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1. 06:45 AM - Re: Garmin 430 background lighting (Phil Kelsey)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b)
3. 06:48 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b)
4. 08:37 AM - Re: Cowling update (Ned Thomas)
5. 08:42 AM - Re: Cowling update (Ned Thomas)
6. 09:09 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b)
7. 09:11 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b)
8. 09:23 AM - Re: Cowling update (Ned Thomas)
9. 08:40 PM - Re: Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
10. 08:43 PM - Re: Garmin 430 background lighting (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
11. 08:43 PM - Re: Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM)
12. 08:58 PM - Re: Cowling update ()
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| Subject: | Garmin 430 background lighting |
There is a simple way to dim the GNS-430 no need to go to setup. While unit
is on turn to the AUX page. Turn right hand small knob clockwise until last
page comes up it's page 4. Select "Display" and press "ENT". Page
displays with "AUTO" highlighted. Turn small right hand knob and a drop
down list displays. Select "MANUAL" and press "ENT". MANUAL will now
display where AUTO displayed and the Level field will be highlighted.
Adjust backlighting level down by turning small right hand knob
counter-clockwise to dim and clockwise to brighten. In my Tiger the display
backlighting
is tied to the stock Grumman dimmer so that when I turn the dimmer up the
display on the 430 dims. If you need the know how to do this let me know.
P. J. Kelsey
ReliantAir
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM
KELLY
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright
day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over the
electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You
might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument
panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall
my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting
that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be
great.
Bill
I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2 of
them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and restarted the
other in the setup mode to see if I could affect the brightness. I could
affect it a little, but, really not enough to matter.
The unit needs a manual adjustment for brightness.
The unit needs a better design for replacing the battery in it also. I had
the battery replaced in one of them and the entire unit needs to be
disassembled and a new battery soldered in place. Really difficult to
replace.
Years ago, I replaced a battery in a Power Mac that looked exactly like the
battery in the 430. I think the battery was 5 years old in that one too.
The battery was $12 and took 5 minutes to replace.
Garmin needs to hire Steve Jobs.
Question: Is there a simple, straight forward way to dim the 430 screen at
night?
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
I think they were STC'd but I'm not sure about that.
Cliff
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From: Ned Thomas
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
I didn't think that B&C starters were approved for installation on
certified AC. Only by individual FSDO approvals. Therefore you should
not expect to see very many of them.....
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
I found something during this current installation that will require
a change to the installation instructions.
a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO
Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C
starter?
Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants
one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM KELLY <v1rotate@verizon.net>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too
bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits
over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it
works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random
instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen.
If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any
one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a
dimmer knob would be great.
Bill
I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the
430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and
restarted
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
Go with the 149-NL Sky-Tec, is a much better starter than the 149-12LS.
Cliff
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From: Ned Thomas
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
This would be the place to get it sold quickly
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=3
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
I found something during this current installation that will require
a change to the installation instructions.
a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO
Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C
starter?
Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants
one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM KELLY <v1rotate@verizon.net>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too
bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits
over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it
works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random
instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen.
If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any
one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a
dimmer knob would be great.
Bill
I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the
430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and
restarted
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
Cliff,
You're right. The starters are STCd and PMAd. I ws thinking of their
alternators which are fir experimentals only. So Gary you may see mire
of these starters
Her is a link to the starters
http://www.bandc.biz/lycomingstarter12v122ringgearteethstcpma.aspx
Ned
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
> I think they were STC'd but I'm not sure about that.
>
> Cliff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ned Thomas
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
>
> I didn't think that B&C starters were approved for installation on
> certified AC. Only by individual FSDO approvals. Therefore you
> should not expect to see very many of them.....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I found something during this current installation that will
>> require a change to the installation instructions.
>>
>> a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO
>>
>> Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C
>> starter?
>>
>> Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants
>> one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WILLIAM KELLY <v1rotate@verizon.net>
>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm
>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
>>
>> I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it
>> too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking
>> tape bits over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for
>> looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night,
>> but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the
>> brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my past experiences
>> correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting that works
>> suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be
>> great.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s
>> (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and
>> restarted
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
Keep in mind that the NL is 1.15 lbs heavier right out on the nose of
the plane. Not good for those of us the like to maximize speed
I've had excellent performance from the PM starters
Ned
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On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:46 AM, "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
> Go with the 149-NL Sky-Tec, is a much better starter than the
> 149-12LS.
>
> Cliff.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
I would gladly sacrifice the extra weight for the better quality based
on what I have seen concerning problems with customers starters.
Cliff
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From: Ned Thomas
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
Keep in mind that the NL is 1.15 lbs heavier right out on the nose of
the plane. Not good for those of us the like to maximize speed
I've had excellent performance from the PM starters
Ned
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On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:46 AM, "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
Go with the 149-NL Sky-Tec, is a much better starter than the
149-12LS.
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
Actually I have a 20 amp STC'd standby B&C alternator on my Bonanza.
