---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/16/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:45 AM - Re: Garmin 430 background lighting (Phil Kelsey) 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b) 3. 06:48 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b) 4. 08:37 AM - Re: Cowling update (Ned Thomas) 5. 08:42 AM - Re: Cowling update (Ned Thomas) 6. 09:09 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b) 7. 09:11 AM - Re: Cowling update (flyv35b) 8. 09:23 AM - Re: Cowling update (Ned Thomas) 9. 08:40 PM - Re: Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 10. 08:43 PM - Re: Garmin 430 background lighting (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 11. 08:43 PM - Re: Cowling update (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 12. 08:58 PM - Re: Cowling update () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:46 AM PST US From: "Phil Kelsey" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting There is a simple way to dim the GNS-430 no need to go to setup. While unit is on turn to the AUX page. Turn right hand small knob clockwise until last page comes up it's page 4. Select "Display" and press "ENT". Page displays with "AUTO" highlighted. Turn small right hand knob and a drop down list displays. Select "MANUAL" and press "ENT". MANUAL will now display where AUTO displayed and the Level field will be highlighted. Adjust backlighting level down by turning small right hand knob counter-clockwise to dim and clockwise to brighten. In my Tiger the display backlighting is tied to the stock Grumman dimmer so that when I turn the dimmer up the display on the 430 dims. If you need the know how to do this let me know. P. J. Kelsey ReliantAir From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM KELLY Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be great. Bill I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and restarted the other in the setup mode to see if I could affect the brightness. I could affect it a little, but, really not enough to matter. The unit needs a manual adjustment for brightness. The unit needs a better design for replacing the battery in it also. I had the battery replaced in one of them and the entire unit needs to be disassembled and a new battery soldered in place. Really difficult to replace. Years ago, I replaced a battery in a Power Mac that looked exactly like the battery in the 430. I think the battery was 5 years old in that one too. The battery was $12 and took 5 minutes to replace. Garmin needs to hire Steve Jobs. Question: Is there a simple, straight forward way to dim the 430 screen at night? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version: 6.14140 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:47 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I think they were STC'd but I'm not sure about that. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ned Thomas To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:59 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I didn't think that B&C starters were approved for installation on certified AC. Only by individual FSDO approvals. Therefore you should not expect to see very many of them..... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: I found something during this current installation that will require a change to the installation instructions. a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C starter? Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec. Gary -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM KELLY To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be great. Bill I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and restarted ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:49 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Go with the 149-NL Sky-Tec, is a much better starter than the 149-12LS. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ned Thomas To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update This would be the place to get it sold quickly http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=3 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: I found something during this current installation that will require a change to the installation instructions. a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C starter? Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec. Gary -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM KELLY To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be great. Bill I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and restarted ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:35 AM PST US From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Cliff, You're right. The starters are STCd and PMAd. I ws thinking of their alternators which are fir experimentals only. So Gary you may see mire of these starters Her is a link to the starters http://www.bandc.biz/lycomingstarter12v122ringgearteethstcpma.aspx Ned Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "flyv35b" wrote: > I think they were STC'd but I'm not sure about that. > > Cliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ned Thomas > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update > > I didn't think that B&C starters were approved for installation on > certified AC. Only by individual FSDO approvals. Therefore you > should not expect to see very many of them..... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: > >> I found something during this current installation that will >> require a change to the installation instructions. >> >> a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO >> >> Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C >> starter? >> >> Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants >> one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec. >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WILLIAM KELLY >> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm >> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting >> >> I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it >> too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking >> tape bits over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for >> looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night, >> but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the >> brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my past experiences >> correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting that works >> suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be >> great. >> >> Bill >> >> I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s >> (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and >> restarted >> >> >> > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:22 AM PST US From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Keep in mind that the NL is 1.15 lbs heavier right out on the nose of the plane. Not good for those of us the like to maximize speed I've had excellent performance from the PM starters Ned Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:46 AM, "flyv35b" wrote: > Go with the 149-NL Sky-Tec, is a much better starter than the > 149-12LS. > > Cliff.com > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:07 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I would gladly sacrifice the extra weight for the better quality based on what I have seen concerning problems with customers starters. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ned Thomas To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:42 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Keep in mind that the NL is 1.15 lbs heavier right out on the nose of the plane. Not good for those of us the like to maximize speed I've had excellent performance from the PM starters Ned Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:46 AM, "flyv35b" wrote: Go with the 149-NL Sky-Tec, is a much better starter than the 149-12LS. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:25 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Actually I have a 20 amp STC'd standby B&C alternator on my Bonanza. It's a beautiful installation with it's own ACU and over amperage warning light. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ned Thomas To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Cliff, You're right. The starters are STCd and PMAd. I ws thinking of their alternators which are fir experimentals only. So Gary you may see mire of these starters Her is a link to the starters http://www.bandc.biz/lycomingstarter12v122ringgearteethstcpma.aspx Ned Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2010, at 8:44 AM, "flyv35b" wrote: I think they were STC'd but I'm not sure about that. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ned Thomas To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:59 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I didn't think that B&C starters were approved for installation on certified AC. Only by individual FSDO approvals. Therefore you should not expect to see very many of them..... