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1. 01:24 AM - Re: Portable GPS Question (Tom Quinn)
2. 05:01 AM - Re: Portable GPS Question (Dwork, Robert)
3. 08:15 AM - Tiger Air Vent Replacement (Tom Quinn)
4. 09:37 AM - Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement (grumpyparts)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement (Tom Quinn)
6. 11:22 AM - Re: Portable GPS Question (Bruce Smith)
7. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement (Gary Vogt)
8. 12:48 PM - Re: repairing grumman wings (Gary Vogt)
9. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement (Tom Quinn)
10. 01:09 PM - Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement (grumpyparts)
11. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement (Gary Vogt)
12. 01:26 PM - Re: repairing grumman wings (second try) (Gary Vogt)
13. 04:02 PM - Re: grumman wing (Anthony Dymond)
14. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement ()
15. 05:40 PM - Re: grumman wing (flyv35b)
16. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement (Dean White)
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| Subject: | Portable GPS Question |
Have you taken a look at the GPS mounts at www.gpsbracket.com? He has many
sizes of brackets designed for Grummans that attach to the windshield frame.
I have one in my Tiger that I have a Flight Cheetah 190 attached to and I'm
pretty happy with it.
Tom Quinn
249RR
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n32romeo@AOL.COM
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Portable GPS Question
I too have been using an Airmap (1000) for many years and have been looking
around for a replacement in the next year or so. I have been looking at the
iFly, but just have not figured out how I would mount it, as it is bigger
then the Airmap. I am not ready to pay Garmin prices for a VFR GPS.
In the same size frame (or maybe a bit bigger) is the IPad, which has many
aviation apps available, but still the same issue of where to mount it?...
Rich Harrison
AA-1B N1632Romeo - fresh engine O/H :)
C-182 N52992 - down for engine O/H... :(
Dog is my Co-Pilot
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy <andy747@charter.net>
Sent: Sun, Sep 5, 2010 8:39 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Portable GPS Question
Check out the iFly 700 at Adventure pilot....great moving map with
sectionals, IFR charts and approaches....and Walter has a Gumman....good
dollar value and user friendly.
Andy Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Boyce" <tscott165@cableone.net>
>
> I have had a Lowrance Airmap 2000C for about 6 years. Apparently Lowrance
> is totally out of the aviation business and no longer providing database >
updates.
>
> Scott Boyce
> AA5B
> Boise, Id
>
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| Subject: | Portable GPS Question |
I have my iFly 700 attached to a Dillon bracket using a RAM arm and articul
ator to get it just right. Photos available upon request. I love the iFly b
ut powering the unit is an issue as it has no internal battery. I solved th
e problem by having a DC outlet installed next to the mag switch.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tom Quinn
Sent: Mon 9/6/2010 4:14 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Portable GPS Question
Have you taken a look at the GPS mounts at www.gpsbracket.com? He has many
sizes of brackets designed for Grummans that attach to the windshield frame.
I have one in my Tiger that I have a Flight Cheetah 190 attached to and I'm
pretty happy with it.
Tom Quinn
249RR
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n32romeo@AOL.COM
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Portable GPS Question
I too have been using an Airmap (1000) for many years and have been looking
around for a replacement in the next year or so. I have been looking at the
iFly, but just have not figured out how I would mount it, as it is bigger
then the Airmap. I am not ready to pay Garmin prices for a VFR GPS.
In the same size frame (or maybe a bit bigger) is the IPad, which has many
aviation apps available, but still the same issue of where to mount it?...
Rich Harrison
AA-1B N1632Romeo - fresh engine O/H :)
C-182 N52992 - down for engine O/H... :(
Dog is my Co-Pilot
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy <andy747@charter.net>
Sent: Sun, Sep 5, 2010 8:39 am
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Portable GPS Question
Check out the iFly 700 at Adventure pilot....great moving map with
sectionals, IFR charts and approaches....and Walter has a Gumman....good
dollar value and user friendly.
Andy Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Boyce" <tscott165@cableone.net>
>
> I have had a Lowrance Airmap 2000C for about 6 years. Apparently Lowrance
> is totally out of the aviation business and no longer providing database >
updates.
