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1. 08:02 AM - Going to Oshkosh? (customacprop@AOL.COM)
2. 08:19 AM - Oshkosh Discounts (ArjayS@AOL.COM)
3. 12:05 PM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (Gary Vogt)
4. 12:07 PM - Re: Oshkosh Discounts (Gary Vogt)
5. 12:45 PM - Re: Oshkosh Discounts (ArjayS@AOL.COM)
6. 12:55 PM - Re: AYA 2010 (David Feinstein)
7. 12:59 PM - Re: Oshkosh Discounts (radiohound@AOL.COM)
8. 01:08 PM - Re: Oshkosh Discounts (Brian Hausknecht)
9. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Bob Hodo)
10. 04:11 PM - Re: AYA 2010 (David Feinstein)
11. 04:47 PM - AYA 2012 (Don Metz)
12. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Gary Vogt)
13. 08:22 PM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Gary Vogt)
14. 08:33 PM - Nose gear. (Gary Vogt)
15. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Bob Hodo)
16. 09:44 PM - Re: AYA 2012 (Steve Roberts)
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| Subject: | Going to Oshkosh? |
Hi All,
If you are planning to go to Oshkosh this next week, you might stop at the
MT Propeller booth. It's normally in Hnagar "B".
MT Propeller usually offers an "Oshkosh Special" price. Normally a 10% dis
count, IF YOU ASK FOR A DISCOUNT.
Unfortunately, I won't be there this year. I only have 22.6 hours of the 4
0 hours required onmy aircraft (HR2 type aircraft).
And I am still having issues with oil temperature (high in the green arc) a
nd fuel pressure (low without the electric pump on).
Of course, this is while I'm trying to get the piston rings seated while ru
nning full throttle at 4,500' and 5,500'.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
An MT Propeller distributor
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Discounts |
Further Specific Lighting Query
IF (please note this is a conditional conjunction) we kept the current
BoomBeam=84=A2 system and offered TWO systems at Oshkosh. Our current
system at a
reduced price of say $600 and our new system at $1399. Who would be intere
sted
in which?
I'm not going to do a sales pitch here. The new system is a new technology
HID with 65% more light volume. There are other features like low weight,
smaller, etc but that's for another discussion.
I just want to measure interest. I'll start a list of names. If it gets to
be a long list, i'll offer the reduced price. At the least it will tell me
where to concentrate our efforts. Lemme know.
Thanks and Cheers!
Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Oshkosh? |
I wish I had a lot of spare dollars. I'd attend all of these flying events.
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From: "customacprop@aol.com" <customacprop@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 8:01:22 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh?
Hi All,
If you are planning to go to Oshkosh this next week, you might stop at the MT
Propeller booth. It's normally in Hnagar "B".
MT Propeller usually offers an "Oshkosh Special" price. Normally a 10%
discount, IF YOU ASK FOR A DISCOUNT.
Unfortunately, I won't be there this year. I only have 22.6 hours of the 40
hours required onmy aircraft (HR2 type aircraft).
And I am still having issues with oil temperature (high in the green arc) and
fuel pressure (low without the electric pump on).
Of course, this is while I'm trying to get the piston rings seated while running
full throttle at 4,500' and 5,500'.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
An MT Propeller distributor
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Discounts |
$1400 would buy a new Transponder. or JPI with fuel flow. or new plastic
=0Ainterior. or a 406 ELT. =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: "ArjayS@aol.com" <ArjayS@aol.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics
.com=0ASent: Wed, July 21, 2010 8:19:05 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Osh
kosh Discounts=0A=0AFurther Specific Lighting Query=0A=0AIF(please note thi
s is a conditional conjunction) we kept the current BoomBeam=84=A2 =0Asy
stem and offered TWO systems at Oshkosh. Our current system at a reduced pr
ice =0Aof say $600 and our new system at $1399. Who would be interested in
which? =0A=0AI'm not going to do a sales pitch here. The new system is a ne
w technology HID =0Awith 65% more light volume. There are other features li
ke low weight, smaller, =0Aetc but that's for another discussion.=0A=0AI ju
st want to measure interest. I'll start a list of names. If it gets to be a
=0Along list, i'll offer the reduced price. At the least it will tell me w
here to =0Aconcentrate our efforts. Lemme know.=0A=0AThanks and Cheers!=0AR
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Discounts |
In a message dated 7/21/10 3:08:01 PM, teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM writes:
$1400 would buy a new Transponder. -or JPI with fuel flow. -or new pla
stic
interior. -or a 406 ELT. -
OR ....1400 one dollar meals at MickeyD's. I can't argue about the dollars
.
