---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/22/10: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Re: AYA 2010 (David Feinstein) 2. 03:55 AM - Re: AYA 2012 (Linn Walters) 3. 04:13 AM - Re: AYA 2012 (Linn Walters) 4. 04:16 AM - Latest count - lights (ArjayS@AOL.COM) 5. 05:53 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (923te) 6. 05:57 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (923te) 7. 08:50 AM - Re: Latest count - lights (Mike Boyd) 8. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Gary Vogt) 9. 10:52 AM - Re: AYA 2012 (Gary Vogt) 10. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Gary Vogt) 11. 10:56 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (Gary Vogt) 12. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Gary Vogt) 13. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Gary Vogt) 14. 11:28 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (923te) 15. 11:43 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (Gary Vogt) 16. 11:53 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (923te) 17. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: AYA 2010 (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:53 AM PST US From: "David Feinstein" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 # if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again # be a Central location, and the convention won't go "West" again # until 2013. ... # So, it will be 8 years since an AYA convention was in the west. Red Deer (2009), same longitude as Las Vegas. West <> California However, I would not argue with the assertion that Dayton was more "east" than "central." ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:42 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AYA 2012 Steve Roberts wrote: > Don is correct 2012 is just after OSH. It was up in the air as to > whether it would start on Monday just after everyone leaves or jive the > place/natives a day or two to dry out. snip I was under the impression that the bylaws required that we hold our event at a non-towered airport. Am I wrong? If I'm right, why are we holding the convention at OSH which has a tower, and not FLD (Fond Du Lac), a non-towered airport 13 miles away??? Don't want to start a war, but I'm curious. Linn ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:18 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AYA 2012 Must be too early .... should have gone to Guy Warner. Sorry. Linn Walters wrote: > > > > > Steve Roberts wrote: >> Don is correct 2012 is just after OSH. It was up in the air as to >> whether it would start on Monday just after everyone leaves or jive >> the place/natives a day or two to dry out. > > snip > > I was under the impression that the bylaws required that we hold our > event at a non-towered airport. Am I wrong? > > If I'm right, why are we holding the convention at OSH which has a > tower, and not FLD (Fond Du Lac), a non-towered airport 13 miles away??? > > Don't want to start a war, but I'm curious. > Linn > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:45 AM PST US From: ArjayS@AOL.COM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Latest count - lights This is completely NOT what I expected.... (which I suppose is the reason to do a survey in the first place) Here's the current count Keep the old with reduced price - 6 New system with high output - 6 Want to Trade in to new system - 4 (Yes, an Trade in is possible for a very reduced price. Just let me think on it a bit). Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:44 AM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? Hi Jim I've broken in several sets of new rings and always had high oil temps several hours in until the rings are set. I've been flight testing the cut down prop. I have an hour and a half worth of data at my usual race parameters and find RPMs from 2650 to 2850 give speeds either 1 knot. There may have been a slight increase in top speed but it's hard to tell. I'm seeing 148TAS at 4500DA where I used to see 152 So far I think I've proven to myself that this prop currently maxs out at around 2650 RPM and increasing RPM doesn't seem to increase speed I hate to think of all the trouble it is to reinstall he old blades. But the data is tending to say to me to go that way..... Ned Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:01 AM, customacprop@aol.com wrote: > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:16 AM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? Also, the engine builder guys have told me that a few years ago Lycoming's n ew fuel pump were not as good as their old ones Perhaps yours us a new one that fits into their comments. If so try an ok'd o ne Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:01 AM, customacprop@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > If you are planning to go to Oshkosh this next week, you might stop at the MT Propeller booth. It's normally in Hnagar "B". > > MT Propeller usually offers an "Oshkosh Special" price. Normally a 10% di scount, IF YOU ASK FOR A DISCOUNT. > > Unfortunately, I won't be there this year. I only have 22.6 hours of the 4 0 hours required onmy aircraft (HR2 type aircraft). > And I am still having issues with oil temperature (high in the green arc) a nd fuel pressure (low without the electric pump on). > Of course, this is while I'm trying to