---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/22/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Re: lost key (Tom Quinn) 2. 07:01 AM - Re: Pro-seal (James Courtney) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: Pro-seal (Tom Quinn) 4. 08:04 AM - Cowling and Power Flow (b v) 5. 09:35 AM - Re: Pro-seal (Gary Vogt) 6. 10:25 AM - Re: Cowling and Power Flow (Gary Vogt) 7. 11:36 AM - Re: Pro-seal (James Courtney) 8. 12:10 PM - Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) (discover) 9. 01:20 PM - Re: lost key (Ronald Millman CPA) 10. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) (flyv35b) 11. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) (923te) 12. 06:02 PM - Re: Pro-seal (Gary Vogt) 13. 06:07 PM - Re: lost key (Gary Vogt) 14. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) (Gary Vogt) 15. 06:38 PM - Project X plane (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:21 AM PST US From: "Tom Quinn" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: lost key My canopy lock is very temperamental. Sometimes it locks, sometimes it doesn=99t. Has anyone had this problem? Tom Quinn President TQI Solutions A SDVOSB Corporation Tel (757) 204-4618 Cell (757) 573-6818 Fax (757) 204-4628 quinn_tom@tqiinc.com www.tqiinc.com From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:41 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: lost key BUT, did the 91-92 AGs use the same key? That's the question. _____ From: Scott Boyce Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 4:43:44 PM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: lost key Mine doesn=99t. Good luck. Scott Boyce N28339 Boise, Id From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: lost key I removed the baggage door lock assembly. I'm going to get a key made for it and hope like hell it fits the ignition. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGruank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/contri== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:12 AM PST US From: "James Courtney" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal You have the paperwork for that mod? Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal I had a new gutter installed on the back of my house. I watched the guy seal it with non-hardening RTV. It looked like it would work the way he did it. It leaked, of course. So, I got a ladder, climbed up there, stripped off as much RTV as I could, cleaned it up, riveted the joint together, and resealed with fuel tank sealant. Now we wait for rain. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 23:34:00 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:52 AM PST US From: "Tom Quinn" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal I'm sure he submitted an STC (Sealed The Crack) Tom Quinn N249RR From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Courtney Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal You have the paperwork for that mod? Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal I had a new gutter installed on the back of my house. I watched the guy seal it with non-hardening RTV. It looked like it would work the way he did it. It leaked, of course. So, I got a ladder, climbed up there, stripped off as much RTV as I could, cleaned it up, riveted the joint together, and resealed with fuel tank sealant. Now we wait for rain. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 23:34:00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:28 AM PST US From: b v Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling and Power Flow Hi Gary, I am guessing this price is with Short Stack PF with polished exhaust pipe, right? What is the deposit amount for this offer? Apparently PF also offers ceramic exhaust pipe. What is your recommendatoin as far as ceramic pipe? What would be the price with ceramic? Thank you, -Boris N28739 @ KSMQ(NJ) > Time: 08:48:48 PM PST US > From: Gary Vogt > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling and Power Flow > > Here is the deal. Power Flow is offering me a > discount on sales with my cowling > > through the end of the year. > > Cowling (less shipping) and Power Flow (less shipping; I > can have them drop > shipped to you at an additional cost to be determined at > the time.): $9600 > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:31 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal supposed to rain today or tomorrow. we'll see=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________ _______________=0AFrom: Tom Quinn =0ATo: teamgrumman- list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, October 22, 2010 7:08:36 AM=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal=0A=0A =0AI=99m sure he submitted an STC (S ealed The Crack)=0A =0ATom Quinn=0AN249RR=0AFrom:owner-teamgrumman-list-ser ver@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] O n Behalf Of James Courtney=0ASent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:57 AM=0ATo: t eamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal=0A =0AYou have the paperwork for that mod?=0A =0AJamey=0A =0A =0AFrom:owner-te amgrumman-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-serve r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt=0ASent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:29 PM=0ATo: Teamgrumman List=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal=0A =0A I had a new gutter installed on the back of my house. I watched the guy se al it =0Awith non-hardening RTV. It looked like it would work the way he d id it. It =0Aleaked, of course. So, I got a ladder, climbed up there, str ipped off as much =0ARTV as I could, cleaned it up, riveted the joint toget her, and resealed with =0Afuel tank sealant. Now we wait for rain.