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1. 01:55 AM - N39065 ETA (WILLIAM KELLY)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Project X plane (Garner Rice)
3. 05:39 AM - Re: Props? (Garner Rice)
4. 05:40 AM - Re: Props? (flyv35b)
5. 08:00 AM - Re: Props? (dickbutz)
6. 10:08 AM - Re: Project X plane (Gary Vogt)
7. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Props? (Gary Vogt)
8. 11:25 AM - Re: Project X plane (Garner Rice)
9. 08:35 PM - Re: Project X plane (Gary Vogt)
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Gary,
See you around 11:00 - 11:30 in the morning.
Bill
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Not sure what no one would ever see=2C if I cant see it. What is it. I did
notice the shock absorbers that are for the AA and not the AG. And cant se
e clearly enough what is behind the shock mount. Is that an inprovised seal
or somthing?
Got me stumped
Garner
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Yes=2C you're right Garner. No one will ever see it.
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The steps were optional equipment on the Grummans as well as many other ite
ms. If the part number starts with 580xxxx=2Cl then typically it was an opt
ion for the aircraft.
Garner
> Date: Mon=2C 13 Sep 2010 20:07:03 -0700
> From: n2_narcosis@YAHOO.COM
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Props?
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
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com>
>
> So Cliff=2C
> Is it legal to take your steps off? What paperwork is involved if any=2C
337 etc? "Steps I don't need no stinking steps." When I am old enough to ne
ed steps I'll do what the old timers do in their Yankees. Carry around a st
ool with a rope tied to it.
>
> Brock
> 76 Tiger
>
> --- On Sun=2C 9/12/10=2C flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
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> > From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
> > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Props?
> > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Sunday=2C September 12=2C 2010=2C 6:31 PM
> > --> TeamGrumman-List message
> > posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
> >
> > If you want more speed at the same rpm I'd go with the 63"
> > pitch as that was the standard cruise prop. Most
> > typical Tigers can turn 2700 rpm full throttle down low and
> > even higher up. The 62" pitch will turn 30-40 rpm more
> > at full throttle but be 2-3 knots slower or
> > thereabouts. And if you ever take you steps off and go
> > to the flush beacon cap or add a PF exhaust you will want
> > the higher pitch prop for sure.
> >
> > Cliff A&P/IA
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "dickbutz" <dickbutz@therock.bm>
> > To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday=2C September 12=2C 2010 11:20 AM
> > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Props?
> >
> >
> > <dickbutz@therock.bm>
> > >
> > > I know that this has most likely been beaten to death
> > but I need help in choosing a prop...
> > > I had a big ding in my original (63 pitch) Sensenich
> > prop so I bought a new one (a 62 pitch)=2C however I now have
> > the original one at Sensenich being serviced as they said
> > that there was plenty of metal in the prop to cut away and
> > straighten the bad edge (it was only a 1/32 ding and the tip
> > was not touched)...What I need to know is which is the
> > prefered prop for speed the 62 or the 63 pitch or is there
> > not much in it either way as I will change to the fastest
> > one and sell the other.
> > >
> > > The interesting thing is that there actually was more
> > metal in the older prop than the newer one=2C both wider and
> > longer???...Dick
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Dick Butz
> > > 1979 Tiger N4532P
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
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> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312217#312217
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> >
> > TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
> > FAQ=2C
> > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> > List Contribution Web Site -
> > -Matt
> > Dralle=2C List Admin.
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Absolutely. Look at your equipment list. The steps are shown as an
optional item and can be removed with a log book entry and weight and
balance change.
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Windsor" <n2_narcosis@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Props?
> <n2_narcosis@yahoo.com>
>
> So Cliff,
> Is it legal to take your steps off? What paperwork is involved if any,
> 337 etc? "Steps I don't need no stinking steps." When I am old enough
> to need steps I'll do what the old timers do in their Yankees. Carry
> around a stool with a rope tied to it.
>
> Brock
> 76 Tiger
>
> --- On Sun, 9/12/10, flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
>
>> From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Props?
>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 6:31 PM
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message
>> posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>>
>> If you want more speed at the same rpm I'd go with the 63"
>> pitch as that was the standard cruise prop. Most
>> typical Tigers can turn 2700 rpm full throttle down low and
>> even higher up. The 62" pitch will turn 30-40 rpm more
>> at full throttle but be 2-3 knots slower or
>> thereabouts. And if you ever take you steps off and go
>> to the flush beacon cap or add a PF exhaust you will want
>> the higher pitch prop for sure.
>>
>> Cliff A&P/IA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dickbutz" <dickbutz@therock.bm>
>> To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:20 AM
>> Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Props?