get the piston rings seated while r unning full throttle at 4,500' and 5,500'. > > Regards, > Jim Ayers > Less Drag Products, Inc. > An MT Propeller distributor > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Latest count - lights From: Mike Boyd Hey RJ, In case you need another data point. I currently have the older Boom Beam light in my Cheetah and am quite happy with it. Well, guess I would have liked to have purchased it for a reduced price...but...such is the way things go with early adoption. ;-) I think keeping the old light around with a reduced price would be worthwhile for you. I find the light I have is a VAST improvement over the original bulb. While I'm sure the new ones are even brighter, I can't say I'd really consider going with that...especially if there is a big price difference. Even if I were purchasing one new for the first time (and knowing how my current one performs). When my current light lights up the grain fields around the airport when I'm on downwind at night and can be seen quite clearly during the day...it just doesn't seem that "more power" is necessary or worth a significant cost delta. Anyway...that's my opinion...for your survey. Thanks for "asking the market". -Mike ------ Michael Boyd '76 AA5A On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:13 AM, wrote: > This is completely NOT what I expected.... > (which I suppose is the reason to do a survey in the first place) > Here's the current count > > Keep the old with reduced price - 6 > New system with high output - 6 > Want to Trade in to new system - 4 > > (Yes, an Trade in is possible for a very reduced price. Just let me think on > it a bit). > > Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:38 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Hi Bob, Ahh, yes, the Rockies. For the first 21 years of my life, 12,000 mountains were my security blanket. My first solo cross country (in an AA1B) was from Salt Lake City to Burley, Idaho and back. For the first 4 years after I got my pilots license, I never leveled off below 5500 feet. After I got my pilots license, my plane of choice were Cheetahs, 26661, 9833U, 26685, and 26266. I felt uncomfortable flying below 6500 feet. (real easy to join the mile high club . . . . . ) A quick flight for me was to Rock Springs, Wyoming (Wild-oming). I can't even begin to describe the hours I spent scud-running in the mountains East of Salt Lake City. I routinely flew over 12,000 foot mountains to the East to 'buzz' my folks while they were fishing at Strawberry Reservoir, Echo Reservoir, Rockport Reservoir, and many others. In the winter, I'd fly up to Alta, Snow Bird, Park City, and other ski resorts (sometimes at night) to watch the skiers. In the early 80's, I flew to Concorde, California to visit a friend. Concorde is at sea-level. It took 3 attempts to get close enough to land. The air was so fat at sea-level that I couldn't get down. From Concorde, I flew to Merced (where I was stationed in the Air Force) to visit another friend. Merced is at 188 feet. I climbed out of Concorde to 7500 feet to fly the 180 miles to Merced. "People don't actually fly at 3500 feet! Do they?" It took me a long time to get down from 7500 feet once I got to Merced. On another trip in the early 80's, a friend and I flew to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I can tell you there is nothing quite as breath taking as seeing mountains rising over 8,000 feet above the valley floor. If you never do anything else, go see the Grand Tetons of Wyoming. In 2002, I flew my Citabria from Lancaster, CA to the AYA in Cody, Wyoming. I met up with three Grummans flying from SoCal to Cody. We all spent the night in Salt Lake City. The 3 Grummans were going to fly toward Cheyenne to avoid the highest mountains. I planned to fly direct. My goal: stay below 10,500 feet. Somewhere in the middle of Wyoming, I flew at 250 AGL over a farm on top of a mountain. Eventually, I had to go to 11,700 to clear the final range into Cody. I beat the Grummans to Cody by 2 hours. I'll bet if you climbed to 12,000 feet over Florida, you could see both coasts. Gary ________________________________ From: Bob Hodo Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 8:58:42 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Yeah, I don't know, Gary. The Rockies have been a headache for east-west travel for quite a while now, I guess. I dropped in for a day and a half at Baraboo. I have stayed far away from AYA politics and policies because I have been neck deep in that kind of thing in a previous life. Of over 50,000 people who have been members of the National Knife Collector's Association, (NKCA) yours truly is the only one who was ever kicked out. I was the youngest person ever elected to their board of directors. I'm not sure if they exist anymore. One of the most controversial things that ever came up was a name change for the outfit. Go figure. But it taught me a lot about human behavior. It is strange to me that people will spend money like water when it is not their money. It is strange to me that even businesses don't put themselves inside the head of their target audience to see if a purchase from them would make sense at all. Garmin, for example, has gone out it's way to make it clear to me that I am an idiot if I ever buy anything from them, and they will treat me like one. I belong