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: I found something during this current installation that will require a change to the installation instructions. a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C starter? Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec. Gary -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM KELLY To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be great. Bill I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and restarted href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:24 AM PST US From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update I own quite a few things from BandC and also Bob Knuckols. The quality is outstanding. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2010, at 11:09 AM, "flyv35b" wrote: > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Ned, I'd have to sign up to post the starter for sale. I really have no interest in joining another group. If you want to post on the RV list fo r me, that would be great. Just give them my cell number. Phone number. Not the number of my cell. -----Original Message----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:55 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update i'll try it -----Original Message----- From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:04 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update This would be the place to get it sold quickly http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=3 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: I found something during this current installation that will require a cha nge to the installation instructions. a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C starter? Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec. Gary -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM KELLY Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too brigh t day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over th e electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recal l my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit set ting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob wou ld be great. Bill I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and restarted ======================== =========== ator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ======================== =========== ttp://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== ibution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM I have heard that there is a way to control dimming with the panel lightin g. I'll look into that. When I had this wired up 6 years ago, I told the m, 'No bells and whistles. Just make it look nice.' Obviously, I don't do a lot of night flying. -----Original Message----- From: Phil Kelsey Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 6:34 am Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting There is a simple way to dim the GNS-430 no need to go tosetup. While uni t is on turn to the AUX page. Turn right hand smallknob clockwise until last page comes up it=99s page 4. Select =9CDisplay=9D and press =9CENT=9D. Page displays with =9CAUTO =9Dhighlighted. Turn small right hand knob and a drop down listdisplays. Select =9CMANUAL=9D and press =9CENT=9D. MANUAL will now display where AUTO displayed and the Level field will behighligh ted. Adjust backlighting level down by turning small righthand knob cou nter-clockwise to dim and clockwise to brighten. In myTiger the display backlighting is tied to the stock Grumman dimmer so that when I turnthe dimmer up the display on the 430 dims. If you need the know how to dothis let me know. P. J.Kelsey ReliantAir From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-teamgrumman -list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAMKELLY Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting Iforget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright dayor night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over thee lectronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You mig htnot think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel lightseems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my pa stexperiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting tha tworks suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would begrea t. Bill I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on andrestarted the other in the setup mode to see if I could affect the brightness. I could affect it a little, but, really not enough to matter. The unit needs a manualadjustment for brightness. The unit needs a better design for replacing the battery in italso. I had the battery replaced in one of them and the entire unit needsto be disass embled and a new battery soldered in place. Really difficultto replace. Years ago, I replaced a battery in a Power Mac that looked exactlylike the battery in the 430. I think the battery was 5 years old in thatone too. The battery was $12 and took 5 minutes to replace. Garmin needs to hire Steve Jobs. Question: Is there asimple, straight forward way to dim the 430 screen at night? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution E-mail message checkedby Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.508) Database version:6.14140 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM I have the 149-12NL in my plane. I know that one fits. -----Original Message----- From: flyv35b Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 6:46 am Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Go with the 149-NL Sky-Tec, is a much better starter than the 149-12LS. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Ned Thomas Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update This would be the place to get it sold quickly http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=3 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: I found something during this current installation that will require a change to the installation instructions. a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C starte r? Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec. Gary -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM KELLY Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bi ts over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be great. Bill I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. I left one on and re started href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:26 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Just post it on Barnstormers. It is free and a B&C starter will sell in a New York Minute..... Claude From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:39 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update Ned, I'd have to sign up to post the starter for sale. I really have no interest in joining another group. If you want to post on the RV list for me, that would be great. Just give them my cell number. Phone number. Not the number of my cell. -----Original Message----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:55 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update i'll try it -----Original Message----- From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:04 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling update This would be the place to get it sold quickly http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=3 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:36 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: I found something during this current installation that will require a change to the installation instructions. a B&C starter won't fit. They are too big. SOOOOOO Is there anyone out there in Team Grumman-land that wants a B&C starter? Do you think there might be someone on the 'other' gang that wants one? send them my way. I need to order the Sky-Tec. Gary -----Original Message----- From: WILLIAM KELLY To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:35 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Garmin 430 background lighting I forget how I adjusted the brightness initially, but I found it too bright day or night, so I leave a couple of layers of masking tape bits over the electronic eye on the upper left. Not much for looks, but it works. You might not think it would matter at night, but even the random instrument panel light seems to affect the brightness of the 430 screen. If I recall my past experiences correctly there does not seem to be any one unit setting that works suitably for both day and night. Agreed, a dimmer knob would be great. Bill I did a long night flight last night and the brightness of the 430s (2 of them) was overwhelming in the darkness. 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