---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/23/10: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Re: Plane Power (flyv35b) 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Plane Power (Richard Mutzman) 3. 06:52 AM - Re: Plane Power (flyv35b) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: Plane Power (flyv35b) 5. 09:13 AM - Re: Plane Power (Ned Thomas) 6. 09:19 AM - Re: Plane Power (Ned Thomas) 7. 09:21 AM - Re: Plane Power (Ned Thomas) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:26 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power Ned, are you sure it was misdialed or just installed wrong. It can be put on two ways, but as I recall the wrong way is so far off that it is obvious it is wrong. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: 923te To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power I too had a misalignment issue when I installed the plane-power alternator on my 2002 AG5B Tiger. Steve, I think was his name, flew up on a Saturday morning in his twin and brought parts to fix it. He mentioned mine was amongst the first batch for the AG5B's and he wanted to make sure they were right. Turned out that the bracket that I had that was on my factory alternator, the bracket that attaches to the case, was drilled wrong. He was stumped at why it didn't align and I thought to mention that I had never actually checked to see if it was in alignment prior to my removing the original alternator. Well it wasn't. The Lycoming part numbered bracket was mis-drilled and that made both the old and the new plane power have misalignment. Sorry to hear they are not supporting you very well. Its too small a community for that.... Are you talking to the owner? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:57 AM PST US From: Richard Mutzman Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Plane Power I was talking to my A&P the other day about PP regulator and he told me the y were made in China. I wonder if the PP alternators are made in China as well. Anyone know? Richard N399RM _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:06 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power Should have said "misdrilled" and not "misdialed". Hit the spell checker at the wrong time. ----- Original Message ----- From: flyv35b To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:13 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power Ned, are you sure it was misdialed or just installed wrong. It can be put on two ways, but as I recall the wrong way is so far off that it is obvious it is wrong. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: 923te To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power I too had a misalignment issue when I installed the plane-power alternator on my 2002 AG5B Tiger. Steve, I think was his name, flew up on a Saturday morning in his twin and brought parts to fix it. He mentioned mine was amongst the first batch for the AG5B's and he wanted to make sure they were right. Turned out that the bracket that I had that was on my factory alternator, the bracket that attaches to the case, was drilled wrong. He was stumped at why it didn't align and I thought to mention that I had never actually checked to see if it was in alignment prior to my removing the original alternator. Well it wasn't. The Lycoming part numbered bracket was mis-drilled and that made both the old and the new plane power have misalignment. Sorry to hear they are not supporting you very well. Its too small a community for that.... Are you talking to the owner? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:52 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power It sounds like several people have had problems with spacers and pulley alignment (who knows how many actually). On the first one I installed on a Tiger the field terminal was nearly touching the front baffle. I didn't see why they couldn't have designed the pulley a bit different and moved the alternator forward even a half inch for better clearance and easier access to the terminal. For that matter the whole front baffle design on the Tiger and Cheetah suck! By making a baffle up over the top of the case and sealing to the nose bowl you could eliminate the lower front baffle and then you would have access to the alternator from behind WITHOUT taking off the nose bowl. In fact you might be able to check the wires on the alternator just by looking in with the top cowling open! Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: teamgrumman@aol.com To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:18 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power Ya know, some companies are a real pleasure to work with. These companies don't ask questions when there is a problem. LightSpeed for example. Bose. But, then there are companies that take each and every problem as a personal affront and make it so impossible to work with that sometimes I have to wonder how they stay in business. A couple of years ago, I attempted to install a PP alternator on a 2004 AG5B. The pulley was misaligned by about 1/8 inch. This was my first install of a PP alternator and figured that something must be wrong on my end. When I called PP and gave them the serial number, I was told that I had an alternator when had been manufactured prior to a redesign of the spacer and that I needed the new spacer. No, the part number wasn't changed because it was a minor change. OK. Send me the spacer. I have an airplane-on-the-ground. So, they agreed to replace the spacer at my expense. Since then, I have done 9 installs of PP alternators; 3 of which have a persistent whine in them. Running extra grounds and cleaning up terminal ends have not helped. Oddly, removing and replacing one of the alternators made the noise go away. This was on a plane on which I had NOT installed an extra ground or cleaned up the terminal ends. I removed the alternator to fix a problem with the baffle. OK, so, last year, I ordered a new PP alternator for a Cheetah I was restoring and decided to order an extra one for 'bench stock' just in case someone needed one. Well, wouldn't ya know it, about a year later, a few days ago, I needed to use that alternator. Come to fine