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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price, (Scott Trejo)
2. 10:13 AM - Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price, (Gary Vogt)
3. 12:51 PM - Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit (Gary Vogt)
4. 12:53 PM - cup holder (Gary Vogt)
5. 03:53 PM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Jaguar cowling.- 25% ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?off the going price,? (ArjayS@AOL.COM)
6. 04:15 PM - Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit (halb221)
7. 05:27 PM - Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit (Scott)
8. 05:34 PM - Re: cup holder (Scott)
9. 09:05 PM - Nose gear boot replacement fairing (Gary Vogt)
10. 09:36 PM - Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit (Gary Vogt)
11. 10:02 PM - Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit ()
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| Subject: | Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price, |
Gary, Whats the time frame on which you need full payment. I would
really like in on this deal.
Scott Trejo
PS. Was it 20 degrees cooler with the fairing? Any speed gain or
loss?
On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
> If you're on facebook, you've seen the latest mod on the cowling. It
worked and it didn't. I'll post pics tomorrow.
>
>
>
> I've worked out a deal with Composite Dave so we can get some of these
out on the market. If we can get orders for 10 to 15 cowlings, I'll
sell them for $6250. You install and paint. That includes $500 worth
of new baffles. You pay the shipping. So, for roughly twice the price
of a nose bowl, you get a whole new cowling. Let me know.
>
> Projects that are currently in process.
>
> 1. PMA for the instrument panel overlays.
> 2. PMA for the fiberglass eyebrow.
> 3. Wheel pants.
> 4. Fiberglass horizontal root fairings. Just fine tuning the tooling.
It's ready to go.
> 5. A cup holder to replace the ash tray. Just fine tuning the
tooling.
> 6. An STC to replace the nose gear boot with a fairing that stays on
the cowling (or comes off separately.) If I hadn't tried the cowling
with and without the fairing, I'd have never guessed it was worth 20
degrees in CHT cooling.
> 7. A real AA5x Tail Dragger. By real, I mean actually moving the
location of the main gear and not just using splayed gear legs to get
the right geometry.
> 8. 10:1 IO360B1E with a constant speed prop.
> 9. Fiberglass elevator and rudder tips.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price, |
The fairing was the same one used on the Jaguar cowling. We have the tooling to
make it separately.
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From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price,
Gary, Whats the time frame on which you need full payment. I would really
like in on this deal.
Scott Trejo
PS. Was it 20 degrees cooler with the fairing? Any speed gain or loss?
On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
If you're on facebook, you've seen the latest mod on the cowling. It worked and
it didn't. I'll post pics tomorrow.
>
>
>I've worked out a deal with Composite Dave so we can get some of these out on
>the market. If we can get orders for 10 to 15 cowlings, I'll sell them for
>$6250. You install and paint. That includes $500 worth of new baffles. You
>pay the shipping. So, for roughly twice the price of a nose bowl, you get a
>whole new cowling. Let me know.
>
>
>Projects that are currently in process.
>
>
>1. PMA for the instrument panel overlays.
>2. PMA for the fiberglass eyebrow.
>3. Wheel pants.
>4. Fiberglass horizontal root fairings. Just fine tuning the tooling. It's
>ready to go.
>5. A cup holder to replace the ash tray. Just fine tuning the tooling.
>6. An STC to replace the nose gear boot with a fairing that stays on the cowling
>(or comes off separately.) If I hadn't tried the cowling with and without the
>fairing, I'd have never guessed it was worth 20 degrees in CHT cooling.
>7. A real AA5x Tail Dragger. By real, I mean actually moving the location of
>the main gear and not just using splayed gear legs to get the right geometry.
>8. 10:1 IO360B1E with a constant speed prop.
>9. Fiberglass elevator and rudder tips.
>
>
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| Subject: | Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit |
Scott,
I'll let you know when I have 10 or more orders. As for the payment schedule,
I'll need $3250 deposit and the rest payable upon completion of the cowling.
It's a killer deal. I want to keep Composite Dave from getting a real job and
not being available to work on my other projects.
Gary
________________________________
From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price,
Gary, Whats the time frame on which you need full payment. I would really
like in on this deal.
Scott Trejo
PS. Was it 20 degrees cooler with the fairing? Any speed gain or loss?
