---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/12/10: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:29 AM - Re: deal on the Jaguar cowling (Mark T. Mueller) 2. 12:39 PM - Re: deal on the Jaguar cowling (Gary Vogt) 3. 12:45 PM - Re: deal on the Jaguar cowling (Gary Vogt) 4. 12:49 PM - Re: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. (Gary Vogt) 5. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: deal on the Jaguar cowling (Gary Vogt) 6. 01:40 PM - Re: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. (Scott Trejo) 7. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: deal on the Jaguar cowling (Scott Trejo) 8. 02:16 PM - Re: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. (Bruce Smith) 9. 02:51 PM - Re: deal on the Jaguar cowling (Phil Kelsey) 10. 06:13 PM - Trim creep (brian sandberg) 11. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: deal on the Jaguar cowling (Gary Vogt) 12. 08:00 PM - Re: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. (Gary Vogt) 13. 08:02 PM - Re: Trim creep (Gary Vogt) 14. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: deal on the Jaguar cowling (Brock Windsor) 15. 09:57 PM - Re: fabricating your own parts (discover) 16. 09:59 PM - Re: Power Flow Exhaust fairings (discover) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:05 AM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling From: "Mark T. Mueller" Time: 10:03:11 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling I heard that AJ posted to the GG about the deal on the Jaguar cowling. So far, I've heard nothing. Can't seem to give 'em away. ___________________________________________________________ Gary, I am interested, but would like what the "fly-away" cost really looks like. I understand you buy the cowling... Then I would have to upgrade my PF exhaust from the Donkey D style to the internal... Then you have to install, then remove for paint... Any other hardware, accessory or other necessary costs associated with installation? Latches, hinges? Will my nose bowl landing light work in the new cowling, or do I need a new light system as well? I really am interested, but I don't need any more wall-ornaments! It's the 'hidden costs' that are a killer... Thanks, Mark ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:47 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling I talked with Darrin at Power Flow about offering a deal to the 10 people who order the cowling. He's working on it. ________________________________ From: Linn Walters Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 11:14:24 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling On 10/11/2010 1:00 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: I heard that AJ posted to the GG about the deal on the Jaguar cowling. So far, I've heard nothing. > > >Can't seem to give 'em away. > I missed the email where you were giving them away. I'll take a free one .... even though I don't have a use for it. Hope that makes you feel better. Tell ya what .... I'll even pick up the shipping!!! :-D Linn ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:21 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling Brock, hold that thought. I may need to start taking credit cards. ________________________________ From: Brock Windsor Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 5:57:26 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling Gary, If it is any consolation I want one, I just can't afford it and the powerflow as well. Do you do payment plans? Brock --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Gary Vogt wrote: >From: Gary Vogt >Subject: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling >To: "Teamgrumman List" >Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:00 PM > > > >I heard that AJ posted to the GG about the deal on the Jaguar cowling. So far, >I've heard nothing. > > >Can't seem to give 'em away. > > > st" rel=nofollow >target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:02 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. Find a good prop shop that knows what they are doing. When you find one, talk to the guy himself about pitching the prop to 65-63-61 or 65-64-63 hub to tip. You'll see about 2 knots over a similar straight pitch (63 or 64, plus pick up a 100 fpm climb. magic pixie dust ________________________________ From: Scott Trejo Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 6:18:25 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. Gary, I think I have the wife convinced that I need the new cowling, deposit to follow soon. Did you change the exit ramp design with the new cowling? Between the new baffles and the new inlet design what can I expect for CHT temp's? Speed? I have the Lycon modified cylinders with about 300hrs on the engine. ( I think its a strong engine even without the powerflow exhaust ) I'm also sending my prop off to get re-pitched from 62" to 64" Scott Trejo md11strejo@yahoo.com On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: Right now, this is what I have. Nothing hard (i.e., no deposit) decisions made. > > >1. Patrick Alsup >2. Scott Trejo >3. Matt