---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/27/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:47 AM - Re: 1975 AA1B damage (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) 2. 03:13 PM - Re: 1975 AA1B damage (Dj Merrill) 3. 05:00 PM - Re: 1975 AA1B damage (flyv35b) 4. 06:36 PM - Re: 1975 AA1B damage (Deems Herring) 5. 06:43 PM - Re: 1975 AA1B damage (Dj Merrill) 6. 10:29 PM - Re: 1975 AA1B damage (teamgrumman@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM That looks like a pretty nasty wind. If it were mine, I'd buy the AA1 that Fletcher is selling and replace all the damaged parts; including the delaminating elevator. Cliff knows a lot about the 2-seater. He might even have some good leads on parts. Try Ken Blackman as well; he does a lot of 2-seaters. Where are you that you had so much wind? Lancaster (Sandblaster) was very windy. I landed a tail-wheel plane in a 60 knot wind there one day. I landed on the numbers and my roll out was about 10 feet. Tail never came down. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Dj Merrill Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 3:16 pm Subject: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage We had a little wind storm last night, and the airplane next to mine got away. It totaled the plane behind me, but only did some (hopefully) minor damage to my plane (1975 AA1B). The left elevator plastic tip has a crack and small piece taken out of the aft, left edge. The trim tab on the rudder was hit and bent over, and a couple of shallow dents are in the right side of the rudder. The tail tie down ring is bent as well as some of the area around it. The right wing tie down ring is slightly bent. I have pictures on my website at At a minimum I'll have to replace the left elevator tip and the trim tab on the rudder. I may possibly have to replace the rudder and parts near the tail tie down area. We haven't opened it up yet to get a good look inside. Would any of you be willing to share your expertise on what other possible damage that we should be looking for? Thanks, -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage From: Dj Merrill On 2/27/2010 11:46 AM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: > If it were mine, I'd buy the AA1 that Fletcher is selling and replace > all the damaged parts; including the delaminating elevator. Hi Gary, I don't think there is that much damage. On the surface it looks like I just need to replace the plastic elevator tip, and the rudder trim tab, or at worst the whole rudder, and possibly some of the reinforcement around the tail tie down ring. All of the damage should be covered by insurance, but unless there is significant hidden damage I can't see why it would be necessary to buy another whole plane for parts. > > Cliff knows a lot about the 2-seater. He might even have some good > leads on parts. Try Ken Blackman as well; he does a lot of 2-seaters. Thanks! > > Where are you that you had so much wind? KIWI (Wiscasset, Maine). Off shore sensors hit 90mph that night (I'm told), and KIWI is right off the ocean. I'm guessing we had at least 60 - 70 mph winds at the airport. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:07 PM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage Since Insurance is paying the bill I'd replace the rudder as you won't be able to fix the dent in it without showing most likely. You may need a doubler inside the tail cone, depending on how badly the metal is torn and bent from the eye. Take the wingtips off and see what damage there is to the wing tie down eye attachments. They are attached with a small bracket and nutplate that can be replaced. Also the points David made about the ailerons is important. The plane was obviously pulling against the ropes very hard. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Merrill" Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:13 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage > > On 2/27/2010 11:46 AM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: >> If it were mine, I'd buy the AA1 that Fletcher is selling and replace >> all the damaged parts; including the delaminating elevator. > > > Hi Gary, > I don't think there is that much damage. On the surface it looks like > I just need to replace the plastic elevator tip, and the rudder trim > tab, or at worst the whole rudder, and possibly some of the > reinforcement around the tail tie down ring. All of the damage should > be covered by insurance, but unless there is significant hidden damage I > can't see why it would be necessary to buy another whole plane for parts. > >> >> Cliff knows a lot about the 2-seater. He might even have some good >> leads on parts. Try Ken Blackman as well; he does a lot of 2-seaters. > > Thanks! > >> >> Where are you that you had so much wind? > > KIWI (Wiscasset, Maine). Off shore sensors hit 90mph that night (I'm > told), and KIWI is right off the ocean. I'm guessing we had at least 60 > - 70 mph winds at the airport. > > -Dj > > -- > Dj Merrill - N1JOV > Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ > Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:42 PM PST US From: Deems Herring Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage The aft fuselage bulkhead is primary structure so make sure the tail tie do wn repair is performed with that in mind=2C see: http://www.bondline.org/wi ki/Tail_Tiedown_Repair Deems AA1B N1491R > From: flyv35b@minetfiber.com > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage > Date: Sat=2C 27 Feb 2010 16:59:48 -0800 > > > > Since Insurance is paying the bill I'd replace the rudder as you won't be > able to fix the dent in it without showing most likely. You may need a > doubler inside the tail cone=2C depending on how badly the metal is torn and > bent from the eye. Take the wingtips off and see what damage there is to > the wing tie down eye attachments. They are attached with a small bracke t > and nutplate that can be replaced. Also the points David made about the > ailerons is important. The plane was obviously pulling against the ropes > very hard. > > Cliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dj Merrill" > To: > Sent: Saturday=2C February 27=2C 2010 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage > > > > > > On 2/27/2010 11:46 AM=2C teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: > >> If it were mine=2C I'd buy the AA1 that Fletcher is selling and replac e > >> all the damaged parts=3B including the delaminating elevator. > > > > > > Hi Gary=2C > > I don't think there is that much damage. On the surface it looks like > > I just need to replace the plastic elevator tip=2C and the rudder trim > > tab=2C or at worst the whole rudder=2C and possibly some of the > > reinforcement around the tail tie down ring. All of the damage should > > be covered by insurance=2C but unless there is significant hidden damag e I > > can't see why it would be necessary to buy another whole plane for part s. > > > >> > >> Cliff knows a lot about the 2-seater. He might even have some good > >> leads on parts. Try Ken Blackman as well=3B he does a lot of 2-seater s. > > > > Thanks! > > > >> > >> Where are you that you had so much wind? > > > > KIWI (Wiscasset=2C Maine). Off shore sensors hit 90mph that night (I'm > > told)=2C and KIWI is right off the ocean. I'm guessing we had at least 60 > > - 70 mph winds at the airport. > > > > -Dj > > > > -- > > Dj Merrill - N1JOV > > Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ > > Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage From: Dj Merrill On 2/27/2010 9:36 PM, Deems Herring wrote: > The aft fuselage bulkhead is primary structure so make sure the tail tie > down repair is performed with that in mind, see: > http://www.bondline.org/wiki/Tail_Tiedown_Repair Thanks! That is an excellent reference. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM Maine is one of only 4 sates I haven't visited. Maybe this year after the convention. -----Original Message----- From: Dj Merrill Sent: Sat, Feb 27, 2010 3:13 pm Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: 1975 AA1B damage On 2/27/2010 11:46 AM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote: > If it were mine, I'd buy the AA1 that Fletcher is selling and replace > all the damaged parts; including the delaminating elevator. Hi Gary, I don't think there is that much damage. On the surface it looks like I just need to replace the plastic elevator tip, and the rudder trim tab, or at worst the whole rudder, and possibly some of the reinforcement around the tail tie down ring. All of the damage should be covered by insurance, but unless there is significant hidden damage I can't see why it would be necessary to buy another whole plane for parts. > > Cliff knows a lot about the 2-seater. He might even have some good > leads on parts. Try Ken Blackman as well; he does a lot of 2-seaters. Thanks! > > Where are you that you had so much wind? KIWI (Wiscasset, Maine). Off shore sensors hit 90mph that night (I'm told), and KIWI is right off the ocean. I'm guessing we had at least 60 - 70 mph winds at the airport. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/ ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.