It just depends upon what's important to you. So far we have four guys who
want the existing system AND four guys who want the high output system. I'
m
not certain yet what that means. I could make up an explaination that soun
ds
good, but I think I'll wait until all the data is in....
Cheers!
Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
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# We got back from the Dayton AYA Convention about noon on Friday.
We got back 4 PM yesterday. Took the long way home.
# Transportation: There was no transportation to and from the
# Dayton international airport.
I don't think any convention has ever provided transportation to a different
airport, but I've only been involved for a few years. Maybe an airborne
shuttle would be a suggestion for a new volunteer activity. I think it's
probably too complicated to work well, because GA and airlines are segregated
at airports like DAY.
# The Air Force Museum: No where, anywhere I looked anyway, was
# there ANY information on the experimental planes at the Museum.
This seems to be one of the museum's more closely held secrets. The trick is
to show up early in the morning and go directly to make your transport
reservation. Nothing to do with the AYA convention, but an unfortunate
"feature" of the National Museum of the US Air Force.
# The most interesting experience was observing behaviors. I guess
# I had noticed before, but it never totally sunk in. Ron Levy,
# walking toward me, did an abrupt "eyes right" about 10 feet
# before passing in an effort to avoid eye contact I guess.
Don't feel special about that. I got the same treatment several times, even
in a small group out by the runway to measure spot landings. No idea what's
up with that, but I won't lose any sleep over it.
----------------------------------------
Like Gary, I enjoy re-connecting with old friends and meeting new ones at
these conventions. Mine is a different circle, probably because of my late
introduction to AYA and my lesser stature in Grumman Land. But they're
all good people, at least the ones I know. As for the rude people, they're
the ones I don't need to know. Fortunately, they are few in this
organization.
I missed one thing in particular. At every other convention I've attended,
somebody announced the location of the convention two years hence. This has
been part of the program at the farewell banquet, which Gary missed but I did
not. Is this because
- nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West
- nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or
- something else?
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Discounts |
Hello RJ:
I can be in for the $600 one but no more ..sadly ...
-f-
-----Original Message-----
From: ArjayS@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Oshkosh Discounts
In a message dated 7/21/10 3:08:01 PM, teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM writes:
$1400 would buy a new Transponder. or JPI with fuel flow. or new plastic
interior. or a 406 ELT.
OR ....1400 one dollar meals at MickeyD's. I can't argue about the dollars
. It just depends upon what's important to you. So far we have four guys
who want the existing system AND four guys who want the high output syste
m. I'm not certain yet what that means. I could make up an explaination th
at sounds good, but I think I'll wait until all the data is in....
Cheers!
Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Discounts |
Just got the JPI with fuel flow as part of my annual. $1400 doesn't
even cover the cost of parts.
But it seems to be a fair value for the cost.
Unfortumately, the finance committee says that's it for planned
improvements for this year (at least till she forgets...)
--Brian
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> $1400 would buy a new Transponder. or JPI with fuel flow. or new plastic
> interior. or a 406 ELT.
> ________________________________
> From: "ArjayS@aol.com" <ArjayS@aol.com>
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 8:19:05 AM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Oshkosh Discounts
>
> Further Specific Lighting Query
>
> IF (please note this is a conditional conjunction) we kept the current
> BoomBeam system and offered TWO systems at Oshkosh. Our current system at a
> reduced price of say $600 and our new system at $1399. Who would be
> interested in which?
> I'm not going to do a sales pitch here. The new system is a new technology
> HID with 65% more light volume. There are other features like low weight,
> smaller, etc but that's for another discussion.
>
> I just want to measure interest. I'll start a list of names. If it gets to
> be a long list, i'll offer the reduced price. At the least it will tell me
> where to concentrate our efforts. Lemme know.