Drazal >4. Hal Beauchesne (if I can get him to buy a PFS) >5. Bob Stewart (not sure if he wants one or just wants to install one.) >6. Boris V. > > >RJ, can you post my offer for a reduced price on the cowling to the 'other' >forum. I'm not on it. Thanks. > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >n > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:27 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling Hi Mark, All very good questions. As delivered, the cowling should (optimum world) fit with just trimming to the 'end-of-part' lines. I'll try a couple just to make sure. In the original installation instructions, the baffles needed to be mostly fabricated from an RV6 baffle set. That no longer applies. I've spent waaaaaytooooo much time and money fine tuning the baffles. They will fit with minor trim and rivets. You'll need a centerline hinge from Fletcher. Get one that has had the plastic removed before it was riveted together. Get one that ISN'T painted. For some reason, on the last several I've received, the plastic has been left on one side and then the whole piece is painted with rattle can primer. It looks very hacked. With a clean, no paint hinge, you can mask it after install, prime and paint the upper cowling, and leave the hinge silver. Looks good. Plus, the paint won't crack and look like shit the first time you open the cowling. The landing light housing I use takes the stock landing light hardware. If it takes longer than 5 minutes to install (after you install the nut plates), you're doing something wrong. The cowling is held down by #4 or #5 cam locks. Depends on how much paint is on there. Mine uses #5, the last one, Ned's used #4. You'll need 10 cam-lock studs, retainer rings, and receptacles. That's about it. Gary ________________________________ From: Mark T. Mueller Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 7:26:04 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling Time: 10:03:11 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling I heard that AJ posted to the GG about the deal on the Jaguar cowling. So far, I've heard nothing. Can't seem to give 'em away. ___________________________________________________________ Gary, I am interested, but would like what the "fly-away" cost really looks like. I understand you buy the cowling... Then I would have to upgrade my PF exhaust from the Donkey D style to the internal... Then you have to install, then remove for paint... Any other hardware, accessory or other necessary costs associated with installation? Latches, hinges? Will my nose bowl landing light work in the new cowling, or do I need a new light system as well? I really am interested, but I don't need any more wall-ornaments! It's the 'hidden costs' that are a killer... Thanks, Mark ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:00 PM PST US From: Scott Trejo Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. Gary, Thanks for the information on the prop, and if PF can make us a deal thats even sweeter. Scott Trejo On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > Find a good prop shop that knows what they are doing. When you find one, talk to the guy himself about pitching the prop to 65-63-61 or 65-64-63 hub to tip. You'll see about 2 knots over a similar straight pitch (63 or 64, plus pick up a 100 fpm climb. > > magic pixie dust > > From: Scott Trejo > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 6:18:25 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. > > Gary, I think I have the wife convinced that I need the new cowling, deposit to follow soon. Did you change the exit ramp design with the new cowling? Between the new baffles and the new inlet design what can I expect for CHT temp's? Speed? I have the Lycon modified cylinders with about 300hrs on the engine. ( I think its a strong engine even without the powerflow exhaust ) I'm also sending my prop off to get re-pitched from 62" to 64" > > Scott Trejo > md11strejo@yahoo.com > > > > On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > >> Right now, this is what I have. Nothing hard (i.e., no deposit) decisions made. >> >> 1. Patrick Alsup >> 2. Scott Trejo >> 3. Matt Drazal >> 4. Hal Beauchesne (if I can get him to buy a PFS) >> 5. Bob Stewart (not sure if he wants one or just wants to install one.) >> 6. Boris V. >> >> >> RJ, can you post my offer for a reduced price on the cowling to the 'other' forum. I'm not on it. Thanks. >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com" >http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:24 PM PST US From: Scott Trejo Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling Gary, Did you ever make the upper cowling 1 piece, no center hinge for doors? If its a option I would like no doors except an oil dip stick door. Scott Trejo On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > Hi Mark, > > All very good questions. > > As delivered, the cowling should (optimum world) fit with just trimming to the 'end-of-part' lines. I'll try a couple just to make sure. > > In the original installation instructions, the baffles needed to be mostly fabricated from an RV6 baffle