>>
>>
>> <dickbutz@therock.bm>
>> >
>> > I know that this has most likely been beaten to death
>> but I need help in choosing a prop...
>> > I had a big ding in my original (63 pitch) Sensenich
>> prop so I bought a new one (a 62 pitch), however I now have
>> the original one at Sensenich being serviced as they said
>> that there was plenty of metal in the prop to cut away and
>> straighten the bad edge (it was only a 1/32 ding and the tip
>> was not touched)...What I need to know is which is the
>> prefered prop for speed the 62 or the 63 pitch or is there
>> not much in it either way as I will change to the fastest
>> one and sell the other.
>> >
>> > The interesting thing is that there actually was more
>> metal in the older prop than the newer one, both wider and
>> longer???...Dick
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Dick Butz
>> > 1979 Tiger N4532P
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312217#312217
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> TeamGrumman-List Email Forum -
>> FAQ,
>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>> List Contribution Web Site -
>> -Matt
>> Dralle, List Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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How much speed can you pickup by removing the steps and light?...I have been down
this road before and found very little result for the money invested...Seriously
the steps produce that much drag?...Dick
If you want more speed at the same rpm I'd go with the 63" pitch as that was
the standard cruise prop. Most typical Tigers can turn 2700 rpm full
throttle down low and even higher up. The 62" pitch will turn 30-40 rpm
more at full throttle but be 2-3 knots slower or thereabouts. And if you
ever take you steps off and go to the flush beacon cap or add a PF exhaust
you will want the higher pitch prop for sure.
Cliff A&P/IA
--------
Dick Butz
1979 Tiger N4532P
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312410#312410
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| Subject: | Re: Project X plane |
Don't know about the shocks. They have 2004 dates on them. and they aren't
broken. they both work. that's rare. If they are the wrong shocks, it came in
that way.
________________________________
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:33:46 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Not sure what no one would ever see, if I cant see it. What is it. I did notice
the shock absorbers that are for the AA and not the AG. And cant see clearly
enough what is behind the shock mount. Is that an inprovised seal or somthing?
Got me stumped
Garner
________________________________
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:07:05 -0700
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Yes, you're right Garner. No one will ever see it.
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It might be worth a knot or two to remove the steps. Is it worth it? Probably
(k)not.
________________________________
From: dickbutz <dickbutz@therock.bm>
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 7:55:51 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Props?
How much speed can you pickup by removing the steps and light?...I have been
down this road before and found very little result for the money
invested...Seriously the steps produce that much drag?...Dick
If you want more speed at the same rpm I'd go with the 63" pitch as that was
the standard cruise prop. Most typical Tigers can turn 2700 rpm full
throttle down low and even higher up. The 62" pitch will turn 30-40 rpm
more at full throttle but be 2-3 knots slower or thereabouts. And if you
ever take you steps off and go to the flush beacon cap or add a PF exhaust
you will want the higher pitch prop for sure.
Cliff A&P/IA
--------
Dick Butz
1979 Tiger N4532P
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312410#312410
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Not sure how the 2004 dates since Stabilus hasn't supplied them since the
70's. If that is an early AG then all bets are off. I had been trying to ge
t them produced since way before 2004. Countless calls to them over in Germ
any and finally gave up in 2006 on ever getting them reproduced.
Garner
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Don't know about the shocks. They have 2004 dates on them. and they aren'
t broken. they both work. that's rare. If they are the wrong shocks=2C i
t came in that way.
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue=2C September 14=2C 2010 5:33:46 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Not sure what no one would ever see=2C if I cant see it. What is it. I did
notice the shock absorbers that are for the AA and not the AG. And cant se
e clearly enough what is behind the shock mount. Is that an inprovised seal
or somthing?
Got me stumped
Garner
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Yes=2C you're right Garner. No one will ever see it.
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| Subject: | Re: Project X plane |
it's a 1991
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From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 11:20:56 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Not sure how the 2004 dates since Stabilus hasn't supplied them since the 70's.
If that is an early AG then all bets are off. I had been trying to get them
produced since way before 2004. Countless calls to them over in Germany and
finally gave up in 2006 on ever getting them reproduced.
Garner
________________________________
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 10:06:22 -0700
From: teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Don't know about the shocks. They have 2004 dates on them. and they aren't
broken. they both work. that's rare. If they are the wrong shocks, it came in
that way.
________________________________
From: Garner Rice <garnerrice@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 5:33:46 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Not sure what no one would ever see, if I cant see it. What is it. I did notice
the shock absorbers that are for the AA and not the AG. And cant see clearly
enough what is behind the shock mount. Is that an inprovised seal or somthing?
Got me stumped
Garner
________________________________
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 20:07:05 -0700
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane
Yes, you're right Garner. No one will ever see it.
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