>
> Scott Boyce
> AA5B
> Boise, Id
>
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| Subject: | Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
The air vents in my 1977 Tiger need replaced. Where is the best place to
purchase the vents and how do you replace them? Thanks
Tom Quinn
249RR
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
Hi Tom, please confirm which vents you wish to replace. Windshield defrosters, front seat fresh air vents or rear seat fresh air vents. Fletchair have good reasonably priced, after market, better replacements for the defrosters. Excel-Air Services have their new PMA defrosters available now at $150 a pair and front seat air vents at $250 a pair, check them out at http://www.excelairservices.com/New%20Air%20Vents.htm
Now for the really bad news, if its new rear vents that you are after, you had
better have deep pockets, they are available, but the last price I had for them
was over $200 a piece. No one I know of stocks them, lead time from manufacture
is many weeks, so best option is to search ebay or salvaged yards for used
ones.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311540#311540
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
Thanks,
They are the front seat fresh air vents just under the yoke.
Do they just pop out or do you need to unbolt/screw the hole unit to change
them?
Tom Quinn
249RR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
grumpyparts
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement
Hi Tom, please confirm which vents you wish to replace. Windshield
defrosters, front seat fresh air vents or rear seat fresh air vents.
Fletchair have good reasonably priced, after market, better replacements for
the defrosters. Excel-Air Services have their new PMA defrosters available
now at $150 a pair and front seat air vents at $250 a pair, check them out
at http://www.excelairservices.com/New%20Air%20Vents.htm
Now for the really bad news, if its new rear vents that you are after, you
had better have deep pockets, they are available, but the last price I had
for them was over $200 a piece. No one I know of stocks them, lead time from
manufacture is many weeks, so best option is to search ebay or salvaged
yards for used ones.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311540#311540
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| Subject: | Re: Portable GPS Question |
I'll second Andy's comments. I too, love my iFly 700. Works great. I'm a Mac guy,
and would love to own the iPad, but the iFly was cheaper. I use my old Lowrance
AirMap 300 yoke mount. Works great in the Tiger I rent. Surprisingly, it
worked great in the Cherokee I rode in today; slower, but still worked fine.
I put velcro on the back to mate it up to the Lowrance mount. Might be able to
find this mount on eBay.
Bruce Smith
On Sep 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Andy wrote:
>
> Check out the iFly 700 at Adventure pilot....great moving map with sectionals,
IFR charts and approaches....and Walter has a Gumman....good dollar value and
user friendly.
>
> Andy Thomas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Scott Boyce" <tscott165@cableone.net>
> To: "Grumman List" <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 9:54 AM
> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Portable GPS Question
>
>
>>
>> I have had a Lowrance Airmap 2000C for about 6 years. Apparently Lowrance is
totally out of the aviation business and no longer providing database updates.
>>
>> I am shopping for a replacement. Besides the usual Garmin units does anyone
have any experience with the Bendix AV8OR or the Anywhere Map Quadra?
>>
>> Scott Boyce
>> AA5B
>> Boise, Id
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
What is wrong with the vents under your yoke?
They just pop out.
I don't think they are available any more.
You can clean them up with a sand blaster. Then, mask and spray them with
clear. They look pretty good.
________________________________
From: Tom Quinn <quinn_tom@tqiinc.com>
Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 9:49:30 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement
Thanks,
They are the front seat fresh air vents just under the yoke.
Do they just pop out or do you need to unbolt/screw the hole unit to change
them?
Tom Quinn
249RR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
grumpyparts
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement
Hi Tom, please confirm which vents you wish to replace. Windshield
defrosters, front seat fresh air vents or rear seat fresh air vents.
Fletchair have good reasonably priced, after market, better replacements for
the defrosters. Excel-Air Services have their new PMA defrosters available
now at $150 a pair and front seat air vents at $250 a pair, check them out
at http://www.excelairservices.com/New%20Air%20Vents.htm
Now for the really bad news, if its new rear vents that you are after, you
had better have deep pockets, they are available, but the last price I had
for them was over $200 a piece. No one I know of stocks them, lead time from
manufacture is many weeks, so best option is to search ebay or salvaged
yards for used ones.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311540#311540
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| Subject: | Re: repairing grumman wings |
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
There's no tension on the grills anymore. You open them and they close
themselves off again. Wasn't sure how they came off and was afraid I'd break
them. I'll pop them off and "eyeball" them to see what I can do to keep them
from closing off by themselves. Cheaper than $250 plus shipping. Thanks!
Tom Quinn
President
TQI Solutions
A SDVOSB Corporation
Tel (757) 204-4618
Cell (757) 573-6818
Fax (757) 204-4628
quinn_tom@tqiinc.com
www.tqiinc.com
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement
What is wrong with the vents under your yoke?