set. That no longer applies. I've spent waaaaay tooooo much time and money fine tuning the baffles. They will fit with minor trim and rivets. > > You'll need a centerline hinge from Fletcher. Get one that has had the plastic removed before it was riveted together. Get one that ISN'T painted. For some reason, on the last several I've received, the plastic has been left on one side and then the whole piece is painted with rattle can primer. It looks very hacked. With a clean, no paint hinge, you can mask it after install, prime and paint the upper cowling, and leave the hinge silver. Looks good. Plus, the paint won't crack and look like shit the first time you open the cowling. > > The landing light housing I use takes the stock landing light hardware. If it takes longer than 5 minutes to install (after you install the nut plates), you're doing something wrong. > > The cowling is held down by #4 or #5 cam locks. Depends on how much paint is on there. Mine uses #5, the last one, Ned's used #4. You'll need 10 cam-lock studs, retainer rings, and receptacles. > > That's about it. > > Gary > > From: Mark T. Mueller > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 7:26:04 AM > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling > > > Time: 10:03:11 AM PST US > From: Gary Vogt > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling > > I heard that AJ posted to the GG about the deal on the Jaguar cowling. So far, > > I've heard nothing. > > Can't seem to give 'em away. > ___________________________________________________________ > > Gary, > > I am interested, but would like what the "fly-away" cost really looks like. > > I understand you buy the cowling... > > Then I would have to upgrade my PF exhaust from the Donkey D style to > the internal... > > Then you have to install, then remove for paint... > > Any other hardware, accessory or other necessary costs associated with > installation? > > Latches, hinges? Will my nose bowl landing light > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. From: Bruce Smith Gary, Do you have a shop that specializes in the magic pixie dust? Bruce On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 12:46 -0700, Gary Vogt wrote: > Find a good prop shop that knows what they are doing. When you find > one, talk to the guy himself about pitching the prop to 65-63-61 or > 65-64-63 hub to tip. You'll see about 2 knots over a similar > straight pitch (63 or 64, plus pick up a 100 fpm climb. > > > magic pixie dust > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Scott Trejo > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 6:18:25 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. > > Gary, I think I have the wife convinced that I need the new > cowling, deposit to follow soon. Did you change the exit ramp > design with the new cowling? Between the new baffles and the new > inlet design what can I expect for CHT temp's? Speed? I have the > Lycon modified cylinders with about 300hrs on the engine. ( I think > its a strong engine even without the powerflow exhaust ) I'm also > sending my prop off to get re-pitched from 62" to 64" > > > Scott Trejo > md11strejo@yahoo.com > > > > > On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > > > Right now, this is what I have. Nothing hard (i.e., no deposit) > > decisions made. > > > > > > 1. Patrick Alsup > > 2. Scott Trejo > > 3. Matt Drazal > > 4. Hal Beauchesne (if I can get him to buy a PFS) > > 5. Bob Stewart (not sure if he wants one or just wants to install > > one.) > > 6. Boris V. > > > > > > > > > > RJ, can you post my offer for a reduced price on the cowling to the > > 'other' forum. I'm not on it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:21 PM PST US From: "Phil Kelsey" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling Gary, I=99m ready to send a deposit for a cowling for a 1979 tiger with existing short stack Power Flo. Need to know where to send it and what happens if you don=99t reach the magic ten. I do have a few questions: 1. Can you post some pictures on your web site or send me pics with enough detail to show where cam locks are installed, what the aft cooling ramps look like from inside and outside the cowl, What the nose strut accommodation looks like, and some pics of the baffle installation. 2. Could the top cowling be installed without the hinge and adding an oil door using a field approval? What=99s your best guess. 3. Is the aft portion of the top cowling attached using cam locks or does it float like the oem one? 4. Is the whole cowling held together with cam locks or just the top cowl to the bottom? 5. Can I use the existing rubber nose strut boot? Or what is the method used to accommodate the nose strut? 6. I assume there is no measureable speed increase, correct? 