On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
If you're on facebook, you've seen the latest mod on the cowling. It worked and
it didn't. I'll post pics tomorrow.
>
>
>I've worked out a deal with Composite Dave so we can get some of these out on
>the market. If we can get orders for 10 to 15 cowlings, I'll sell them for
>$6250. You install and paint. That includes $500 worth of new baffles. You
>pay the shipping. So, for roughly twice the price of a nose bowl, you get a
>whole new cowling. Let me know.
>
>
>Projects that are currently in process.
>
>
>1. PMA for the instrument panel overlays.
>2. PMA for the fiberglass eyebrow.
>3. Wheel pants.
>4. Fiberglass horizontal root fairings. Just fine tuning the tooling. It's
>ready to go.
>5. A cup holder to replace the ash tray. Just fine tuning the tooling.
>6. An STC to replace the nose gear boot with a fairing that stays on the cowling
>(or comes off separately.) If I hadn't tried the cowling with and without the
>fairing, I'd have never guessed it was worth 20 degrees in CHT cooling.
>7. A real AA5x Tail Dragger. By real, I mean actually moving the location of
>the main gear and not just using splayed gear legs to get the right geometry.
>8. 10:1 IO360B1E with a constant speed prop.
>9. Fiberglass elevator and rudder tips.
>
>
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Is there any interest in a cup holder?
The design eliminates the raised portion where the handheld microphone used to
be. It's a cover for the top portion of the center console.
There is about an hours worth of fabrication plus materials in it. You paint to
match.
The going price is $40 plus shipping. As you can see, we won't be making any
money on it.
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| Subject: | Re: Jaguar cowling.- 25% ?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?off |
the going price,?
I'd like to add an unsolicited opinion on Gary's cowl. From a distance we
(LoPresti) look like a competitor. We're not. From my point of view, we sell
different products for different customers.
Gary's cowl is is a complete rethink of the system. It's the result of
years of hard work and in my opinion it shows.
So, what you've got, is a dedicated Grumman supporter offering his premier
product at a bargain basement price. He's doing this (I think) becase as
engineers our designs are, to us, also works of art. They need to be out there
to be appreciated. All I can tell you, is that as an observer, this is a
fabulous deal.
Gary, I support your efforts. You are trying to update the fleet to be more
contempory and in the process add value. Kudos!
Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
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| Subject: | Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit |
Gary, Hello from Alabama
I am very interested in your your new deal, I do have one question, how
hard would it be to get approval to use your cowl with the standard aa5b
exhaust system?
Hal B (Beauchesne) (Your part time ride at Dayton) cell:
334-301-9641
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Vogt
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price.
Deposit
Scott,
I'll let you know when I have 10 or more orders. As for the payment
schedule, I'll need $3250 deposit and the rest payable upon completion
of the cowling. It's a killer deal. I want to keep Composite Dave from
getting a real job and not being available to work on my other projects.
Gary
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From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going
price,
Gary, Whats the time frame on which you need full payment. I would
really like in on this deal.
Scott Trejo
PS. Was it 20 degrees cooler with the fairing? Any speed gain
or loss?
On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
If you're on facebook, you've seen the latest mod on the cowling.
It worked and it didn't. I'll post pics tomorrow.
I've worked out a deal with Composite Dave so we can get some of
these out on the market. If we can get orders for 10 to 15 cowlings,
I'll sell them for $6250. You install and paint. That includes $500
worth of new baffles. You pay the shipping. So, for roughly twice the
price of a nose bowl, you get a whole new cowling. Let me know.
Projects that are currently in process.
1. PMA for the instrument panel overlays.
2. PMA for the fiberglass eyebrow.
3. Wheel pants.
4. Fiberglass horizontal root fairings. Just fine tuning the
tooling. It's ready to go.
5. A cup holder to replace the ash tray. Just fine tuning the
tooling.
6. An STC to replace the nose gear boot with a fairing that stays on
the cowling (or comes off separately.) If I hadn't tried the cowling
with and without the fairing, I'd have never guessed it was worth 20
degrees in CHT cooling.
7. A real AA5x Tail Dragger. By real, I mean actually moving the
location of the main gear and not just using splayed gear legs to get
the right geometry.
8. 10:1 IO360B1E with a constant speed prop.