to the AYA out of a sense of obligation to them, not because of any service they provide for me. I plan to remain a silent supporter. I get along well with, and enjoy the company of most of the people I have met there. Some of the one's I cannot hold a conversation with are still a source of amusement. And I love the airplane. Bob Hodo GADsden, AL cheetaaahhh --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Gary Vogt wrote: >From: Gary Vogt >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:22 PM > > >So, it will be 8 years since an AYA convention was in the west. > > ________________________________ From: Bob Hodo >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:57:10 PM >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 > > >Is this because > - nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West > - nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or > - something else? > >I think Dayton was a Central location, and SSI will be an Eastern location so, >if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again be a Central >location, and the convention won't go "West" again until 2013. > >Bob Hodo > > > > http: --> http://forums.matrowww.matronics.com/contribution> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:32 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AYA 2012 Well, if my spare money gets heavier, I'll certainly be there in '12. I went to Oshkosh in '08. Lotsa fun. ________________________________ From: Steve Roberts Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:42:54 PM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: AYA 2012 Don is correct 2012 is just after OSH. It was up in the air as to whether it would start on Monday just after everyone leaves or jive the place/natives a day or two to dry out. I've been given feedback on both sides and can see how folks could want it either way. If I took a week off to be at OSH for the EAA air show and another week t be at AYA's convention I'm not sure I'd want a couple of days between with nothing to do. That is what I way feeling at MGY before I left for home. Now that I'm home I'm glad I'm off work til next week to recover from burning the candle at both ends at the convention. See what getting over 50 does to ya... LOL And my flight home was short, just one fuel stop with 30kt tail winds all the way... :) Steve Roberts AA1B - 641HY @ ILG AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin We shall not cease from exploration. And at the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive were we started And know the place for the first time - T. S. Eliot > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:47:27 -0600 > From: xwe@shaw.ca > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AYA 2012 > > AYA 2012, KOSH, right after the big show. AYA 2013 out west- if there is > a volunteer team... > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:04 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Red Deer was North. ________________________________ From: David Feinstein Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 3:15:11 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 # if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again # be a Central location, and the convention won't go "West" again # until 2013. ... # So, it will be 8 years since an AYA convention was in the west. Red Deer (2009), same longitude as Las Vegas. West <> California However, I would not argue with the assertion that Dayton was more "east" than "central." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:40 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? what do you mean by 'cut-down prop'? ________________________________ From: 923te <923te@att.net> Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 5:53:23 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? Hi Jim I've broken in several sets of new rings and always had high oil temps several hours in until the rings are set. I've been flight testing the cut down prop. I have an hour and a half worth of data at my usual race parameters and find RPMs from 2650 to 2850 give speeds either 1 knot. There may have been a slight increase in top speed but it's hard to tell. I'm seeing 148TAS at 4500DA where I used to see 152 So far I think I've proven to myself that this prop currently maxs out at around 2650 RPM and increasing RPM doesn't seem to increase speed I hate to think of all the trouble it is to reinstall he old blades. But the data is tending to say to me to go that way..... Ned Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:01 AM, customacprop@aol.com wrote: > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:57 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Hi Bob, Ahh, yes, the Rockies. For the first 21 years of my life, 12,000 mountains were my security blanket. My first solo cross country (in an AA1B) was from Salt Lake City to Burley, Idaho and back. For the first 4 years after I got my pilots license, I never leveled off below 5500 feet. After I got my pilots license, my plane of choice were Cheetahs, 26661, 9833U, 26685, and 26266. I felt uncomfortable flying below 6500 feet. (real easy to join the mile high club . . . . . ) A quick flight for me was to Rock Springs, Wyoming (Wild-oming). I can't even begin to describe the hours I spent scud-running in the mountains East of Salt Lake