7. Do you have any data on the Delta T in =81=B0F between cylinders 1 & 3 and 2 & 5 with the new cowl? Other than question two most of my questions can be addressed with detailed pics. Phil Kelsey Reliant Air Danbury, CT 06810 (203) 743-5100 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:46 PM PST US From: brian sandberg Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Trim creep During several hours of 141kt cruise at 11.5k=2C smooth air=2C with an aft cg I continually experienced nose-up trim creep. Didn't believe it at firs t=2C but visually confirmed the wheel slowly turning. Ever heard of this? Gary rebuilt the arms in August=2C so maybe the system is devoid sufficien t friction- sure feels smooth. It would have been annoying in IMC=2C but w as easily solved by shoving a pen adjacent the wheel. -Brian N119ST @ KCRG (for a couple of months) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:25 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling No, it's split like the original. ________________________________ From: Scott Trejo Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 1:43:09 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling Gary, Did you ever make the upper cowling 1 piece, no center hinge for doors? If its a option I would like no doors except an oil dip stick door. Scott Trejo On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: Hi Mark, > > >All very good questions. > > >As delivered, the cowling should (optimum world) fit with just trimming to the >'end-of-part' lines. I'll try a couple just to make sure. > > >In the original installation instructions, the baffles needed to be mostly >fabricated from an RV6 baffle set. That no longer applies. I've spent waaaaay >tooooo much time and money fine tuning the baffles. They will fit with minor >trim and rivets. > > >You'll need a centerline hinge from Fletcher. Get one that has had the plastic >removed before it was riveted together. Get one that ISN'T painted. For some >reason, on the last several I've received, the plastic has been left on one side >and then the whole piece is painted with rattle can primer. It looks very >hacked. With a clean, no paint hinge, you can mask it after install, prime and >paint the upper cowling, and leave the hinge silver. Looks good. Plus, the >paint won't crack and look like shit the first time you open the cowling. > > >The landing light housing I use takes the stock landing light hardware. If it >takes longer than 5 minutes to install (after you install the nut plates), >you're doing something wrong. > > >The cowling is held down by #4 or #5 cam locks. Depends on how much paint is on >there. Mine uses #5, the last one, Ned's used #4. You'll need 10 cam-lock >studs, retainer rings, and receptacles. > > >That's about it. > > >Gary > > ________________________________ From: Mark T. Mueller >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 7:26:04 AM >Subject: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling > > > >Time: 10:03:11 AM PST US >From: Gary Vogt >Subject: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling > >I heard that AJ posted to the GG about the deal on the Jaguar cowling. So far, > >I've heard nothing. > >Can't seem to give 'em away. >___________________________________________________________ > >Gary, > >I am interested, but would like what the "fly-away" cost really looks like. > >I understand you buy the cowling... > >Then I would have to upgrade my PF exhaust from the Donkey D style to >the internal... > >Then you have to install, then remove for paint... > >Any other hardware, accessory or other necessary costs associated with >installation? > >Latches, hinges? Will my nose bowl landing light > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >n > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:25 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. I do here in California. ________________________________ From: Bruce Smith Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 2:12:45 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. Gary, Do you have a shop that specializes in the magic pixie dust? Bruce On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 12:46 -0700, Gary Vogt wrote: > Find a good prop shop that knows what they are doing. When you find > one, talk to the guy himself about pitching the prop to 65-63-61 or > 65-64-63 hub to tip. You'll see about 2 knots over a similar > straight pitch (63 or 64, plus pick up a 100 fpm climb. > > > magic pixie dust > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > From: Scott Trejo > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 6:18:25 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Shows interest in the Jaguar cowling. > > Gary, I think I have the wife convinced that I need the new > cowling, deposit to follow soon. Did you change the exit ramp > design with the new cowling? Between the new baffles and the new > inlet design what can I expect for CHT temp's? Speed? I have the > Lycon modified cylinders with about 300hrs on the engine. ( I think > its a strong engine even without the powerflow exhaust ) I'm also > sending my prop off to get re-pitched from 62" to 64" > > > Scott Trejo > md11strejo@yahoo.com > > > > > On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > > > Right now, this is what I have. Nothing hard (i.e., no deposit) > > decisions made. > > > > > > 1. Patrick Alsup > > 2. Scott Trejo > > 3. Matt Drazal > > 4. Hal Beauchesne (if I can get him to buy a PFS) > > 5. Bob Stewart (not sure if he wants one or just wants to install > > one.) > > 6. Boris V. > > > > > > > > > > RJ, can you post my offer for a reduced price on the cowling to the > > 'other' forum. I'm not on it. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:38 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Trim creep No matter what I do, someone complains. Sheeesh. ________________________________ From: brian sandberg Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 6:11:19 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Trim creep During several hours of 141kt cruise at 11.5k, smooth air, with an aft cg I continually experienced nose-up trim creep. Didn't believe it at first, but visually confirmed the wheel slowly turning. Ever heard of this? Gary rebuilt the arms in August, so maybe the system is devoid sufficient friction- sure feels smooth. It would have been annoying in IMC, but was easily solved by shoving a pen adjacent the wheel. -Brian N119ST @ KCRG (for a couple of months) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:34 PM PST US From: Brock Windsor Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling Gary, -- So you use the same hinge the factory upper cowling uses with camloc ks to hold the-halves down instead of the crappy latches and the nosebowl and lower is one piece that-is split vertically for easy access to alter nator? - Brock --- On Tue, 10/12/10, Scott Trejo wrote: From: Scott Trejo Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling Gary, -Did you ever make the upper cowling 1 piece, -no center hinge fo r doors? - -If its a option I would like no doors except an oil dip sti ck door. Scott Trejo On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: Hi Mark, All very good questions. As delivered, the cowling should (optimum world) fit with just trimming to the 'end-of-part' lines. -I'll try a couple just to make sure. In the original installation instructions, the baffles needed to be mostly fabricated from an RV6 baffle set. -That no longer applies. -I've spent waaaaay tooooo much time and money fine tuning the baffles. -They will f it with minor trim and rivets. You'll need a centerline hinge from Fletcher. -Get one that has had the p lastic removed before it was riveted together. -Get one that ISN'T painte d. -For some reason, on the last several I've received, the plastic has b een left on one side and then the whole piece is painted with rattle can pr imer. -It looks very hacked. -With a clean, no paint hinge, you can mas k it after install, prime and paint the upper cowling, and leave the hinge silver. -Looks good. -Plus, the paint won't crack and look like shit th e first time you open the cowling. The landing light housing I use takes the stock landing light hardware. - If it takes longer than 5 minutes to install (after you install the nut pla tes), you're doing something wrong. The cowling is held down by #4 or #5 cam locks. -Depends on how much pain t is on there. -Mine uses #5, the last one, Ned's used #4. -You'll need 10 cam-lock studs, retainer rings, and receptacles. - That's about it. Gary From:-Mark T. Mueller To:-teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent:-Tue, October 12, 2010 7:26:04 AM Subject:-TeamGrumman-List: RE: deal on the Jaguar cowling omcast.net> Time: 10:03:11 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: deal on the Jaguar cowling I heard that AJ posted to the GG about the deal on the Jaguar cowling. -S o far, I've heard nothing. Can't seem to give 'em away. ___________________________________________________________ Gary, I am interested, but would like what the "fly-away" cost really looks like. I understand you buy the cowling... Then I would have to upgrade my PF exhaust from the Donkey D style to the internal... Then you have to install, then remove for paint... Any other hardware, accessory or other necessary costs associated with installation? Latches, hinges? -Will my nose bowl landing light href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:02 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: fabricating your own parts From: "discover" <923te@att.net> see page 6: http://rgl.faa.gov/regulatory_and_guidance_library/rgorders.nsf/0/d1d550bbc2c82dd386257472005724ef/$FILE/Order%208110.42C.pdf d. Aircraft Owners or Operators. Owners and operators may produce parts for installation on their own product without a PMA. The installation of these parts must comply with applicable airworthiness standards. If an owner or operator intends to sell a part for installation on another owners aircraft, then that owner or operator requires a PMA. Good Review here: http://150cessna.tripod.com/parts.html Another one here: http://www.stinsonvoyager.com/Owner%20Produced%20Parts.htm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=315519#315519 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:42 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Power Flow Exhaust fairings From: "discover" <923te@att.net> Gary, Which one of these would be best for my Tiger? Or do you have a new one that works even better your working on? 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