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| Subject: | Re: Plane Power alternator |
Gary,
Okay. Also, it will have been five years since Fletcher replaced the
flexible fluid lines in the engine compartment, so I think it will be
time for new ones again this year. I recall it as a five year interval.
If you need to take measurements ahead of time for ordering the correct
lengths, maybe we could do that on a side trip to Auburn.
Bill
Bill,
During your annual, we'll take your alternator to a place I use and
have them check it. If needed, we'll have them replace diodes. I agree,
PP needs to make, not only a lighter mousetrap, but a better mousetrap.
Otherwise what's the point? I have a new PP alternator on my shelf for
my plane. If it isn't a better alternative to a Kelly rebuild, then I'm
going to stop recommending them.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Plane Power alternator |
Hi Scott,
I've received several reports of good PP alternators. BUT, if there IS a
problem and PPs answer to it is, "That's just the way it is." and doesn'
t replace it or tighten up their specs to where SOME are not noisy, then
it's hard for me to recommend the alternator.
Let's put it this way: if I were the President of the company, I would be
making damn sure the product I was selling had zero defects.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power alternator
I've had a PP alternator on my AA5B for about 3yrs now. It has never give
n me any problems at all. No noise or any other problems.
Scott Trejo
N499GT
On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:18 PM, G Vogt wrote:
Bill,
During your annual, we'll take your alternator to a place I use and have
them check it. If needed, we'll have them replace diodes. I agree, PP nee
ds to make, not only a lighter mousetrap, but a better mousetrap. Otherwis
e what's the point? I have a new PP alternator on my shelf for my plane.
If it isn't a better alternative to a Kelly rebuild, then I'm going to st
op recommending them.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 12, 2010, at 12:27 PM, "WILLIAM KELLY" <v1rotate@verizon.net> wrote
:
Gary,
Don't know if you were able to see my post today on the GG responding to
Les Staples minimizing the PP alternator noise issue. They appear to be
in denial about this. The noise really bothers Allisen when she flys wit
h me. One reason, beyond my own personal preferences, that I try to keep
the plane so nice is so that Allisen has confidence in the machinery and
is comfortable on our trips. It irks me when something like this noise
deal intrudes on that objective. My GG post stated that there is no way
you could have a problem with an alernator installation unless the unit
istelf had issues. Incidentally, we still want to fly up to Auburn. The
weather just hasn't settled down yet from winter leftovers.
Bill
Remember a few months ago when I asked what other's experience was with
PP alternators? At the time, I had installed a new PP alternator that
was very noisy. A couple of other PP owners also wrote to say theirs wa
s noisy also. My customer sent his alternator to PP to have them check
it. It came back saying it was in specs. It was still very noisy. He in
stalled an overhauled Kelly alternator that was quiet.
PP needs to tighten up their specs.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
We're 'negotiating' right now. He has done a lot of modified alternat
ors and thinks he can by-pass any testing based on his data and the pr
evious flight test data. Keep your fingers crossed.
-----Original Message-----
From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:29 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
Gary, I didn't realize that was the case with your baffling. That sou
nds like a welcome improvement for accessibility to the alternator.
I realize that logic does not play an important role in their decision
making many times but it sounds like it is your DER that is making th
e decision as to whether another cooling test should be run or not.
Doesn't he have the authority to make such a decision based on the fa
cts and info available?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
The alternator on a Jaguar is open like it was on a Traveler. I hav
e holes in the cabin heat duct that vent directly on the alternator.
During tests, the alternator was a little warmer, but not by enoug
h to make a difference.
Cliff, it's the FAA. Logic does not come into the picture.
-----Original Message-----
From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 2:24 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
What makes them think it would run hotter just because it's 24 volts
? Also, It's on the cold side of the baffle and shouldn't see much
engine or exhaust heat. No real difference from an AA-5B is there?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
So, I talked to the DER about the AG5B and my cowling. All was go
ing pretty well until he asked what else, besides the air box, was
changed in the AG5B. I told him, "They made it 24 volts." So,
the FAA may want a climb cooling test to see if the alternator on
an AG5B runs hotter than an AA5B.
What a pain in the ass.
-----Original Message-----
From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM
Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 12:41 pm
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
Here is something I ran into last night. The bottom cowling attac
h holes on the late model (Tiger LLC) Tigers do not have the same
spacing as real Tigers. For some reason, the spacing is changed
by 1/8 inch on the outboard holes (the bottom corners and the hol
es near the strut) and as much as 1/2 inch for the holes between
them. What a waste of engineering.
Not only that, but, that means the cowlings are not interchangeable
with AA5Bs. But, then, with the funky inlet, who'd want to?
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| Subject: | Re: Plane Power alternator |
Bill,
I don't have any measurements for the AA1x. So, that would be helpful.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM KELLY <v1rotate@verizon.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 1:52 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power alternator
Gary,
Okay. Also, it will have been five years since Fletcher replaced the flexi
ble fluid lines in the engine compartment, so I think it will be time for
new ones again this year. I recall it as a five year interval. If you ne
ed to take measurements ahead of time for ordering the correct lengths, ma
ybe we could do that on a side trip to Auburn.