City. I routinely flew over 12,000 foot mountains to the East to 'buzz' my folks while they were fishing at Strawberry Reservoir, Echo Reservoir, Rockport Reservoir, and many others. In the winter, I'd fly up to Alta, Snow Bird, Park City, and other ski resorts (sometimes at night) to watch the skiers. In the early 80's, I flew to Concorde, California to visit a friend. Concorde is at sea-level. It took 3 attempts to get close enough to land. The air was so fat at sea-level that I couldn't get down. From Concorde, I flew to Merced (where I was stationed in the Air Force) to visit another friend. Merced is at 188 feet. I climbed out of Concorde to 7500 feet to fly the 180 miles to Merced. "People don't actually fly at 3500 feet! Do they?" It took me a long time to get down from 7500 feet once I got to Merced. On another trip in the early 80's, a friend and I flew to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I can tell you there is nothing quite as breath taking as seeing mountains rising over 8,000 feet above the valley floor. If you never do anything else, go see the Grand Tetons of Wyoming. In 2002, I flew my Citabria from Lancaster, CA to the AYA in Cody, Wyoming. I met up with three Grummans flying from SoCal to Cody. We all spent the night in Salt Lake City. The 3 Grummans were going to fly toward Cheyenne to avoid the highest mountains. I planned to fly direct. My goal: stay below 10,500 feet. Somewhere in the middle of Wyoming, I flew at 250 AGL over a farm on top of a mountain. Eventually, I had to go to 11,700 to clear the final range into Cody. I beat the Grummans to Cody by 2 hours. I'll bet if you climbed to 12,000 feet over Florida, you could see both coasts. Gary ________________________________ From: Bob Hodo Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 8:58:42 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Yeah, I don't know, Gary. The Rockies have been a headache for east-west travel for quite a while now, I guess. I dropped in for a day and a half at Baraboo. I have stayed far away from AYA politics and policies because I have been neck deep in that kind of thing in a previous life. Of over 50,000 people who have been members of the National Knife Collector's Association, (NKCA) yours truly is the only one who was ever kicked out. I was the youngest person ever elected to their board of directors. I'm not sure if they exist anymore. One of the most controversial things that ever came up was a name change for the outfit. Go figure. But it taught me a lot about human behavior. It is strange to me that people will spend money like water when it is not their money. It is strange to me that even businesses don't put themselves inside the head of their target audience to see if a purchase from them would make sense at all. Garmin, for example, has gone out it's way to make it clear to me that I am an idiot if I ever buy anything from them, and they will treat me like one. I belong to the AYA out of a sense of obligation to them, not because of any service they provide for me. I plan to remain a silent supporter. I get along well with, and enjoy the company of most of the people I have met there. Some of the one's I cannot hold a conversation with are still a source of amusement. And I love the airplane. Bob Hodo GADsden, AL cheetaaahhh --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Gary Vogt wrote: >From: Gary Vogt >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:22 PM > > >So, it will be 8 years since an AYA convention was in the west. > > ________________________________ From: Bob Hodo >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:57:10 PM >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 > > >Is this because > - nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West > - nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or > - something else? > >I think Dayton was a Central location, and SSI will be an Eastern location so, >if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again be a Central >location, and the convention won't go "West" again until 2013. > >Bob Hodo > > > > http: --> http://forums.matrowww.matronics.com/contribution> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:20 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Hi Bob, Ahh, yes, the Rockies. For the first 21 years of my life, 12,000 mountains were my security blanket. My first solo cross country (in an AA1B) was from Salt Lake City to Burley, Idaho and back. For the first 4 years after I got my pilots license, I never leveled off below 5500 feet. After I got my pilots license, my plane of choice were Cheetahs, 26661, 9833U, 26685, and 26266. I felt uncomfortable flying below 6500 feet. (real easy to join the mile high club . . . . . ) A quick flight for me was to Rock Springs, Wyoming (Wild-oming). I can't even begin to describe the hours I spent scud-running in the mountains East of Salt Lake City. I routinely flew over 12,000 foot mountains to the East to 'buzz' my folks while they were fishing at Strawberry Reservoir, Echo Reservoir, Rockport Reservoir, and many others. In the winter, I'd fly up to Alta, Snow Bird, Park City, and other ski resorts (sometimes at night) to watch the skiers. In the early 80's, I flew to Concorde, California to visit a friend. Concorde is at sea-level. It took 3 attempts to get close enough to land. The air