---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/22/10: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:26 AM - GG censorship (Lawrence Massaro) 2. 11:05 AM - Re: GG censorship (scott@hjermstad.com) 3. 11:05 AM - Xerion AuRacle (Bruce Smith) 4. 11:09 AM - Re: GG censorship (teamgrumman@aol.com) 5. 11:14 AM - Re: Xerion AuRacle (teamgrumman@AOL.com) 6. 11:15 AM - Re: GG censorship (Wes Chapman) 7. 11:25 AM - Re: GG censorship (n26390@aol.com) 8. 10:49 PM - Re: Re: Instrument panel (WILLIAM KELLY) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:13 AM PST US From: Lawrence Massaro Subject: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship I replied to a recent post on the GG Saturday AM regarding an interesting commentary on the AYA website. Pretty simple post just telling any interested parties where to find out info if they are curious. As of today, the post has not been released. WTF? Is the moderator that much of an insecure A*S that cant take any criticism? I thought I was responding to a open forum? Nothing in that response broke any of the GG list rules as far as I can see. MY RESPONSE >Go to www.aucountry.com to find out why... ORiGINAL POST >Subject: AYA and the Gang > >(section removed) >I have never visited the AYA forum, but have gotten considerable >education and entertainment from the 'Gang. Many Star articles were old >news that had been already covered on the gang and discussed by their >authors. I am involved in aviation on many levels and can assure you >that there is no room for any infighting or dilution of effort. The Gang >lost a great resource in Gary Vogt, for reasons that I don't even >recall, but Gary left and is now on Team Grumman. To further dilute the >resource pool with parallel efforts does not make much sense. The Gang >promotes AYA, while it seems that the the AYA discourages the Gang as a >communication medium, even though is has a broader reach. >(section removed) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship From: scott@hjermstad.com I believe I got this message from GG... Weird... Scott Hjermstad AA1B 9962L @ PMV ------Original Message------ From: Lawrence Massaro Sender: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship Sent: Feb 22, 2010 10:34 AM I replied to a recent post on the GG Saturday AM regarding an interesting commentary on the AYA website. Pretty simple post just telling any interested parties where to find out info if they are curious. As of today, the post has not been released. WTF? Is the moderator that much of an insecure A*S that cant take any criticism? I thought I was responding to a open forum? Nothing in that response broke any of the GG list rules as far as I can see. MY RESPONSE >Go to www.aucountry.com to find out why... ORiGINAL POST >Subject: AYA and the Gang > >(section removed) >I have never visited the AYA forum, but have gotten considerable >education and entertainment from the 'Gang. Many Star articles were old >news that had been already covered on the gang and discussed by their >authors. I am involved in aviation on many levels and can assure you >that there is no room for any infighting or dilution of effort. The Gang >lost a great resource in Gary Vogt, for reasons that I don't even >recall, but Gary left and is now on Team Grumman. To further dilute the >resource pool with parallel efforts does not make much sense. The Gang >promotes AYA, while it seems that the the AYA discourages the Gang as a >communication medium, even though is has a broader reach. >(section removed) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:20 AM PST US From: Bruce Smith Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Xerion AuRacle Have you installed the Xerion AuRacle engine monitoring system? It looks pretty cool. And it's approved for installation on the Grumman series of aircraft. Thanks, Bruce Smith Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship From: teamgrumman@aol.com What can I say? The only rule you broke was mentioning my name. -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Massaro Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 8:34 am Subject: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship .com> I replied to a recent post on the GG Saturday AM regarding an interesting commentary on the AYA website. Pretty simple post just telling any interested parties where to find out info if they are curious. As of today, the post has not been released. WTF? Is the moderator that much of an insecure A*S that cant take any criticism ? I thought I was responding to a open forum? Nothing in that response broke any of the GG list rules as far as I can see. MY RESPONSE >Go to www.aucountry.com to find out why... ORiGINAL POST >Subject: AYA and the Gang > >(section removed) >I have never visited the AYA forum, but have gotten considerable >education and entertainment from the 'Gang. Many Star articles were old >news that had been already covered on the gang and discussed by their >authors. I am involved in aviation on many levels and can assure you >that there is no room for any infighting or dilution of effort. The Gang >lost a great resource in Gary Vogt, for reasons that I don't even >recall, but Gary left and is now on Team Grumman. To further dilute the >resource pool with parallel efforts does not make much sense. The Gang >promotes AYA, while it seems that the the AYA discourages the Gang as a >communication medium, even though is has a broader reach. >(section removed) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Xerion AuRacle From: teamgrumman@AOL.com Jeff Keesaman is looking into doing just that. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Smith Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 11:01 am Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Xerion AuRacle Have you installed the Xerion AuRacle engine monitoring system? It looks pretty cool. And it's approved for installation on the Grumman series of aircraft. Thanks, Bruce Smith Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship From: Wes Chapman Yes...I got the message via GG as well. Ironically, that is how I found out about the TG list. Wes On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM, wrote: > > I believe I got this message from GG... > > Weird... > > Scott Hjermstad > AA1B 9962L @ PMV > > ------Original Message------ > From: Lawrence Massaro > Sender: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship > Sent: Feb 22, 2010 10:34 AM > > lmassaro@tac-eng.com> > > I replied to a recent post on the GG Saturday AM regarding an > interesting commentary on the AYA > website. Pretty simple post just telling any interested parties where > to find out info if they > are curious. As of today, the post has not been released. > > WTF? > > Is the moderator that much of an insecure A*S that cant take any criticism? > I thought I was responding to a open forum? Nothing in that response > broke any of the GG list rules as far as I can see. > > > MY RESPONSE > >Go to www.aucountry.com to find out why... > > ORiGINAL POST > >Subject: AYA and the Gang > > > >(section removed) > >I have never visited the AYA forum, but have gotten considerable > >education and entertainment from the 'Gang. Many Star articles were old > >news that had been already covered on the gang and discussed by their > >authors. I am involved in aviation on many levels and can assure you > >that there is no room for any infighting or dilution of effort. The Gang > >lost a great resource in Gary Vogt, for reasons that I don't even > >recall, but Gary left and is now on Team Grumman. To further dilute the > >resource pool with parallel efforts does not make much sense. The Gang > >promotes AYA, while it seems that the the AYA discourages the Gang as a > >communication medium, even though is has a broader reach. > >(section removed) > > -- Wes Chapman Wes Chapman PC PO Box 718 Vidalia, GA 30475 912-293-3794 1709 Green Acres Drive Vidalia, GA 30474 912-538-8289 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship From: n26390@aol.com Sorry, but I also seem to remember reading your post on the GG. Roger Rucker AA5A '78 HWO -----Original Message----- From: scott@hjermstad.com Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:00 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship I believe I got this message from GG... Weird... Scott Hjermstad A1B 9962L @ PMV ------Original Message------ rom: Lawrence Massaro ender: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com o: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com eplyTo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com ubject: TeamGrumman-List: GG censorship ent: Feb 22, 2010 10:34 AM .com> I replied to a recent post on the GG Saturday AM regarding an nteresting commentary on the AYA ebsite. Pretty simple post just telling any interested parties where o find out info if they re curious. As of today, the post has not been released. WTF? Is the moderator that much of an insecure A*S that cant take any criticism ? thought I was responding to a open forum? Nothing in that response roke any of the GG list rules as far as I can see. Y RESPONSE >Go to www.aucountry.com to find out why... ORiGINAL POST >Subject: AYA and the Gang > >(section removed) >I have never visited the AYA forum, but have gotten considerable >education and entertainment from the 'Gang. Many Star articles were old >news that had been already covered on the gang and discussed by their >authors. I am involved in aviation on many levels and can assure you >that there is no room for any infighting or dilution of effort. The Gang >lost a great resource in Gary Vogt, for reasons that I don't even >recall, but Gary left and is now on Team Grumman. To further dilute the >resource pool with parallel efforts does not make much sense. The Gang >promotes AYA, while it seems that the the AYA discourages the Gang as a >communication medium, even though is has a broader reach. >(section removed) -======================== ======================== =========== -= - The TeamGrumman-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:50 PM PST US From: "WILLIAM KELLY" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Instrument panel Good question. Because there is no official POH performace reference for an O320 AA1X, I created my own charts. Our plane has a 62 inch pitch prop. I don't remember what the stock Cheetah prop pitch is, but the closest I could get (and I figured it would be close enough) was to scab the % power data out of my old Cheetah manual which I converted to an easy to read card I carry in the cockpit. That's what I use, plus the old standard of full rich to 5000' DA (conveniently displayed on my EI Super Clock), and thereafter lean for all full throttle operations. Under 5000' DA I refer to the scabbed Cheetah data for leaning below 75% RPM settings. I think it works. As for the rest of the data, like takeoff distances, cruise speeds and fuel flows, and rates of climb, being an obsessive former flight test engineer I undertood a mini program using a combination of many flights and accepted formulas to create what has been a reliable reference card which presents all this information. Takeoff distance for weights from 1450# to 1684# and DA's from sea level to 8000' are in a table. Cruise speeds and fuel flows are listed for DA's from 4000' to 15000' and rates of climb for the entire weight range are listed from DA's of sea level to 15000'. I have added a safety buffer to the calculations where it seemed prudent and have had not had any surprises. Last year my wife and I departed the Grand Canyon airport early in the morning. For the reported conditions we lifted off and climbed out very close to the performance predicted on the card. It was the first time we had the airplane in a truly high DA situation at max weight and, at least on that day, it did a good job.. Bill K. No POH for an O320 in an AA1x: OK Bill, tell us, what do you do for percent power in your O320 powered 2-seater? If you had a JPI 800, it would display percent power for you. In fact, if you let my put in a JPI 830, you will have, at all times, in one unit: RPM, Manifold Pressure, EGT/CHT, Oil Temp, Oil Pressure, OAT, Volts, Carb Temp, % power, EGT delta, Fuel Flow, Gallons used, Gallons remaining, AND miles per gallon. And it takes up a lot less space than you are currently occupying. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.