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4. 09:21 PM - Re: If Royal Dutch Airlines can do it then so can Gary Vogt. I need this STC Gary (923te)
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Okay guys, with all due respect this is probably best worked out between you
two in private.
Best regards,
Jamey
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: AG5B Jaguar
OK, Ned, Let's clarify.
You paid
$8,500 for the cowling.
I also charged you for the things that do not come with the cowling.
$210 for oil cooler hoses because yours were too short to fit the new
baffles.
$38 for a carb inlet duct to convert to the AA5B airbox.
$365 for the hinge assembly for the upper cowling. Not included.
$38 for a stainless steel fuel line to convert to the AA5B airbox.
$36 for SCAT tubing because yours was too short to fit the AA5B airbox
and a reroute for the cowling exit ramps.
------- parts total was $9188.81
$1440 to do the conversion to the AA5B airbox and reroute wires and pressure
hoses away from the carb inlet duct.
$500 for labor to install the cowling.
$450 for paperwork.
----- total labor was $2390
$540 for engineering approval paperwork.
$400 for DER and DAR. Actual cost was $650.
$179 for fuel since your plane was out of gas.
-------outsourced total was $1119.07 which I kept $0 dollars.
$770 in taxes (which I don't keep, I pass along.)
$197 in misc freight, hardware, grease, cleaners, etc. All at cost. None
of which I make money on.
As for the deposit: Who gives a shit what I do with it as long as you get
your cowling? I had the cowling when you got here. I had it mostly fitted
when you got here. The only thing I waited on was hinges (on order when you
arrived), baffles, hoses, and the fuel line. Oh, yea, and approval of the
installation. I forced that through because you were in a hurry.
As for the plug wires not being tight, OOPs.
As for the two flights with Clytie, yea, two flights. One was 7 miles to
Georgetown and the other was 8 miles to Lincoln. We flew to Georgetown for
gas, they had none. We flew to Lincoln to show the DER the installation.
During each flight, we did some speed runs to see that everything was OK.
Mag drop at each run-up was about 75 to 100 rpm. That isn't cause for
alarm. Otherwise, I'd have looked closer to see why. Funny. If I hadn't
flown the plane you'd be pissed that I hadn't done some test flights. Who
pays for fuel for test flights anyway?
As for the wires on the alternator, I've worked on maybe 3 AG5Bs. I'm used
to wires that only fit one way and seeing numbers on the wires. Apparently,
that wasn't a requirement when they made the AG5B. I have the AG5B service
manuals but they are useless. I'm glad you had the wiring diagram.
As for the MT prop approval, you have no idea what I went through to get
that approved.
As for flying with you before the Jaguar cowling, yea, I was pretty
surprised that a stock Tiger with my cowling was faster than your AG5B. I
don't recall checking TAS. All I remember was throttling back so you could
catch up.
As for flying after the install of the Jaguar cowling, we were both about
152 TAS under those conditions.
Ned, I expected differently too.
I sent the baffles and the camloc.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: 923te <923te@att.net>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: AG5B Jaguar
Gary,
I don't know where your coming from at all. I really like your cowl. I liked
following the journey you took to get the cowl to where it is today. I
appreciate your willingness to take on the challenge of getting it installed
on my Tiger.
I don't understand why you are unhappy. I don't understand your math.
You know full well that I paid you $13,665.31 why state otherwise?
Don't you recall flying with me at 152 ktas before the cowl was installed
when I flew a couple hours to help you deliver Martin's plane? Do you
realize that you charged me for the fuel burned in my plane on that trip?
And for the two flights you made with Krytie in my plane. Do you remember,
on your first flight test in my plane, how the engine burbled after take off
over a gorge? And how you left me with a plane that ran rough? And after I
picked the plane up and made that 300nm trip to Oxnard I found #2 AND #4 top
spark plug wires only inserted in the plugs and the hold downs were not
screwed in not even one thread. Guess what, no more rough engine no more
noisy radios after I finished the plug wire install. Do you remember how you
kept changing the deal you made with me on the cowl? How you ask me how the
alternator was wired because you forgot how you took it apart? Do you
remember how you ask me to get MT propeller to write a letter saying your
cowl was okay with their prop? And how you said you would not be able to
sign off on the 337 and I would have to have someone else sign off on it.
How you spoke with my mechanic in Oklahoma about this? Have you forgotten
how you needed $5000 last January in order to have a new cowl built for me
but you ended up using the money on baffles? Gee Gary I could go on but this
should be enough for you to get why I might be a little dissappointed in
you.
Again I'm happy with the cowl. I suppose I just expected a different Gary.
I'm just going to consider that you were not at your best thru this.
As for the speed increase we expected I will continue working to get it. It
has to be there. So I've cleaned the bugs off the plane and double waxed it
and been tweaking on it since I returned from California last Thursday. Soon
as I can I'll do more flight testing and I'm sure we'll evently see the
results from the cowl that we expected.
ned
----- Original Message -----
From: teamgrumman@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: AG5B Jaguar
Ned,
You changed the prop and the cowling at the same time. And you're saying
the cowling made the plane slower? Are you serious? I flew the plane,
remember? I also flew along side of you. At 152 TAS, you're at least 12
knots faster than a stock AG5B.
Ned, you got a hell-of-a-deal on that cowling. $9000 installed. It
shouldn't cost more than $500 to get the outside painted to match. I
painted the inside for you to protect the fiberglass from getting oil
soaked. I exchange, you kept your old cowling and baffles which I usually
keep to recover some of the 50 hours in labor I put into baffles, fitting,
painting and installing the cowling. I could sell cowlings all day long at
$9000 installed if I wanted to go out of business. As it is, I lost $4,500
on your installation alone.
Ned, I'm sorry you're not happy with the cowling. You haven't been happy
with the whole deal since we started. I've gone out-of-my-way to
accommodate you and the installation on your AG5B, including pissing-off my
DER and DAR. Nothing I've done seems to be good enough for you.
If you're not happy with the cowling, sell it to your buddy there in OK for
$10,000. Make a clean $1000 for your effort. All the hard work in fitting
and trimming is done. You still have your original cowling, reinstall it.
His plane would only need (at the most) to have the engine mount shims
adjusted to align the spinner. I'm fairly certain he'd be happy with the
cowling.
Gary
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C'mon Jamey ..... I like a good boxing match once in a while ......
they're just trading facts ..... with a little punch behind it.
I learned something, though. I can't afford that cowl!
Linn
James Courtney wrote:
> Okay guys, with all due respect this is probably best worked out between
> you two in private.
>
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> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Jamey
>
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i agree....tough as it may be both guys gave honest responses and i
certainly learned both some numbers , costs and the importance of a contract even
among friends- D
In a message dated 5/5/2010 10:08:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
--> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Linn Walters
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
C'mon Jamey ..... I like a good boxing match once in a while ......
they're just trading facts ..... with a little punch behind it.
I learned something, though. I can't afford that cowl!
Linn
James Courtney wrote:
> Okay guys, with all due respect this is probably best worked out between
> you two in private.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Jamey
>
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Vogt. I need this STC Gary
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