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Because it does not meet type design of course. You know that.
Garner
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
yea=2C why not?
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon=2C August 16=2C 2010 1:35:20 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
You're not really going to put that in an AG5B are you?
Garner
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
This is the torque tube for 626FT
I painted the floor in white Imron.
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Like I was saying. It doesn't meet type design. So you say=2C so what. Mos
t planes don't meet type design. I'm ok with that too. But here you go putt
ing on public record that you are putting a nose gear torque tube (FAA deem
ed critical component) in this plane and you're very proud of it hence the
detailed paint job. Now=2C lets drift into the future a few years when tha
t plane has been sold "Bubba and Buford". These guys fly as well as penguin
s and have a bad landing where the nose gear collapses. You can ask the bot
h of them and they will swear they greased the landing. Keep in mind this i
s the age of :un-accountability." Did I mention that Bubba went to ACME SCH
OOL OF LAW? It's one thing to alter the type design and not say a word or
log book entry=2C but to paint an obvious incorrect part and install. Hmmm
=2C kinda of like taking a drug test and forgetting to wipe the white powde
r off your nose.
What you are putting in your AG5B is a 702065-502. What is correct is the 7
02065-505. The reason for the -505 was because the 502 had its share of des
igned weaknesses. Even the spares that were produced for the AA series were
the -505. What does that tell you.
BTW=2C I cant remember the last time I had to assume the "Grumman position"
and say "Golley wez=2C its so perty down here=2C I thank I'll stay a while
and honey=2C hand me my beer and make me a sandwich=2C cuz I like the scen
ery . :)
Garner
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
yea=2C why not?
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon=2C August 16=2C 2010 1:35:20 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
You're not really going to put that in an AG5B are you?
Garner
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
This is the torque tube for 626FT
I painted the floor in white Imron.
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Good Morning Garner,
Wow. You're in a mood. Do you need some attention?
I didn't put part numbers on the internet as to what torque tube I was
installing. You did. Thanks Garner. I appreciate that. Of the, oh, say, 10
people on this list, none of them would know by looking at it (except possibly
Bob Stewart if he's still on this list) that it came from an earlier plane.
As for the later torque tubes being a better design, I'm not sure I agree. The
early torque tubes used real metal-to-metal bonding techniques, not fuel tank
sealant and extra bolts. I'm replacing a so-called 'improved' -505 that had
failed. You yourself told me some of the AG5B torque tubes failed due to not
being assembled/bonded correctly. Obviously, the extra bolts don't help that
much. I was all for sending this -502 to you and getting it rebuilt or
exchanged. Remember? I recall you telling me to just install it the AG.
Garner, seriously, how many times have you assumed the Grumman position?
True, probably 100% of the plane owners out there don't care what the floor
looks like under the pedals. I've seen 30+ years of dirt, lint, wire ties,
hardware, light bulbs, dog hair, hair clips, money, gum, and weeds all gummed
together with spilled brake fluid (5606) under the rudder bars and torque tube.
You're right, who cares? Who looks at it? Well, I do. As for the floor being
painted gloss white: trying to wipe up spilled oil on a surface painted with
rattle can flat black is almost useless. Maybe if it looks better under there,
someone will bother to keep it clean.
Type design. That's a good one. If you install a Davtron clock, your plane
doesn't meet type design. Moving the clock from where it was originally
installed does not meet type design without an approved POH supplement. Crash
with that and see if anyone notices. Painting the face (the side facing the
pilot) of the prop with rattle can paint does not meet type design. Polished
prop blades don't meet type design. All of the Cheetahs out there with 6 ply
tires don't meet type design. Overlays. Leather interiors without a weight and
balance change. Hell, the factory W&B doesn't meet it's on specs.
But, I'll have to agree with you. There are a lot of idiots out there waiting
to sue someone. So, before the Project X plane is sold, I'll change the torque
tube. Either that, or get a field approval.
Love ya, ya big lug.
________________________________
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 7:38:07 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
Like I was saying. It doesn't meet type design. So you say, so what. Most
planes don't meet type design. I'm ok with that too. But here you go putting on
public record that you are putting a nose gear torque tube (FAA deemed critical
component) in this plane and you're very proud of it hence the detailed paint
job. Now, lets drift into the future a few years when that plane has been sold
"Bubba and Buford". These guys fly as well as penguins and have a bad landing
where the nose gear collapses. You can ask the both of them and they will swear
they greased the landing. Keep in mind this is the age of :un-accountability."
Did I mention that Bubba went to ACME SCHOOL OF LAW? It's one thing to alter
the type design and not say a word or log book entry, but to paint an obvious
incorrect part and install. Hmmm, kinda of like taking a drug test and
forgetting to wipe the white powder off your nose.
What you are putting in your AG5B is a 702065-502. What is correct is the
702065-505. The reason for the -505 was because the 502 had its share of
designed weaknesses. Even the spares that were produced for the AA series were
the -505. What does that tell you.
BTW, I cant remember the last time I had to assume the "Grumman position" and
say "Golley wez, its so perty down here, I thank I'll stay a while and
honey, hand me my beer and make me a sandwich, cuz I like the scenery . :)
Garner
________________________________
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:04:26 -0700
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
yea, why not?