9. Fiberglass elevator and rudder tips.
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| Subject: | Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit |
Thanks Gary,
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> I'll let you know when I have 10 or more orders. As for the payment sched
ule, I'll need $3250 deposit and the rest payable upon completion of the cow
ling. It's a killer deal. I want to keep Composite Dave from getting a rea
l job and not being available to work on my other projects.
>
> Gary
>
> From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:18:41 AM
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price,
>
> Gary, Whats the time frame on which you need full payment. I would real
ly like in on this deal.
>
> Scott Trejo
>
> PS. Was it 20 degrees cooler with the fairing? Any speed gain or lo
ss?
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
>
>> If you're on facebook, you've seen the latest mod on the cowling. It wor
ked and it didn't. I'll post pics tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've worked out a deal with Composite Dave so we can get some of these ou
t on the market. If we can get orders for 10 to 15 cowlings, I'll sell them
for $6250. You install and paint. That includes $500 worth of new baffles
. You pay the shipping. So, for roughly twice the price of a nose bowl, yo
u get a whole new cowling. Let me know.
>>
>> Projects that are currently in process.
>>
>> 1. PMA for the instrument panel overlays.
>> 2. PMA for the fiberglass eyebrow.
>> 3. Wheel pants.
>> 4. Fiberglass horizontal root fairings. Just fine tuning the tooling. I
t's ready to go.
>> 5. A cup holder to replace the ash tray. Just fine tuning the tooling.
>> 6. An STC to replace the nose gear boot with a fairing that stays on the c
owling (or comes off separately.) If I hadn't tried the cowling with and wi
thout the fairing, I'd have never guessed it was worth 20 degrees in CHT coo
ling.
>> 7. A real AA5x Tail Dragger. By real, I mean actually moving the locatio
n of the main gear and not just using splayed gear legs to get the right geo
metry.
>> 8. 10:1 IO360B1E with a constant speed prop.
>> 9. Fiberglass elevator and rudder tips.
>>
>>
>>
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http://forums.matronics.com
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Gary, Was the temp lower with the fairing ?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Is there any interest in a cup holder?
>
> The design eliminates the raised portion where the handheld microphone use
d to be. It's a cover for the top portion of the center console.
>
> There is about an hours worth of fabrication plus materials in it. You pa
int to match.
>
> The going price is $40 plus shipping. As you can see, we won't be making a
ny money on it.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Nose gear boot replacement fairing |
Question: Gary, Was the temp lower with the fairing ?
Answer: Mind you, I've only done tests with and without on the Jaguar cowling.
It's worth 20 degrees on my cowling. Minimal additional cooling drag over a
flat bottom. The stock rubber boot is actually a very clever design. My guess
it was dumb luck, but, there is pressure recovery behind the boot. Not a great
deal mind you, but it works.
________________________________
From: Scott <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:29:17 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: cup holder
Gary, Was the temp lower with the fairing ?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
Is there any interest in a cup holder?
>
>
>The design eliminates the raised portion where the handheld microphone used to
>be. It's a cover for the top portion of the center console.
>
>
>There is about an hours worth of fabrication plus materials in it. You paint
to
>match.
>
>
>The going price is $40 plus shipping. As you can see, we won't be making any
>money on it.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit |
Hal,
Nothing is impossible. Figure hiring a DER and involving the FAA for about 2 or
3 years. At bare minimum, you'll need about 4 or 5 climb cooling tests, 3 (if
everything works right the first time) carb heat rise tests, and 3 climb
performance tests. I would estimate somewhere in the $15,000 range.
Gary.
And, thanks again for all the rides at Dayton.
________________________________
From: halb221 <halb221@centurylink.net>
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:08:05 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price.
Deposit
Gary, Hello from Alabama
I am very interested in your your new deal, I do have one question, how hard
would it be to get approval to use your cowl with the standard aa5b exhaust
system?
Hal B (Beauchesne) (Your part time ride at Dayton) cell: 334-301-9641
----- Original Message -----
>From: Gary Vogt
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 2:47 PM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit
>
>
>Scott,
>
>
>I'll let you know when I have 10 or more orders. As for the payment
>schedule, I'll need $3250 deposit and the rest payable upon completion of the
>cowling. It's a killer deal. I want to keep Composite Dave from getting a
>real job and not being available to work on my other projects.