>
> Thanks and Cheers!
> Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Lisp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re: AYA 2010 |
Is this because
- - - nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West
- - - nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or
- - - something else?
I think Dayton was a Central location, and SSI will be an Eastern location
so, if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again be a Ce
ntral location, and the convention won't go "West" again until 2013.
Bob Hodo
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# I think Dayton was a Central location, and SSI will be an Eastern
# location so, if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention
# would again be a Central location, and the convention won't go
# "West" again until 2013.
You're absolutely right. I'd still like to know where it will be.
Considering where I think the membership lives (including the US and Canada,
sorry for excluding the Southern Hemisphere), the most central location of all
seems to be in southern Nebraska or northern Kansas. So, let's look at
distances to Kearney, Nebraska, just for reference:
SAN San Diego 994 NM
AUG Augusta, Maine 1302 NM
SEA Seattle 1077 NM
YYC Calgary 877 NM
T82 Fredericksburg, Tex. 629 NM
OSH Oshkosh 502 NM
TPA Tampa, Fla. 1115 NM
YSSY Sydney, Australia 7516 NM
LHR London, England 3861 NM
Except for Europe and Australia, all of these are within one day's Grumman
flying. Maybe we should be looking at Kansas City. There's a recent
convention chairman in the vicinity, and I'm sure he's running and ducking if
he's reading this. We went to the convention that Don co-chaired in Iowa,
and had a ball. We also thoroughly enjoyed exploring the Midwest, which is
much more interesting than people from both US coasts think it to be.
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AYA 2012, KOSH, right after the big show. AYA 2013 out west- if there is
a volunteer team...
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| Subject: | Re: re: AYA 2010 |
Hi Dave,
I know lots of Daves. I have 21 Daves in my cell phone. It's really crowded in
there.
I was surprised that the hotel didn't service anything beyond 5 miles. The DAY
airport was not close enough. I was pissed at myself, mostly, for not planning
the trip earlier. Roscoe told me to look at the schedule before I made my
reservations. I didn't of course. Showing up at DAY and not being able to get
to the hotel was a real pain in the ass. If not for Roscoe, Hal & Vickie, and
Garner, we'd have to buy a $60 taxi ride. HINT: At the next convention, AYA or
GOPA, make the arrangements of someone wants to save a few buck and show up in
a
flying bus.
I had been to the museum in 1986. I saw the X-planes then. I was surprised
that there is no info on the X-planes if the casual tourist wanted to see them.
Perhaps, since Roscoe lives there, he didn't think about the extra effort to go
to the X-planes. None-the-less, now I need to go back.
Gary
________________________________
From: David Feinstein <david@newlangsyne.com>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 12:54:32 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010
<david@newlangsyne.com>
# We got back from the Dayton AYA Convention about noon on Friday.
We got back 4 PM yesterday. Took the long way home.
# Transportation: There was no transportation to and from the
# Dayton international airport.
I don't think any convention has ever provided transportation to a different
airport, but I've only been involved for a few years. Maybe an airborne
shuttle would be a suggestion for a new volunteer activity. I think it's
probably too complicated to work well, because GA and airlines are segregated
at airports like DAY.
# The Air Force Museum: No where, anywhere I looked anyway, was
# there ANY information on the experimental planes at the Museum.
This seems to be one of the museum's more closely held secrets. The trick is
to show up early in the morning and go directly to make your transport
reservation. Nothing to do with the AYA convention, but an unfortunate
"feature" of the National Museum of the US Air Force.
# The most interesting experience was observing behaviors. I guess
# I had noticed before, but it never totally sunk in. Ron Levy,
# walking toward me, did an abrupt "eyes right" about 10 feet
# before passing in an effort to avoid eye contact I guess.
Don't feel special about that. I got the same treatment several times, even
in a small group out by the runway to measure spot landings. No idea what's
up with that, but I won't lose any sleep over it.
----------------------------------------
Like Gary, I enjoy re-connecting with old friends and meeting new ones at
these conventions. Mine is a different circle, probably because of my late
introduction to AYA and my lesser stature in Grumman Land. But they're
all good people, at least the ones I know. As for the rude people, they're
the ones I don't need to know. Fortunately, they are few in this
organization.