________________________________
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 1:35:20 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
You're not really going to put that in an AG5B are you?
Garner
________________________________
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:03:03 -0700
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
This is the torque tube for 626FT
I painted the floor in white Imron.
List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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<Good Morning Garner=2C>
<Wow. You're in a mood. Do you need some attention?>
I'm always in a good mood as long as the meds do their job
I didn't put part numbers on the internet as to what torque tube I was inst
alling. You did. Thanks Garner. I appreciate that.
Glad I could help. That is what I'm here for. :) (I think that is the sym
bol for a grin or ha ha)
Of the=2C oh=2C say=2C 10 people on this list=2C none of them would know
by looking at it (except possibly Bob Stewart if he's still on this list) t
hat it came from an earlier plane.
Bob is good=2C but considering the last 5000 came painted black=2C I'm thin
king just about anybody would suspect blue.
As for the later torque tubes being a better design=2C I'm not sure I agree
. The early torque tubes used real metal-to-metal bonding techniques=2C no
t fuel tank sealant and extra bolts.
Same bonding process were used on all the torque tubes=2C The bolts were to
strengthen the assembly and has done a very nice job. The polysulfide was
not used as the bonding agent. It was used to seal the fillets arond the bo
nd joints and the bolts.
I'm replacing a so-called 'improved' -505 that had failed. You yourself to
ld me some of the AG5B torque tubes failed due to not being assembled/bonde
d correctly. Obviously=2C the extra bolts don't help that much. I was all
for sending this -502 to you and getting it rebuilt or exchanged. Remembe
r? I recall you telling me to just install it the AG.
I do remember a stumbling block of sorts=2C=2C what was it? oh=2C it was po
wder coating.
Garner=2C seriously=2C how many times have you assumed the Grumman position
?
I do that on a regular basis right after I tell my wife the dress she is we
aring makes her look fat!
True=2C probably 100% of the plane owners out there don't care what the flo
or looks like under the pedals. I've seen 30+ years of dirt=2C lint=2C wir
e ties=2C hardware=2C light bulbs=2C dog hair=2C hair clips=2C money=2C gum
=2C and weeds all gummed together with spilled brake fluid (5606) under the
rudder bars and torque tube. You're right=2C who cares? Who looks at it?
Well=2C I do. As for the floor being painted gloss white: trying to wipe
up spilled oil on a surface painted with rattle can flat black is almost u
seless. Maybe if it looks better under there=2C someone will bother to kee
p it clean.
Type design. That's a good one. If you install a Davtron clock=2C your pl
ane doesn't meet type design. Moving the clock from where it was originall
y installed does not meet type design without an approved POH supplement.
Ok=2C if an approval is accquired by STC or 337=2C wouldn't that be incorpo
rated into the Type design? Another unrelated question=2C how can a supplem
ent be required to the POH when the POH is not required for the aircraft? C
an you just put it in the POH and leave it at home. Its in the POH as requi
red.
That was one of the rigged preflight things. The wrong POH/OM was in the ai
rcraft. Right or wrong=2C it wasn't required.
Crash with that and see if anyone notices. Painting the face (the side f
acing the pilot) of the prop with rattle can paint does not meet type desig
n. Polished prop blades don't meet type design. All of the Cheetahs out t
here with 6 ply tires don't meet type design. Overlays. Leather interiors
without a weight and balance change. Hell=2C the factory W&B doesn't meet
it's on specs.
But=2C I'll have to agree with you. There are a lot of idiots out there wa
iting to sue someone.
So=2C before the Project X plane is sold=2C I'll change the torque tube.
Either that=2C or get a field approval.
Last question=2C will it still be blue?
Love ya=2C ya big lug.
Back at ya brother
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue=2C August 17=2C 2010 7:38:07 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
Like I was saying. It doesn't meet type design. So you say=2C so what. Mos
t planes don't meet type design. I'm ok with that too. But here you go putt
ing on public record that you are putting a nose gear torque tube (FAA deem
ed critical component) in this plane and you're very proud of it hence the
detailed paint job. Now=2C lets drift into the future a few years when tha
t plane has been sold "Bubba and Buford". These guys fly as well as penguin
s and have a bad landing where the nose gear collapses. You can ask the bot
h of them and they will swear they greased the landing. Keep in mind this i
s the age of :un-accountability." Did I mention that Bubba went to ACME SCH
OOL OF LAW? It's one thing to alter the type design and not say a word or
log book entry=2C but to paint an obvious incorrect part and install. Hmmm
=2C kinda of like taking a drug test and forgetting to wipe the white powde
r off your nose.
What you are putting in your AG5B is a 702065-502. What is correct is the 7
02065-505. The reason for the -505 was because the 502 had its share of des
igned weaknesses. Even the spares that were produced for the AA series were
the -505. What does that tell you.
BTW=2C I cant remember the last time I had to assume the "Grumman position"
and say "Golley wez=2C its so perty down here=2C I thank I'll stay a while
and honey=2C hand me my beer and make me a sandwich=2C cuz I like the scen
ery . :)
Garner
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
yea=2C why not?
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon=2C August 16=2C 2010 1:35:20 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
You're not really going to put that in an AG5B are you?
Garner
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Torque tube
This is the torque tube for 626FT
I painted the floor in white Imron.
List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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