>
>
>Gary
>
>
________________________________
From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:18:41 AM
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price,
>
>Gary, Whats the time frame on which you need full payment. I would
>really like in on this deal.
>
>
>Scott Trejo
>
>
>PS. Was it 20 degrees cooler with the fairing? Any speed gain or loss?
>
>
>
>On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
>
>If you're on facebook, you've seen the latest mod on the cowling. It
>worked and it didn't. I'll post pics tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I've worked out a deal with Composite Dave so we can get some of these out
>>on the market. If we can get orders for 10 to 15 cowlings, I'll sell them
>>for $6250. You install and paint. That includes $500 worth of new
>>baffles. You pay the shipping. So, for roughly twice the price of a nose
>>bowl, you get a whole new cowling. Let me know.
>>
>>
>>Projects that are currently in process.
>>
>>
>>1. PMA for the instrument panel overlays.
>>2. PMA for the fiberglass eyebrow.
>>3. Wheel pants.
>>4. Fiberglass horizontal root fairings. Just fine tuning the tooling.
>> It's ready to go.
>>5. A cup holder to replace the ash tray. Just fine tuning the tooling.
>>6. An STC to replace the nose gear boot with a fairing that stays on the
>>cowling (or comes off separately.) If I hadn't tried the cowling with and
>>without the fairing, I'd have never guessed it was worth 20 degrees in CHT
>>cooling.
>>7. A real AA5x Tail Dragger. By real, I mean actually moving the location
>>of the main gear and not just using splayed gear legs to get the right
>>geometry.
>>8. 10:1 IO360B1E with a constant speed prop.
>>9. Fiberglass elevator and rudder tips.
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price. Deposit |
Much cheaper to break down and buy a Power Flow Hal.........
From: Gary Vogt
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price.
Deposit
Hal,
Nothing is impossible. Figure hiring a DER and involving the FAA for
about 2 or 3 years. At bare minimum, you'll need about 4 or 5 climb
cooling tests, 3 (if everything works right the first time) carb heat
rise tests, and 3 climb performance tests. I would estimate somewhere
in the $15,000 range.
Gary.
And, thanks again for all the rides at Dayton.
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From: halb221 <halb221@centurylink.net>
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:08:05 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price.
Deposit
Gary, Hello from Alabama
I am very interested in your your new deal, I do have one question, how
hard would it be to get approval to use your cowl with the standard aa5b
exhaust system?
Hal B (Beauchesne) (Your part time ride at Dayton) cell:
334-301-9641
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Vogt
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going price.
Deposit
Scott,
I'll let you know when I have 10 or more orders. As for the payment
schedule, I'll need $3250 deposit and the rest payable upon completion
of the cowling. It's a killer deal. I want to keep Composite Dave from
getting a real job and not being available to work on my other projects.
Gary
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From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo@YAHOO.COM>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 5:18:41 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar cowling. 25% off the going
price,
Gary, Whats the time frame on which you need full payment. I would
really like in on this deal.
Scott Trejo
PS. Was it 20 degrees cooler with the fairing? Any speed gain
or loss?
On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
If you're on facebook, you've seen the latest mod on the cowling.
It worked and it didn't. I'll post pics tomorrow.
I've worked out a deal with Composite Dave so we can get some of
these out on the market. If we can get orders for 10 to 15 cowlings,
I'll sell them for $6250. You install and paint. That includes $500
worth of new baffles. You pay the shipping. So, for roughly twice the
price of a nose bowl, you get a whole new cowling. Let me know.
Projects that are currently in process.
1. PMA for the instrument panel overlays.
2. PMA for the fiberglass eyebrow.
3. Wheel pants.
4. Fiberglass horizontal root fairings. Just fine tuning the
tooling. It's ready to go.
5. A cup holder to replace the ash tray. Just fine tuning the
tooling.
6. An STC to replace the nose gear boot with a fairing that stays on
the cowling (or comes off separately.) If I hadn't tried the cowling
with and without the fairing, I'd have never guessed it was worth 20
degrees in CHT cooling.
7. A real AA5x Tail Dragger. By real, I mean actually moving the
location of the main gear and not just using splayed gear legs to get
the right geometry.
8. 10:1 IO360B1E with a constant speed prop.
9. Fiberglass elevator and rudder tips.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.m
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