They just pop out.
I don't think they are available any more.
You can clean them up with a sand blaster. Then, mask and spray them with
clear. They look pretty good.
_____
From: Tom Quinn <quinn_tom@tqiinc.com>
Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 9:49:30 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement
Thanks,
They are the front seat fresh air vents just under the yoke.
Do they just pop out or do you need to unbolt/screw the hole unit to change
them?
Tom Quinn
249RR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
grumpyparts
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:37 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement
Hi Tom, please confirm which vents you wish to replace. Windshield
defrosters, front seat fresh air vents or rear seat fresh air vents.
Fletchair have good reasonably priced, after market, better replacements for
the defrosters. Excel-Air Services have their new PMA defrosters available
now at $150 a pair and front seat air vents at $250 a pair, check them out
at http://www.excelairservices.com/New%20Air%20Vents.htm
Now for the really bad news, if its new rear vents that you are after, you
had better have deep pockets,
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
Not sure how these pictures will be presented on the mailing list, but probably
viewed better on the forum site using link below.
The existing vents are held in place by four pegs on each corner which are a snap
fit into spring retainers that are a push fit into the fresh airbox.
A thin bladed screwdriver should be used to leaver out each corner as per the
picture.
Care must be taken if you want to remove the vents without snapping off any of
the pegs, although chances are if the vent is loose in the airbox that some have
already broken off.
If any pegs break off in the spring retainers these need removing before trying
to remove the retainers from the airbox. Do this by pushing the broken peg into
the box, dont try pulling it out. Next using narrow nosed pliers compress
the lugs on the retaining springs so that they can be carefully removed from the
front of the airbox.
The new air vents from Excel are a direct replacement and have pegs which will
fit in the existing holes, but are used purely as locators not retainers. On each
side of the new vents there are spring lugs that will snap into the sides
of the airbox opening.
Here is the airbox ready to accept a new EXCEL vent.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311569#311569
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
sand blasting the grills leaves sand in the pivot points. It'll work OK fo
r a =0Awhile. I have also made little rubber shims for the sides of the mo
vable vents. =0A This increases the drag on the grill enough to make it wor
k.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tom Quinn <quinn_tom
@tqiinc.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, September 6,
2010 1:04:51 PM=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replac
ement=0A=0A =0AThere=99s no tension on the grills anymore. You open t
hem and they close =0Athemselves off again. Wasn=99t sure how they ca
me off and was afraid I=99d break =0Athem. I=99ll pop them off
and =9Ceyeball=9D them to see what I can do to keep them =0Afro
m closing off by themselves. Cheaper than $250 plus shipping. Thanks!=0A
=0ATom Quinn=0APresident=0ATQI Solutions=0AA SDVOSB Corporation=0ATel (757)
204-4618=0ACell (757) 573-6818=0AFax (757) 204-4628=0Aquinn_tom@tqiinc.com
=0Awww.tqiinc.com=0A =0AFrom:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
=0A[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary V
ogt=0ASent: Monday, September 06, 2010 3:14 PM=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matro
nics.com=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement=0A
=0AWhat is wrong with the vents under your yoke? =0A =0AThey just pop out
.=0A =0AI don't think they are available any more. =0A =0AYou can clean th
em up with a sand blaster. Then, mask and spray them with =0Aclear. They
look pretty good.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Tom
Quinn <quinn_tom@tqiinc.com>=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: M
on, September 6, 2010 9:49:30 AM=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger
nn" <quinn_tom@tqiinc.com>=0A=0AThanks,=0A They are the front
seat fresh air vents just under the yoke.=0ADo they just pop out or do you
need to unbolt/screw the hole unit to change=0Athem?=0A=0ATom Quinn=0A249RR
=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@m
atronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Beha
lf Of=0Agrumpyparts=0ASent: Monday, September 06, 2010 12:37 PM=0ATo: teamg
rumman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Tiger Air Vent R
m@btinternet.com>=0A=0AHi Tom, please confirm which vents you wish to repla
ce. Windshield=0Adefrosters, front seat fresh air vents or rear seat fresh
air vents.=0AFletchair have good reasonably priced, after market, better re
placements for=0Athe defrosters. Excel-Air Services have their new PMA defr
osters available=0Anow at $150 a pair and front seat air vents at $250 a pa
ir, check them out=0Aat http://www.excelairservices.com/New%20Air%20Vents.h
tm=0ANow for the really bad news, if its new rear vents that you are after,
you=0Ahad better have deep pockets, =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.m
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| Subject: | Re: repairing grumman wings (second try) |
Kevin
What are the odds of getting some symmetric wings made? You know, with fuel
tanks in the wing. Keep the outboard panels with the drooped leading edge if
necessary for stall quality.