was so fat at sea-level that I couldn't get down. From Concorde, I flew to Merced (where I was stationed in the Air Force) to visit another friend. Merced is at 188 feet. I climbed out of Concorde to 7500 feet to fly the 180 miles to Merced. "People don't actually fly at 3500 feet! Do they?" It took me a long time to get down from 7500 feet once I got to Merced. On another trip in the early 80's, a friend and I flew to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I can tell you there is nothing quite as breath taking as seeing mountains rising over 8,000 feet above the valley floor. If you never do anything else, go see the Grand Tetons of Wyoming. In 2002, I flew my Citabria from Lancaster, CA to the AYA in Cody, Wyoming. I met up with three Grummans flying from SoCal to Cody. We all spent the night in Salt Lake City. The 3 Grummans were going to fly toward Cheyenne to avoid the highest mountains. I planned to fly direct. My goal: stay below 10,500 feet. Somewhere in the middle of Wyoming, I flew at 250 AGL over a farm on top of a mountain. Eventually, I had to go to 11,700 to clear the final range into Cody. I beat the Grummans to Cody by 2 hours. I'll bet if you climbed to 12,000 feet over Florida, you could see both coasts. Gary ________________________________ From: Bob Hodo Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 8:58:42 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Yeah, I don't know, Gary. The Rockies have been a headache for east-west travel for quite a while now, I guess. I dropped in for a day and a half at Baraboo. I have stayed far away from AYA politics and policies because I have been neck deep in that kind of thing in a previous life. Of over 50,000 people who have been members of the National Knife Collector's Association, (NKCA) yours truly is the only one who was ever kicked out. I was the youngest person ever elected to their board of directors. I'm not sure if they exist anymore. One of the most controversial things that ever came up was a name change for the outfit. Go figure. But it taught me a lot about human behavior. It is strange to me that people will spend money like water when it is not their money. It is strange to me that even businesses don't put themselves inside the head of their target audience to see if a purchase from them would make sense at all. Garmin, for example, has gone out it's way to make it clear to me that I am an idiot if I ever buy anything from them, and they will treat me like one. I belong to the AYA out of a sense of obligation to them, not because of any service they provide for me. I plan to remain a silent supporter. I get along well with, and enjoy the company of most of the people I have met there. Some of the one's I cannot hold a conversation with are still a source of amusement. And I love the airplane. Bob Hodo GADsden, AL cheetaaahhh --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Gary Vogt wrote: >From: Gary Vogt >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:22 PM > > >So, it will be 8 years since an AYA convention was in the west. > > ________________________________ From: Bob Hodo >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:57:10 PM >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 > > >Is this because > - nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West > - nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or > - something else? > >I think Dayton was a Central location, and SSI will be an Eastern location so, >if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again be a Central >location, and the convention won't go "West" again until 2013. > >Bob Hodo > > > > http: --> http://forums.matrowww.matronics.com/contribution> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:11 AM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? Gary, You know me. Always experimenting. I hate how Matronics doesn't let you reply to an individual. My email wasn't meant for the list. All I can say now is that it's always fun to try new th ings on the Tiger..... Ned On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > what do you mean by 'cut-down prop'? > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:42 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? what prop are you cutting down? ________________________________ From: 923te <923te@att.net> Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 11:18:10 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? Gary, You know me. Always experimenting. I hate how Matronics doesn't let you reply to an individual. My email wasn't meant for the list. All I can say now is that it's always fun to try new things on the Tiger..... Ned On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: what do you mean by 'cut-down prop'? > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:04 AM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? It's always fun to try new things on the Tiger..... Ned Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > what prop are you cutting down? > > > From: 923te <923te@att.net> > To: "teamgrumman-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 11:18:10 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Going to Oshkosh? > > Gary, > You know me. Always experimenting. > I hate how Matronics doesn't let you reply to an individual. My email wasn 't meant for the list. All I can