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This is the third time I've tried to log onto the AYA Forum. Apparently, my account
is blocked, inactive or some other bullshit. I tried creating a new one
and the username was not allowed. Are you kidding me? Then, there is no link
to send an email to the web master. I've tried this Forum off and on for 3
years. Every time I've tried it, it's been a pain in the ass.
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of annual |
Finally back from Asia and can catch up on the posts...
The cost of an annual is not as critical in my eyes as the number of
hours a mechanic has needed to
perform it and the quality of the effort. Whether a mechanic charges
$10.00/hr or $200.00/hr is dependent upon the
speicifics of the mechanic, his/her business model, etc. If someone got
an annual for $400.00 and it took
18 hours to complete (and the work as defined in the Maintenance Manual
was actually performed),
there is nothing wrong with that. If you had an annual that also took
18 hours to complete and it cost
you $3000.00, that's OK too as long as you the quality of the work is
equivalent.
All owners are different in what their level of expectations are, what
level of quality is acceptable, and
how much money they have to spend on their flying hobby. My take is
that I want quality. Plain and
simple, and if it cost me $5,000 to get it so be it. The last place I
want to be is at 5K cruising along and have
something fail due to shoddy workmanship. Last time I looked, there is
no breakdown lane to pull over and
call the tow truck when flying.
I was asked by a local here in SoCal why I fly 3.5 hours to AUN for my
annuals and quality is the simple
answer. I see the results of a "quality" annual vice what I used to get
and it justifies the extra expense of ferrying
up to AUN (not all that bad as it is a nice flight up the foothills of
the Sierra's).
So for those people that Gary and other's have had to deal with looking
for a "quickie, cheap, just get it signed off annual"
should simply accept the fact that Gary and other guru's out there just
don't work that way and need to
go elsewhere.
Keep up the good work Gary and dont ever lower your standards!
Lawrence Massaro
N9186M '92 AG-5B
KRNM
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of annual |
Hey Larry,
Welcome back. I've tried to cut corners. Then, I look at it and say, "If someone
else sees this . . . . . "
Short story:
For Christmas 1996 I bought a 78 Cheetah for $28,000 because it had a lot of
stuff my 77 Cheetah didn't. Both planes had about the same total time. Problem
was, I really liked my Cheetah. The thought of changing wings (to get the
long range tanks), robbing the 78 of all of it's avionics and autopilot, and .
. . . just became too overwhelming. I flew the 78 off and on. It flew nice.
Then, I discovered it had a bad cam. So, time for overhaul. Over the next
few months, I went through the whole plane and installed stuff like an Argus 3000
moving map, GPS, new panel, interior, carpets, etc. With the newly overhauled
engine, it was a sweet plane. One of the F-16 test pilots I worked with
really wanted it. I sold it to him for $48,000 about 2 years after I bought it.
Geoff Hickey has that plane now. I think he's pretty happy with it.
Project X: As soon as the Cheetah in my hangar is finished, today hopefully, I'm
putting 626 into the corner to get the new nose gear torque tube. I've talked
to Dave about the new inlet. He says it's a no brainer. I've heard that
before. But, Project X is next.
Gary
________________________________
From: Lawrence Massaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 10:38:25 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cost of annual
Finally back from Asia and can catch up on the posts...
The cost of an annual is not as critical in my eyes as the number of hours a mechanic
has needed to
perform it and the quality of the effort. Whether a mechanic charges $10.00/hr
or $200.00/hr is dependent upon the
speicifics of the mechanic, his/her business model, etc. If someone got an annual
for $400.00 and it took
18 hours to complete (and the work as defined in the Maintenance Manual was actually
performed),
there is nothing wrong with that. If you had an annual that also took 18 hours
to complete and it cost
you $3000.00, that's OK too as long as you the quality of the work is equivalent.
All owners are different in what their level of expectations are, what level of
quality is acceptable, and
how much money they have to spend on their flying hobby. My take is that I want
quality. Plain and
simple, and if it cost me $5,000 to get it so be it. The last place I want to
be is at 5K cruising along and have
something fail due to shoddy workmanship. Last time I looked, there is no breakdown
lane to pull over and
call the tow truck when flying.
I was asked by a local here in SoCal why I fly 3.5 hours to AUN for my annuals
and quality is the simple
answer. I see the results of a "quality" annual vice what I used to get and it
justifies the extra expense of ferrying
up to AUN (not all that bad as it is a nice flight up the foothills of the Sierra's).
So for those people that Gary and other's have had to deal with looking for a "quickie,
cheap, just get it signed off annual"
should simply accept the fact that Gary and other guru's out there just don't work
that way and need to
go elsewhere.
Keep up the good work Gary and dont ever lower your standards!
Lawrence Massaro
N9186M '92 AG-5B
KRNM
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