---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/10/10: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:23 AM - Re: You have your 10 (Gary Vogt) 2. 11:29 AM - Re: You have your 10 (ArjayS@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:18 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: You have your 10 Hi RJ, I would be willing to talk to Kevin as a group. There are a number of items that need to be addressed in my opinion. Thanks Gary ________________________________ From: "ArjayS@aol.com" Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 10:56:37 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: You have your 10 Gary Good to hear from you. I think you're right about "nosebowl". Actually, I would like to find a name as creative as Roys (Hubba Caps, Wow Cowls, Boom Beams). Maybe "The Jimmy Durante". I really agree about the pain points. Here is what I think. Personally, I would approach Kevin Lancaster and make a deal for every new aircraft. I'm guessing you already have. (But that's just a guess). I think we all need to talk to Kevin and offer to see what we can do to help, because if he actually starts producing aircraft, we all benefit. Wanna talk to other suppliers and see if we can do anything as a group? Rj Hi RJ, > >Good to see business is going well. You really should call it a nose bowl >though. Though, saying you sell a cowling does sound sexier than selling a nose >bowl. > >I've already price my cowling so low I can't afford to lower the price. If I >dropped the price 20%, I wouldn't make any money at all. The baffles alone, for >one cowling, costs me $550. For a while, I was offering to install and paint my >cowling for $10,000. I got 4 takers at that price. I lost about $4000 to $5000 >on each installation. Even now, after it's PMA'd and I can ship the parts, no >takers at $8500. > >I have a theory about that. > >All plane owners have, in the back of their mind, this need to fix something on, >or add something to, their plane. Whether it needs it or not. Each owner has a >dollar amount that they plan to spend. They may not be conscience of it, but >they do. They have an amount of agony points they are willing to spend. Agony >points are the points spent, say, removing panels to install something they just >bought, taking off the cowling or wheel pants, taking the plane to the avionics >shop, to the FBO for annual, or building a whole plane. For example: I know of >one guy who has a plane project that will take years to complete. The very last >thing he needs right now is the engine. But, he has a brand new engine sitting >on the floor, wrapped in plastic, waiting for his plane to be finished. Why? > He has the money to buy the engine; he doesn't have the agony points to put it >all together. > >Take your landing light for example. Great idea. No one really needs to see >100 yards ahead while taxiing at 30 mph, but, it doesn't take many agony points >to install one. And it looks cool. They could better use those dollars toward >an upgrade to their instrument panel. Get rid of that 30 year old Narco Com 11. > But, then, there are those nagging agony points to take the plane to the shop, >have them open it up, keep it for a few days, and replace the radio. With the >landing light, they can be cool in a few hours. > >Take removing old wires for example. The shop says, "I can remove your DME for >$1000. It'll take about a day." The owner says, "That much, huh. Really that >long?" "Well, tell you what, you're a good customer. I can put Juan on it this >afternoon and have it out for $500." "Great. It's a deal." So, instead of >removing the DME, the associated wires, the coax and antenna, the fuse/circuit >breaker and grounds, the shop slides the unit out, removes the tray, puts in a >blank, and just like magic, no DME. Of course, the owner has no clue what >antenna went to what and doesn't care. For all he knows, the DME is gone. > That's all he cares about. > >I removed 8 coax comm cables from one plane. "8" They just went under the >panel that had been cut from either end and the middle wire tie was still there, >holding the coax. > >At Oshkosh, there are all sorts of gadgets for the plane and airplane owner from >$10 to $10,000. Each dollar range has something for the unconscious dollar >limit and each carries its own required agony points to see through to >completion. My Jaguar cowling is $8500. But, there are a lot of agony points >involved in getting it installed and painted. > >So, I'm working on something that costs less and requires few agony points. > > From:"ArjayS@aol.com" To:grumman-gang@mailman.xmission.com; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent:Sat, July 31, 2010 6:37:36 AM Subject:TeamGrumman-List: You have your 10 Hi Guys!! The good news is we have our 10 cowls spoken for. I will contact everyone and with permission publish the list. This is a great style="position:fixed"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:04 AM PST US From: ArjayS@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: You have your 10 Great! Let's list the areas where we and others can help then see if we can creat e a group where everyone benefits. I'm not married to doing a cowl, ther's a lot of stuff than can be done. The prototype Tiger achieved 177mph in leve l flight. > Hi RJ, I would be willing to talk to Kevin as a group. -There are a > number of items that need to be addressed in my opinion. > > Thanks > Gary > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.