It's a beautiful installation with it's own ACU and over amperage
warning light.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Ned Thomas
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
Cliff,
You're right. The starters are STCd and PMAd. I ws thinking of their
alternators which are fir experimentals only. So Gary you may see mire
of these starters
Her is a link to the starters
http://www.bandc.biz/lycomingstarter12v122ringgearteethstcpma.aspx
Ned
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
I think they were STC'd but I'm not sure about that.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Ned Thomas
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
I didn't think that B&C starters were approved for installation on
certified AC. Only by individual FSDO approvals. Therefore you should
not expect to see very many of them.....
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
I found something during this current installation that will
require a change to the installation instructions.
a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO
Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C
starter?
Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that
wants one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM KELLY <v1rotate@verizon.net>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it
too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape
bits over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but
it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the
random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430
screen. If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem
to be any one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night.
Agreed, a dimmer knob would be great.
Bill
I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the
430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and
restarted
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
I own quite a few things from BandC and also Bob Knuckols. The quality
is outstanding.
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On Jan 16, 2010, at 11:09 AM, "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
Ned, I'd have to sign up to post the starter for sale. I really have no
interest in joining another group. If you want to post on the RV list fo
r me, that would be great. Just give them my cell number. Phone number.
Not the number of my cell.
-----Original Message-----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
i'll try it
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From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
This would be the place to get it sold quickly
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=3
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
I found something during this current installation that will require a cha
nge to the installation instructions.
a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO
Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C starter?
Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants one?
send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM KELLY <v1rotate@verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too brigh
t day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over th
e electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You
might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument
panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recal
l my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit set
ting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob wou
ld be great.
Bill
I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2
of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and restarted
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 background lighting |
I have heard that there is a way to control dimming with the panel lightin
g. I'll look into that. When I had this wired up 6 years ago, I told the
m, 'No bells and whistles. Just make it look nice.' Obviously, I don't
do a lot of night flying.
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Kelsey <Phil@ReliantAir.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 6:34 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
There is a simple way to dim the GNS-430 no need to go tosetup. While uni
t is on turn to the AUX page. Turn right hand smallknob clockwise until
last page comes up it=99s page 4. Select =9CDisplay=9D
and press =9CENT=9D. Page displays with =9CAUTO
=9Dhighlighted. Turn small right hand knob and a drop down listdisplays.
Select =9CMANUAL=9D and press =9CENT=9D. MANUAL
will now display where AUTO displayed and the Level field will behighligh
ted. Adjust backlighting level down by turning small righthand knob cou
nter-clockwise to dim and clockwise to brighten. In myTiger the display
backlighting
is tied to the stock Grumman dimmer so that when I turnthe dimmer up the
display on the 430 dims. If you need the know how to dothis let me know.
P. J.Kelsey
ReliantAir
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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
Iforget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright
dayor night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over thee
lectronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You mig
htnot think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel
lightseems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my pa
stexperiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting tha
tworks suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would begrea
t.
Bill
I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the430s (2 of
them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on andrestarted the
other in the setup mode to see if I could affect the brightness. I could
affect it a little, but, really not enough to matter.
The unit needs a manualadjustment for brightness.
The unit needs a better design for replacing the battery in italso. I had
the battery replaced in one of them and the entire unit needsto be disass
embled and a new battery soldered in place. Really difficultto replace.
Years ago, I replaced a battery in a Power Mac that looked exactlylike the
battery in the 430. I think the battery was 5 years old in thatone too.
The battery was $12 and took 5 minutes to replace.
Garmin needs to hire Steve Jobs.
Question: Is there asimple, straight forward way to dim the 430 screen at
night?
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
I have the 149-12NL in my plane. I know that one fits.
-----Original Message-----
From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 6:46 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
Go with the 149-NL Sky-Tec, is a much better starter than the 149-12LS.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Ned Thomas
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
This would be the place to get it sold quickly
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=3
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
I found something during this current installation that will require
a change to the installation instructions.
a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO
Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C starte
r?
Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants one?
send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM KELLY <v1rotate@verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too
bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bi
ts over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but
it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the
random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the
430 screen. If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not
seem to be any one unit setting that works suitably for both day and
night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be great.
Bill
I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s
(2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and re
started
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling update |
Just post it on Barnstormers. It is free and a B&C starter will sell in
a New York Minute.....
Claude
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
Ned, I'd have to sign up to post the starter for sale. I really have no
interest in joining another group. If you want to post on the RV list
for me, that would be great. Just give them my cell number. Phone
number. Not the number of my cell.
-----Original Message-----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
i'll try it
-----Original Message-----
From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update
This would be the place to get it sold quickly
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=3
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
I found something during this current installation that will require a
change to the installation instructions.
a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO
Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C
starter?
Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants
one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM KELLY <v1rotate@verizon.net>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting
I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too
bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits
over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it
works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random
instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen.
If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any
one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a
dimmer knob would be great.
Bill
I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s
(2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and
restarted
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