Gary
PS, still waiting on the first Experimental Kit Tiger.
________________________________
From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 12:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: repairing grumman wings
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| Subject: | Re: grumman wing |
Thanks, everyone. It=92s great to have the Gang=92s expertise available to
get
to the true answer. It sounds like wing damage isn=92t much more of an iss
ue
in a Grumman than in other aircraft.
Regards,
TonyD
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Anthony Dymond <amdymond@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> First off, I don=92t have a Grumman but I wish I did. Almost have the wi
fe
> talked into this =85 you know how that goes=85
>
> I do have a question. I=92m in a flying club at Concord, CA, just down t
he
> road from Gary. One of the guys just put a significant hole in the leadi
ng
> edge of the wing of our Archer. The FAA threw a fit and wouldn=92t allow
a
> ferry permit so the wing went off on a truck to the shop.
>
> So I=92m talking to some of the folks and they tell me It=92s no big deal
--
> it=92s easy to get a replacement skin for a Cherokee and reskin the wing.
> Then I ask about the same situation in a Tiger ' and they tell me it is
a
> big deal and I would have to look at junkyards all over the country and b
uy
> a wing. Then someone else tells me most shops won=92t work on this becau
se of
> the bonded construction
>
> What=92s the real story -- what would you do if someone knocked a hole in
the
> wing?
> Regards,
> Tony D
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
In the latest STAR John (Excel Air) advertises his eyeball vents for $80.00
a pair. I was ready to buy, but at $250 a pair? Well, at that price my old
vents are looking pretty good, as do the spare vents I have that I liberated
from a 72 Dodge Dart (I think) at a junk yard a couple of years ago. Paid 2
bucks a piece for them. Might put them on E-Bay....
John is a nice guy, but $250!!, Glad I bought the defroster vents a few
years back a one of the Cedar Key Flyins.
Claude
> Now for the really bad news, if its new rear vents that you are after, you
> had better have deep pockets, they are available, but the last price I had
> for them was over $200 a piece. No one I know of stocks them, lead time
> from manufacture is many weeks, so best option is to search ebay or
> salvaged yards for used ones.
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: grumman wing |
Actually it is. Any old shop can repair a Cessna or Piper, but there
are very few shops that will even attempt to repair a Grumman. Also the
wing skins on a Grumman wrap from the rear spar around the leading edge
and to the rear spar again. Whereas other planes skins are more modular
and have lap joints. There may be several skins from front to back.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Dymond
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: grumman wing
Thanks, everyone. It=92s great to have the Gang=92s expertise
available to get to the true answer. It sounds like wing damage isn=92t
much more of an issue in a Grumman than in other aircraft.
Regards,
TonyD
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Anthony Dymond <amdymond@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Gang,
First off, I don=92t have a Grumman but I wish I did. Almost have
the wife talked into this =85 you know how that goes=85
I do have a question. I=92m in a flying club at Concord, CA, just
down the road from Gary. One of the guys just put a significant hole in
the leading edge of the wing of our Archer. The FAA threw a fit and
wouldn=92t allow a ferry permit so the wing went off on a truck to the
shop.
So I=92m talking to some of the folks and they tell me It=92s no big
deal -- it=92s easy to get a replacement skin for a Cherokee and reskin
the wing. Then I ask about the same situation in a Tiger ' and they
tell me it is a big deal and I would have to look at junkyards all over
the country and buy a wing. Then someone else tells me most shops
won=92t work on this because of the bonded construction
What=92s the real story -- what would you do if someone knocked a
hole in the wing?
Regards,
Tony D
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| Subject: | Re: Tiger Air Vent Replacement |
So the FAA has "helped" us again by making the parts supply chain "safer"?
Here is the documentation of how they triple the price of a part with their
bleeping rules. I'm glad I bought mine for $80, too.
Dean White (Tiger N81166)
Edmonds, WA 98026
dmwhite@e3ra.com
"In the latest STAR John (Excel Air) advertises his eyeball vents for $80.00
a pair. I was ready to buy, but at $250 a pair? "
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