=0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0A =0Aht tp://forums.matronics.com=0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A .com=0A23:34:00=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman- List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ================== =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:54 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling and Power Flow None of this is as simple as I wish it were. Power Flow is offering me a discount for the PFS with a ceramic muffler. . . . "IF" . . . . . I sell more than 5 cowlings WITH the PFS. That allows me to bundle both for $9600. If I sell less than 5 cowlings with the Power Flow the deal jumps to $9750. I would like to sell all 10 cowlings with Power Flows; best of both worlds. I have until the end of the year to know what kind of deal I'll be getting. I'll pass along any savings to you, and you, and you . . . . I can get the polished pipe for about . . . . this too, depends on how many are ordered. Anywhere from $150 to $160 less. ________________________________ From: b v Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 8:02:05 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling and Power Flow Hi Gary, I am guessing this price is with Short Stack PF with polished exhaust pipe, right? What is the deposit amount for this offer? Apparently PF also offers ceramic exhaust pipe. What is your recommendatoin as far as ceramic pipe? What would be the price with ceramic? Thank you, -Boris N28739 @ KSMQ(NJ) > Time: 08:48:48 PM PST US > From: Gary Vogt > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling and Power Flow > > Here is the deal. Power Flow is offering me a > discount on sales with my cowling > > through the end of the year. > > Cowling (less shipping) and Power Flow (less shipping; I > can have them drop > shipped to you at an additional cost to be determined at > the time.): $9600 > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:57 AM PST US From: "James Courtney" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal It=99s raining here so you=99ll likely see it soonL Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal supposed to rain today or tomorrow. we'll see _____ From: Tom Quinn Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 7:08:36 AM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal I=99m sure he submitted an STC (Sealed The Crack) Tom Quinn N249RR From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Courtney Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal You have the paperwork for that mod? Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal I had a new gutter installed on the back of my house. I watched the guy seal it with non-hardening RTV. It looked like it would work the way he did it. It leaked, of course. So, I got a ladder, climbed up there, stripped off as much RTV as I could, cleaned it up, riveted the joint together, and resealed with fuel tank sealant. Now we wait for rain. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 23:34:00 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution --> http://www.matronics.com/con=============== = Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 23:34:00 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:12 PM PST US Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) From: "discover" <923te@att.net> Hey Cliff, Are you aware of Firewall Forwards STC's for 10:1 pistons for Mooneys and Cessna Cardinals? Yes, they had to demonstrate he detonation margins to get the STC approved. And it is the angle valve engine.. Ned I don't know if the FAA will issue a multiple STC for an engine with 10:1 CR without a lot of "detonation margin" testing. You obviously have a fair amount of experience with 10:1 CR with apparently no problems with 100LL fuel at least and that will not only increase HP and BSFC and be especially beneficial at high altitude where the engine would not be derated by limiting MP. A 9.0:1 CR might be much easier to get approved. The only real practical solution to the replacement of 100LL will be with a fuel that all the engines certified on 100LL fuel will be able to operate on without any changes, such as G100UL. Cliff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316695#316695 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:18 PM PST US From: "Ronald Millman CPA" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: lost key =EF=BBYes We had that problem with our '77 Tiger. The nut and bolt that holds the vertical pin was a little loose. Ron Millman, Glendale, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Quinn To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:33 AM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: lost key My canopy lock is very temperamental. Sometimes it locks, sometimes it doesn=99t. Has anyone had this problem? Tom Quinn President TQI Solutions A SDVOSB Corporation Tel (757) 204-4618 Cell (757) 573-6818 Fax (757) 204-4628 quinn_tom@tqiinc.com www.tqiinc.com From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:41 PM To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: lost key BUT, did the 91-92 AGs use the same key? That's the question. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Scott Boyce To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 4:43:44 PM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: lost key Mine doesn=99t. Good luck. Scott Boyce N28339 Boise, Id From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:27 PM To: Teamgrumman List Subject: TeamGrumman-List: lost key I removed the baggage door lock assembly. I'm going to get a key made for it and hope like hell it fits the ignition. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGruank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/contri=== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Listhttp://forums.matronic s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:43 PM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) Ned, I didn't know that. Any restrictions on that STC? I think I recall reading that the angle valve engine might be slightly less prone to detonation because of the combustion chamber shaft. But it's probably not more than 0.2 CR difference. Heck, I'm going to be running about 9.7 CR on my 356 Porsche on 92 octane auto gas. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "discover" <923te@att.net> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) > > Hey Cliff, > > Are you aware of Firewall Forwards STC's for 10:1 pistons for Mooneys and > Cessna Cardinals? Yes, they had to demonstrate he detonation margins to > get the STC approved. And it is the angle valve engine.. > > Ned > > I don't know if the FAA will issue a multiple STC for an engine with 10:1 > CR without a lot of "detonation margin" testing. You obviously have a > fair amount of experience with 10:1 CR with apparently no problems with > 100LL fuel at least and that will not only increase HP and BSFC and be > especially beneficial at high altitude where the engine would not be > derated by limiting MP. A 9.0:1 CR might be much easier to get > approved. The only real practical solution to the replacement of 100LL > will be with a fuel that all the engines certified on 100LL fuel will be > able to operate on without any changes, such as G100UL. > Cliff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316695#316695 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:17 PM PST US From: "923te" <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) Cliff, I think there is a manifold pressure limitation based on OAT and Barometric pressure, ie if it's really cold (dense air) and at sea level then you have to limit MP...this is what the salesman told me on the telephone some time ago... More info From: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=70358 Two FAA certified examples of 10:1 pistons 1) The helicopter engine HIO-360-D1A which is rated at 190HP at 3200RPM on 100/100LL with compression ratio of 10.00:1 2) Firewall Forward has STC'd 10:1 pistons in the Mooney and Cardinal without RPM restrictions according to their representative spoke with. http://firewallforward.com/horsepowerplusstc.pdf Admittedly, these are not paraleel valve but are angle valve engines but they do show that the FAA has approved 10:1 pistons at or above 2700rpm Then you would have to do similar proof tests just as Firewall Forward did: "The airframe and power plant certification testing involved engine dyno runs to verify and document both H.P. and torque increases; engine detonation testing performed at sea level conditions by authorized FAA testing facilities; engine oil cooling tests performed by the FAA at gross weight, max rate of climb and an ambient temperature of 100F, engine propeller vibration and increase torque compatibility testing performed by McCauley Engineers in Dayton, Ohio; effects of torque increases on both spin entry and recovery in all flight regimes, and engine out and airstart procedures evaluated for P.O.H. compliance." ----- Original Message ----- From: flyv35b To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) Ned, I didn't know that. Any restrictions on that STC? I think I recall reading that the angle valve engine might be slightly less prone to detonation because of the combustion chamber shaft. But it's probably not more than 0.2 CR difference. Heck, I'm going to be running about 9.7 CR on my 356 Porsche on 92 octane auto gas. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "discover" <923te@att.net> To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) > > Hey Cliff, > > Are you aware of Firewall Forwards STC's for 10:1 pistons for Mooneys and > Cessna Cardinals? Yes, they had to demonstrate he detonation margins to > get the STC approved. And it is the angle valve engine.. > > Ned > > I don't know if the FAA will issue a multiple STC for an engine with 10:1 > CR without a lot of "detonation margin" testing. You obviously have a > fair amount of experience with 10:1 CR with apparently no problems with > 100LL fuel at least and that will not only increase HP and BSFC and be > especially beneficial at high altitude where the engine would not be > derated by limiting MP. A 9.0:1 CR might be much easier to get > approved. The only real practical solution to the replacement of 100LL > will be with a fuel that all the engines certified on 100LL fuel will be > able to operate on without any changes, such as G100UL. > Cliff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316695#316695 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:36 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal We got a few drops. I think the big stuff comes tonight.=0A=0A=0A=0A______ __________________________=0AFrom: James Courtney =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, October 22, 2010 11:33:2 1 AM=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal=0A=0A =0AIt=99s rainin g here so you=99ll likely see it soonL=0A =0AJamey=0A =0A =0AFrom:own er-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt=0ASent: Friday, October 22, 20 10 9:33 AM=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman- List: Pro-seal=0A =0Asupposed to rain today or tomorrow. we'll see=0A =0A =0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Tom Quinn =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, October 22, 2010 7:0 8:36 AM=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal=0AI=99m sure he sub mitted an STC (Sealed The Crack)=0A =0ATom Quinn=0AN249RR=0AFrom:owner-team grumman-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Courtney=0ASent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:57 AM=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: TeamGrumman-Li st: Pro-seal=0A =0AYou have the paperwork for that mod?=0A =0AJamey=0A =0A =0AFrom:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-teamgr umman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt=0ASent: Thursday, O ctober 21, 2010 1:29 PM=0ATo: Teamgrumman List=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Pro-seal=0A =0AI had a new gutter installed on the back of my house. I wa tched the guy seal it =0Awith non-hardening RTV. It looked like it would w ork the way he did it. It =0Aleaked, of course. So, I got a ladder, climb ed up there, stripped off as much =0ARTV as I could, cleaned it up, riveted the joint together, and resealed with =0Afuel tank sealant. Now we wait f or rain.