I missed one thing in particular. At every other convention I've attended,
somebody announced the location of the convention two years hence. This has
been part of the program at the farewell banquet, which Gary missed but I did
not. Is this because
- nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West
- nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or
- something else?
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| Subject: | Re: re: AYA 2010 |
So, it will be 8 years since an AYA convention was in the west.
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From: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:57:10 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010
Is this because
- nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West
- nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or
- something else?
I think Dayton was a Central location, and SSI will be an Eastern location so,
if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again be a Central
location, and the convention won't go "West" again until 2013.
Bob Hodo
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Background: 1991 AG5B Tiger, 4400 TTAF. Known prop strike in 1999. Been
annualed by the folks in Columbia, CA since 1990-something.
I did the annual on this plane and noticed the nose gear boot was crushed. I
mean smashed against the cowling. I measured distance to the tip of the spinner
on my plane then then to the tip on the AG. The AG was about 3 inches lower.
I
bounced the nose and, well, I think I heard something. Not quite sure.
So, several months ago, I started pulling this plane apart to get to the nose
gear torque tube. Based on angle measurements Garner gave me, something was
wrong. I finally got the torque tube out today. What a pain. I'm thinking
splined shafts like the torsion bar suspension on my Tahoe would be a better
idea. Then it would all come apart without removing everything in the plane.
I've had too much fun today. Time for NCIS and Unit reruns.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: re: AYA 2010 |
Yeah, I don't know, Gary.- The Rockies have been a headache for east-west
travel for quite a while now, I guess.- I dropped in for a day and a hal
f at Baraboo.- I have stayed far away from AYA politics and policies beca
use I have been neck deep in that kind of thing in a previous life.
Of over 50,000 people who have been members of the National Knife Collector
's Association, (NKCA) yours truly is the only one who was ever kicked out.
I was the youngest person ever elected to their board of directors.- I'm
not sure if they exist anymore.- One of the most controversial things th
at ever came up was a name change for the outfit.- Go figure.
But it taught me a lot about human behavior.- It is strange to me that pe
ople will spend money like water when it is not their money.- It is stran
ge to me that even businesses don't put themselves inside the head of their
target audience to see if a purchase from them would make sense at all.-
Garmin, for example, has gone out it's way to make it clear to me that I a
m an idiot if I ever buy anything from them, and they will treat me like on
e.
I belong to the AYA out of a sense of obligation to them, not because of an
y service they provide for me.- I plan to remain a silent supporter.- I
get along well with, and enjoy the company of most of the people I have me
t there.- Some of the one's I cannot hold a conversation with are still a
source of amusement.
And I love the airplane.
Bob Hodo
GADsden, AL
cheetaaahhh
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010
So, it will be 8 years since an AYA convention was in the west. -
From: Bob Hodo <bob.hodo@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:57:10 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010
=0AIs this because
- - - nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West
- - - nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or
- - - something else?
I think Dayton was a Central location, and SSI will be an Eastern location
so, if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again be a Ce
ntral location, and the convention won't go "West" again until 2013.
Bob Hodo
=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A =0A
=0A=0A=0A
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Don is correct 2012 is just after OSH. It was up in the air as to whether i
t would start on Monday just after everyone leaves or jive the place/native
s a day or two to dry out.
I've been given feedback on both sides and can see how folks could want it
either way. If I took a week off to be at OSH for the EAA air show and anot
her week t be at AYA's convention I'm not sure I'd want a couple of days be
tween with nothing to do. That is what I way feeling at MGY before I left f
or home. Now that I'm home I'm glad I'm off work til next week to recover f
rom burning the candle at both ends at the convention. See what getting ove
r 50 does to ya... LOL And my flight home was short=2C just one fuel stop w
ith 30kt tail winds all the way... :)
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
We shall not cease from exploration.
And at the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive were we started
And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot
> Date: Wed=2C 21 Jul 2010 17:47:27 -0600
> From: xwe@shaw.ca
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AYA 2012
>
> AYA 2012=2C KOSH=2C right after the big show. AYA 2013 out west- if there
is
> a volunteer team...
>
>
>
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