no spacer or washer, a 5/16 > inch bolt that looks like it had been turned down to 1/4 inches to > fit with a standard washer on it and one clevis screw without the > washer. > > And you should have seen the installation of the JPI with fuel > flow. Let's just say, "I'll give it points for creativity." > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:31 PM PST US From: Gil Alexander Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: don't take your plane to . . . ...but it's a nice place to visit if you don't get any maintenance done.... My only complaint was that the quaint hotel had add-on air conditioning, which combined with the quaint, leaky single-pane windows gave a very hot room when it was 108 F outside. Still worth a visit though.... gil A At 12:50 PM 12/21/2009, you wrote: >There is a small town 30 minutes (by plane) south of here called >Columbia, CA. The town itself is beautiful. The town was restored >to the late 1800s and you can pan for gold in the river. The >school was also restored. Two story. Lots of steps. Not for those >with a weak heart. 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