=0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumma n-List=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/c by AVG - www.avg.com=0A23:34:00=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?TeamGrumman-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.c om/contribution=0A =0A --> http://forums.matronhref==0A =0A=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0Ahttp://forums.matr onics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0ANo virus found in ============== =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:19 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: lost key I had a key made from the baggage door lock. After I put the baggage door back =0Atogether, I tried the canopy; it worked. Then I tried the ignition . Wouldn't =0Aya know. It worked too. There isn't a lot of good things I can say about the =0AAG5B. However, using the same key for all three lock s was an awesome idea.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ronald Millman CPA =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics .com=0ASent: Fri, October 22, 2010 1:07:53 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-Li st: lost key=0A=0A=EF=BB =0AYes We had that problem with our '77 Tiger .=0AThe nut and bolt that holds the vertical pin was a little loose.=0ARon Millman, Glendale, CA=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Tom Quinn =0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:33 AM=0A>Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: lost key=0A>=0A>=0A>My cano py lock is very temperamental. Sometimes it locks, sometimes it =0A>does n=99t. Has anyone had this problem?=0A> =0A>Tom Quinn=0A>President =0A>TQI Solutions=0A>A SDVOSB Corporation=0A>Tel (757) 204-4618=0A>Ce ll (757) 573-6818=0A>Fax (757) 204-4628=0A>quinn_tom@tqiinc.com=0A>ww w.tqiinc.com=0A> =0A>From:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com =0A>[ mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vo gt=0A>Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:41 PM=0A>To: teamgrumman-list@mat ronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: lost key=0A> =0A>BUT, did the 91-92 AGs use the same key? That's the question.=0A> =0A>=0A_____ ___________________________=0A =0A>From:Scott Boyce =0A>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 4 :43:44 PM=0A>Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: lost key=0A>Mine doesn =99t. Good luck.=0A> =0A>Scott Boyce =0A>N28339=0A>Boise, Id=0A> =0A>From:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com =0A>[mailto:owner-t eamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt=0A>Sent: Th ursday, October 21, 2010 2:27 PM=0A>To: Teamgrumman List=0A>Subject: TeamGr umman-List: lost key=0A> =0A>I removed the baggage door lock assembly . I'm going to get a key made for it =0A>and hope like hell it fits the ignition.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Tea mGrumman-List=0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution=0A> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGruank" =0A>href ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com rel="nofollo w" =0A>target="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/contri=== =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-L ist=0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A> =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:37 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) The angle valve engine is actually more prone to detonation due to the large valve pockets cut into the piston crown. Parallel valve engines with 14.7:1 have been run at Reno on 100LL. ________________________________ From: flyv35b Sent: Fri, October 22, 2010 1:40:16 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) Ned, I didn't know that. Any restrictions on that STC? I think I recall reading that the angle valve engine might be slightly less prone to detonation because of the combustion chamber shaft. But it's probably not more than 0.2 CR difference. Heck, I'm going to be running about 9.7 CR on my 356 Porsche on 92 octane auto gas. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "discover" <923te@att.net> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: IO-360 B1E (180 hp) > > Hey Cliff, > > Are you aware of Firewall Forwards STC's for 10:1 pistons for Mooneys and >Cessna Cardinals? Yes, they had to demonstrate he detonation margins to get the >STC approved. And it is the angle valve engine.. > > Ned > > I don't know if the FAA will issue a multiple STC for an engine with 10:1 CR >without a lot of "detonation margin" testing. You obviously have a fair amount >of experience with 10:1 CR with apparently no problems with 100LL fuel at least >and that will not only increase HP and BSFC and be especially beneficial at >high altitude where the engine would not be derated by limiting MP. A 9.0:1 >CR might be much easier to get approved. The only real practical solution to >the replacement of 100LL will be with a fuel that all the engines certified on >100LL fuel will be able to operate on without any changes, such as G100UL. > Cliff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316695#316695 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:34 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Project X plane Here are some pics of the plane's interior. It's all back together now. Without a side-by-side comparison it's hard to comprehend the difference. I used a handheld florescent drop cord for the lighting. The colors are off a bit. I capped off the rear seat heat and installed the plastic console panels. Gained 2 inched of foot room on each side; saved about 8 lbs in weight. Plus, they are easy to remove for maintenance. I wish the trim wheel and flap switch were in their correct places. I'd put in a cup holder. The modified cowling (with a new inlet design and K&N air filter from a Tiger) is nearing it's final fabrication steps. Initially Dave thought it would take a week. Two weeks later he's still making parts/molds/tooling. He promises me it will be soon. I can't wait to fly it. 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