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1. 12:49 PM - Re: You have your 10 (grumpyparts)
2. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: You have your 10 (Hosler, John)
3. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: You have your 10 (ArjayS@AOL.COM)
4. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: You have your 10 (Gary Vogt)
5. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: You have your 10 (Gary Vogt)
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| Subject: | Re: You have your 10 |
Heres my take on it. The Jaguar Cowl is a great upgrade, but it does need the Power
Flow exhaust and is limited only to the Tiger fleet. This does limit the
market some what. What the AA5 fleet in general is crying out for is for a one
cowl fits all models with as few chances as possible between them all. May be
thats a little simplistic and the fleet a little too old and low in overall value
to justify that sort of outlay, but that is what is needed.
At Dayton I discussed with RJ why they didnt combine their new nose bowls with
a complete new fibre cowling to the original design and the answer seemed to be
development costs would be too high for the limited market. Therefore the question
has to be asked if just making a fibre/carbon copy of the existing cowling
cant be justified how can one financially justify making a completely new
design.
Ian M
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| Subject: | Re: You have your 10 |
Along a similar vein, could a variation of the Jaguar cowl be made that does not
require the Power Flow?? Would more FAA involvement be needed?
I have read that the Power Flow alone increases oil temp by 12 F. True?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of grumpyparts
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: You have your 10
Heres my take on it. The Jaguar Cowl is a great upgrade, but it does need the Power
Flow exhaust and is limited only to the Tiger fleet. This does limit the
market some what. What the AA5 fleet in general is crying out for is for a one
cowl fits all models with as few chances as possible between them all. May be
thats a little simplistic and the fleet a little too old and low in overall value
to justify that sort of outlay, but that is what is needed.
At Dayton I discussed with RJ why they didnt combine their new nose bowls with
a complete new fibre cowling to the original design and the answer seemed to be
development costs would be too high for the limited market. Therefore the question
has to be asked if just making a fibre/carbon copy of the existing cowling
cant be justified how can one financially justify making a completely new
design.
Ian M
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307372#307372
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| Subject: | Re: You have your 10 |
> Ian
> You ask a valid question. This industry runs on passion not common sense
.
Read GaryVogt's posts. Even if he paid himself 50 cents an hour (he paid
himslef nothing) for developing and bringing his cowl to market and even
if he
wrote off the YEARS it took him to do that. (I think 7 years at least).
Again, he again paid himself nothing to push it through the FAA certificat
ion
program (also years), he is still losing money with every cowl he sells.
Ask
him. He's a good guy, he'll tell you the tale to market. He's trying to se
ed
the market but there a very finite market to seed.
I'm in love with Grummans and I have the aircraft to prove it. But we
Grumman owners are not Cirrus owners and we cheerfully admit it. We won't/
can't
justify $12,000 that Cirrus owners pay for cowls.
Gary is trying to sell his cowl at $8000 and it's the bargain of the
century. We're just not the kind of crowd that can dig that deep.
Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
>
> Here=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s my take on it. The Jaguar Cowl is a great
upgrade, but it does
> need the Power Flow exhaust and is limited only to the Tiger fleet. This
> does limit the market some what. What the AA5 fleet in general is crying
out
> for is for a one cowl fits all models with as few chances as possible
> between them all. May be that=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a little simplist
ic and the fleet a little too
> old and low in overall value to justify that sort of outlay, but that is
> what is needed.
> At Dayton I discussed with RJ why they didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t com
bine their new nose
> bowls with a complete new fibre cowling to the original design and the
answer
> seemed to be development costs would be too high for the limited market.
> Therefore the question has to be asked if=C2- just making a fibre/carb
on copy
> of the existing cowling can=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t be justified how ca
n one financially
> justify making a completely new design.=C2-
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: You have your 10 |
I have an idea Ian. Buy my entire cowling project for what I have in it,
=0A$150,000 U.S. and I'll have the money needed to develop a cowling that n
ot only =0Afits the Cheetah, but is interchangeable with the Tiger and Trav
eler as well. =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: grumpyp
arts <i.r.m@btinternet.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tu
e, August 3, 2010 12:49:17 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: You have you
ternet.com>=0A=0AHere=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s my take on it. The Jaguar Co
wl is a great upgrade, but it does need the =0APower Flow exhaust and is li
mited only to the Tiger fleet. This does limit the =0Amarket some what. Wha
t the AA5 fleet in general is crying out for is for a one =0Acowl fits all
models with as few chances as possible between them all. May be =0Athat=C3
=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a little simplistic and the fleet a little too old a
nd low in overall =0Avalue to justify that sort of outlay, but that is what
is needed. =0A=0AAt Dayton I discussed with RJ why they didn=C3=A2=82
=AC=84=A2t combine their new nose bowls =0Awith a complete new fibre cow
ling to the original design and the answer seemed =0Ato be development cost
s would be too high for the limited market. Therefore the =0Aquestion has t
o be asked if just making a fibre/carbon copy of the existing =0Acowling c
an=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t be justified how can one financially justify ma
king a completely =0Anew design. =0A=0A=0A=0AIan M=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this
topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3073
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| Subject: | Re: You have your 10 |
There is no way the Power Flow exhaust system can increase the oil temp.
=0A=0AMy original design had the factory exhaust system. All of those draw
ings are =0Aalready approved. I would need about $10,000 for the test prog
ram to approve =0Athe stock exhaust. I would need to complete a series of
climb-cooling tests, =0Acarb heat rise tests, and climb performance tests.
=0A=0ALook at the pic. It has the stock cowling.=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: "Hosler, John" <JHOSLER@epri.com>=0ATo: teamgru
mman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, August 3, 2010 1:00:06 PM=0ASubject: R
E: TeamGrumman-List: Re: You have your 10=0A=0A--> TeamGrumman-List message
posted by: "Hosler, John" <JHOSLER@epri.com>=0A=0AAlong a similar vein, co
uld a variation of the Jaguar cowl be made that does not =0Arequire the Pow
er Flow?? Would more FAA involvement be needed?=0A=0AI have read that the
Power Flow alone increases oil temp by 12 F. True?=0A=0A-----Original Mess
age-----=0AFrom: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:own
er-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of grumpyparts=0ASent:
Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:49 PM=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASub
ject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: You have your 10=0A=0A--> TeamGrumman-List mess
age posted by: "grumpyparts" <i.r.m@btinternet.com>=0A=0AHere=C3=A2=82
=AC=84=A2s my take on it. The Jaguar Cowl is a great upgrade, but it doe
s need the =0APower Flow exhaust and is limited only to the Tiger fleet. Th
is does limit the =0Amarket some what. What the AA5 fleet in general is cry
ing out for is for a one =0Acowl fits all models with as few chances as pos
sible between them all. May be =0Athat=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s a little si
mplistic and the fleet a little too old and low in overall =0Avalue to just
ify that sort of outlay, but that is what is needed. =0A=0AAt Dayton I disc
ussed with RJ why they didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t combine their new nose
bowls =0Awith a complete new fibre cowling to the original design and the
answer seemed =0Ato be development costs would be too high for the limited
market. Therefore the =0Aquestion has to be asked if just making a fibre/c
arbon copy of the existing =0Acowling can=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t be justi
fied how can one financially justify making a completely =0Anew design.
=0A=0A=0A=0AIan M=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://fo
rums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307372#307372=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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