out, this one too has either the wrong spacers or wrong pulley or both. At any rate, it wouldn't fit; the pulley's are misaligned by 1/4 inch or more. So I called PP. I talked to a really nice man who helped what he could and he passed me to another guy who basically said I was installing it wrong. When I told him I had installed several without any problem he told me, "we've changed the design (without changing the part number) so the alternator sat further forward to clear the baffle." I said, "Well, I must have one that wasn't updated so I need to send it back so I can have one that will fit." Then, I was told to take pictures of the alternator so they can determine if I was doing anything wrong. I said, "If I give you the part number and serial number won't you be able to tell if there is a problem with the pulley?" No. Apparently not. I was told they NOTHING leaves PP without being checked for accuracy and it probably has the parts it was supposed to be shipped with. Then I was told to get all the part numbers for the brackets, spacers, and pulley. I said, "Can't I just send it back and you can fix it so I have an alternator to use incase someone needs one?" Well, no. I was not issued an RMA (returned merchandise authorization) because I didn't have the serial number handy. I'm on my way to the airport to get the serial number, take pictures, and write down part numbers. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:39 AM PST US From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power I agree Cliff. One of the advantages of Gary's new cowling is that it does what your saying. Can't wait until I get one on my Tiger! Ned Sent from my iPhone > > For that matter the whole front baffle design on the Tiger and > Cheetah suck! By making a baffle up over the top of the case and > sealing to the nose bowl you could eliminate the lower front baffle > and then you would have access to the alternator from behind WITHOUT > taking off the nose bowl. In fact you might be able to check the > wires on the alternator just by looking in with the top cowling open! > > Cliffy ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:33 AM PST US From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power The iPhone makes what it thinks are corections. This feature can be turned off but the keypad is so small that I often hit the wrong letters. When I hit the wrong letters the iPhone fixes it. Sometimes it fixes what it shouldn't and I don't catch it. Dory bout that Ned Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2010, at 8:51 AM, "flyv35b" wrote: > Should have said "misdrilled" and not "misdialed". Hit the spell > checker at the wrong time. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: flyv35b > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power > > Ned, are you sure it was misdialed or just installed wrong. It can > be put on two ways, but as I recall the wrong way is so far off that > it is obvious it is wrong. > > Cliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 923te > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power > > I too had a misalignment issue when I installed the plane-power > alternator on my 2002 AG5B Tiger. Steve, I think was his name, flew > up on a Saturday morning in his twin and brought parts to fix it. He > mentioned mine was amongst the first batch for the AG5B's and he > wanted to make sure they were right. Turned out that the bracket > that I had that was on my factory alternator, the bracket that > attaches to the case, was drilled wrong. He was stumped at why it > didn't align and I thought to mention that I had never actually > checked to see if it was in alignment prior to my removing the > original alternator. Well it wasn't. The Lycoming part numbered > bracket was mis-drilled and that made both the old and the new plane > power have misalignment. > > Sorry to hear they are not supporting you very well. Its too small a > community for that.... > > Are you talking to the owner? > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:40 AM PST US From: Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power Should've been Sorry about that Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Ned Thomas <923te@att.net> wrote: > The iPhone makes what it thinks are corections. > > This feature can be turned off but the keypad is so small that I > often hit the wrong letters. When I hit the wrong letters the iPhone > fixes it. Sometimes it fixes what it shouldn't and I don't catch it. > Dory bout that > Ned > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 23, 2010, at 8:51 AM, "flyv35b" wrote: > >> Should have said "misdrilled" and not "misdialed". Hit the spell >> checker at the wrong time. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: flyv35b >> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:13 AM >> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power >> >> Ned, are you sure it was misdialed or just installed wrong. It can >> be put on two ways, but as I recall the wrong way is so far off >> that it is obvious it is wrong. >> >> Cliff >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: 923te >> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:22 PM >> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power >> >> I too had a misalignment issue when I installed the plane-power >> alternator on my 2002 AG5B Tiger. Steve, I think was his name, flew >> up on a Saturday morning in his twin and brought parts to fix it. >> He mentioned mine was amongst the first batch for the AG5B's and he >> wanted to make sure they were right. Turned out that the bracket >> that I had that was on my factory alternator, the bracket that >> attaches to the case, was drilled wrong. He was stumped at why it >> didn't align and I thought to mention that I had never actually >> checked to see if it was in alignment prior to my removing the >> original alternator. Well it wasn't. The Lycoming part numbered >> bracket was mis-drilled and that made both the old and the new >> plane power have misalignment. >> >> Sorry to hear they are not supporting you very well. Its too small >> a community for that.... >> >> Are you talking to the owner? >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.