Bill
Bill,
During your annual, we'll take your alternator to a place I use and have
them check it. If needed, we'll have them replace diodes. I agree, PP
needs to make, not only a lighter mousetrap, but a better mousetrap. Ot
herwise what's the point? I have a new PP alternator on my shelf for my
plane. If it isn't a better alternative to a Kelly rebuild, then I'm go
ing to stop recommending them.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: Plane Power alternator |
Gary,
I agree with you 100%. PP should at the very least test the
alternator and replace it if noise is present.
Scott Trejo
On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:57 PM, teamgrumman@AOL.COM wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> I've received several reports of good PP alternators. BUT, if there
IS a problem and PPs answer to it is, "That's just the way it is." and
doesn't replace it or tighten up their specs to where SOME are not
noisy, then it's hard for me to recommend the alternator.
>
> Let's put it this way: if I were the President of the company, I
would be making damn sure the product I was selling had zero defects.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 1:17 pm
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Plane Power alternator
>
> I've had a PP alternator on my AA5B for about 3yrs now. It has never
given me any problems at all. No noise or any other problems.
>
> Scott Trejo
> N499GT
> On Apr 13, 2010, at 12:18 PM, G Vogt wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> During your annual, we'll take your alternator to a place I use and
have them check it. If needed, we'll have them replace diodes. I agree,
PP needs to make, not only a lighter mousetrap, but a better mousetrap.
Otherwise what's the point? I have a new PP alternator on my shelf for
my plane. If it isn't a better alternative to a Kelly rebuild, then I'm
going to stop recommending them.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 12:27 PM, "WILLIAM KELLY" <v1rotate@verizon.net>
wrote:
>>
>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> Don't know if you were able to see my post today on the GG
responding to Les Staples minimizing the PP alternator noise issue.
They appear to be in denial about this. The noise really bothers
Allisen when she flys with me. One reason, beyond my own personal
preferences, that I try to keep the plane so nice is so that Allisen has
confidence in the machinery and is comfortable on our trips. It irks me
when something like this noise deal intrudes on that objective. My GG
post stated that there is no way you could have a problem with an
alernator installation unless the unit istelf had issues. Incidentally,
we still want to fly up to Auburn. The weather just hasn't settled down
yet from winter leftovers.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Remember a few months ago when I asked what other's experience was
with PP alternators? At the time, I had installed a new PP alternator
that was very noisy. A couple of other PP owners also wrote to say
theirs was noisy also. My customer sent his alternator to PP to have
them check it. It came back saying it was in specs. It was still very
noisy. He installed an overhauled Kelly alternator that was quiet.
>>>
>>> PP needs to tighten up their specs.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2010, at 12:59 PM, teamgrumman@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're 'negotiating' right now. He has done a lot of modified
alternators and thinks he can by-pass any testing based on his data and
the previous flight test data. Keep your fingers crossed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>>>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2010 6:29 am
>>>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
>>>>
>>>> Gary, I didn't realize that was the case with your baffling. That
sounds like a welcome improvement for accessibility to the alternator.
>>>>
>>>> I realize that logic does not play an important role in their
decision making many times but it sounds like it is your DER that is
making the decision as to whether another cooling test should be run or
not. Doesn't he have the authority to make such a decision based on the
facts and info available?
>>>>
>>>> Cliff
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: teamgrumman@aol.com
>>>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:42 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
>>>>
>>>> The alternator on a Jaguar is open like it was on a Traveler. I
have holes in the cabin heat duct that vent directly on the alternator.
During tests, the alternator was a little warmer, but not by enough to
make a difference.
>>>>
>>>> Cliff, it's the FAA. Logic does not come into the picture.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>>>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 2:24 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What makes them think it would run hotter just because it's 24
volts? Also, It's on the cold side of the baffle and shouldn't see much
engine or exhaust heat. No real difference from an AA-5B is there?
>>>>
>>>> Cliff
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: teamgrumman@aol.com
>>>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:08 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
>>>>
>>>> So, I talked to the DER about the AG5B and my cowling. All was
going pretty well until he asked what else, besides the air box, was
changed in the AG5B. I told him, "They made it 24 volts." So, the FAA
may want a climb cooling test to see if the alternator on an AG5B runs
hotter than an AA5B.
>>>>
>>>> What a pain in the ass.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: teamgrumman@AOL.COM
>>>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 12:41 pm
>>>> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AG5B and the Jaguar cowling
>>>>
>>>> Here is something I ran into last night. The bottom cowling attach
holes on the late model (Tiger LLC) Tigers do not have the same spacing
as real Tigers. For some reason, the spacing is changed by 1/8 inch on
the outboard holes (the bottom corners and the holes near the strut) and
as much as 1/2 inch for the holes between them. What a waste of
engineering.
>>>>
>>>> Not only that, but, that means the cowlings are not interchangeable
with AA5Bs. But, then, with the funky inlet, who'd want to? Right?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | FS: Two RAE Flap actuators |
Ladies and gents,
I acquired two RAE 12V flap actuators from a Grumman (can't remember
which model sorry) some time ago in hopes to use them in a project I had
going. Well things change and I've decided to go another route. So if
your interested or want some pictures email me directly at
carlosh@sec-engr.com.
Carlos in Arizona
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