say now is that it's always fun to try new t hings on the Tiger..... > Ned > > On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > >> what do you mean by 'cut-down prop'? >> > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:47 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 this finally came through. I'd given up. ________________________________ From: Gary Vogt Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 10:50:12 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Hi Bob, Ahh, yes, the Rockies. For the first 21 years of my life, 12,000 mountains were my security blanket. My first solo cross country (in an AA1B) was from Salt Lake City to Burley, Idaho and back. For the first 4 years after I got my pilots license, I never leveled off below 5500 feet. After I got my pilots license, my plane of choice were Cheetahs, 26661, 9833U, 26685, and 26266. I felt uncomfortable flying below 6500 feet. (real easy to join the mile high club . . . . . ) A quick flight for me was to Rock Springs, Wyoming (Wild-oming). I can't even begin to describe the hours I spent scud-running in the mountains East of Salt Lake City. I routinely flew over 12,000 foot mountains to the East to 'buzz' my folks while they were fishing at Strawberry Reservoir, Echo Reservoir, Rockport Reservoir, and many others. In the winter, I'd fly up to Alta, Snow Bird, Park City, and other ski resorts (sometimes at night) to watch the skiers. In the early 80's, I flew to Concorde, California to visit a friend. Concorde is at sea-level. It took 3 attempts to get close enough to land. The air was so fat at sea-level that I couldn't get down. From Concorde, I flew to Merced (where I was stationed in the Air Force) to visit another friend. Merced is at 188 feet. I climbed out of Concorde to 7500 feet to fly the 180 miles to Merced. "People don't actually fly at 3500 feet! Do they?" It took me a long time to get down from 7500 feet once I got to Merced. On another trip in the early 80's, a friend and I flew to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I can tell you there is nothing quite as breath taking as seeing mountains rising over 8,000 feet above the valley floor. If you never do anything else, go see the Grand Tetons of Wyoming. In 2002, I flew my Citabria from Lancaster, CA to the AYA in Cody, Wyoming. I met up with three Grummans flying from SoCal to Cody. We all spent the night in Salt Lake City. The 3 Grummans were going to fly toward Cheyenne to avoid the highest mountains. I planned to fly direct. My goal: stay below 10,500 feet. Somewhere in the middle of Wyoming, I flew at 250 AGL over a farm on top of a mountain. Eventually, I had to go to 11,700 to clear the final range into Cody. I beat the Grummans to Cody by 2 hours. I'll bet if you climbed to 12,000 feet over Florida, you could see both coasts. Gary ________________________________ From: Bob Hodo Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 8:58:42 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 Yeah, I don't know, Gary. The Rockies have been a headache for east-west travel for quite a while now, I guess. I dropped in for a day and a half at Baraboo. I have stayed far away from AYA politics and policies because I have been neck deep in that kind of thing in a previous life. Of over 50,000 people who have been members of the National Knife Collector's Association, (NKCA) yours truly is the only one who was ever kicked out. I was the youngest person ever elected to their board of directors. I'm not sure if they exist anymore. One of the most controversial things that ever came up was a name change for the outfit. Go figure. But it taught me a lot about human behavior. It is strange to me that people will spend money like water when it is not their money. It is strange to me that even businesses don't put themselves inside the head of their target audience to see if a purchase from them would make sense at all. Garmin, for example, has gone out it's way to make it clear to me that I am an idiot if I ever buy anything from them, and they will treat me like one. I belong to the AYA out of a sense of obligation to them, not because of any service they provide for me. I plan to remain a silent supporter. I get along well with, and enjoy the company of most of the people I have met there. Some of the one's I cannot hold a conversation with are still a source of amusement. And I love the airplane. Bob Hodo GADsden, AL cheetaaahhh --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Gary Vogt wrote: >From: Gary Vogt >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:22 PM > > >So, it will be 8 years since an AYA convention was in the west. > > ________________________________ From: Bob Hodo >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:57:10 PM >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: re: AYA 2010 > > >Is this because > - nobody is willing to put a meeting together in the West > - nobody is willing to put a meeting together at all, or > - something else? > >I think Dayton was a Central location, and SSI will be an Eastern location so, >if my understanding is correct, the 2012 convention would again be a Central >location, and the convention won't go "West" again until 2013. > >Bob Hodo > > > > http: --> http://forums.matrowww.matronics.com/contribution> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.