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Sun 11/14/10


Total Messages Posted: 5



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     1. 09:03 AM - Re: Jamey, A36 stuff cheap? (flyv35b)
     2. 09:44 AM - Post Flight Question - Oil? (lmassaro)
     3. 12:03 PM - Re: Post Flight Question - Oil? (Gary Vogt)
     4. 07:38 PM - Re: Post Flight Question - Oil? (lmassaro)
     5. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: Post Flight Question - Oil? (Linn Walters)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:03:01 AM PST US
    From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: Re: Jamey, A36 stuff cheap?
    TeamGrumman-List: Jamey, A36 stuff cheap?Jamey, Ned has more airplanes than Carter has liver pills! I think it's an RV-6A that he owns. I'm sure he'll let you know for sure. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: James Courtney To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Jamey, A36 stuff cheap? Thanks for thinking of me Ned but nothing I need there. My good friend (also an A36 owner) is looking likely to purchase an RV-8 kit soon. I'm looking forward to working on that with him. Neat airplanes those RVs and boy did we have fun ogling the experimental avionics like the new Dynon P/MFDs at AOPA Expo on Thursday. Damn shame we can't get that stuff for the certified planes at a reasonable cost. You also have some form of RV right? Jamey From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of discover Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 3:12 PM To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Jamey, A36 stuff cheap? Hey Jamey, I thought you might be4 interested in this A36 stuff http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=64434 Ned Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319293#319293 http://www.matronics.com/cgenerous ; -Matt Dralle, List nbsp; - The TeamGrumman-List Email href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.m Same great content also available via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _============= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / 11/13/10


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    Time: 09:44:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Post Flight Question - Oil?
    From: "lmassaro" <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
    OK, this may sound smart or it may sound dumb. I am told the primary reason for engine corrosion is the water in the crankcase reacts with the sulfur compounds in the oil to form H2SO4 (i still remember some of my high school chemistry). Now after a flight I typically open the cowl and do a check of the engine compartment to make sure nothing is amiss. I check the oil (even though the level isn't very readable until the engine cools). Now, here's the question. When the oil fill is opened, a fair amount of steam comes out. In fact, it will continue to do so for quite a while. Does this help rid the crankcase of any excess H20 (that would re-condense as the engine cools) or would it normally vent via the air-oil separator anyway post flight? (or) Does it not really matter since the crankcase is not "hermetically sealed" and any humidity in the air will eventually work its way into the oil during non flight? Just the engineer in me coming out... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319331#319331


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    Time: 12:03:39 PM PST US
    From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Post Flight Question - Oil?
    this is the primary reason why you need to have an oil temp in the 190-200 degree range long enough to cook off any moisture. Flights of less than 30 min do little to protect your engine. Starting the engine to get the oil to circulate and coat things is fine if you don't let the engine get warm. Like 2 minutes. Anything that warms up the oil is enough to cause condensation in the crankcase. ________________________________ From: lmassaro <lmassaro@tac-eng.com> Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 9:42:04 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Post Flight Question - Oil? OK, this may sound smart or it may sound dumb. I am told the primary reason for engine corrosion is the water in the crankcase reacts with the sulfur compounds in the oil to form H2SO4 (i still remember some of my high school chemistry). Now after a flight I typically open the cowl and do a check of the engine compartment to make sure nothing is amiss. I check the oil (even though the level isn't very readable until the engine cools). Now, here's the question. When the oil fill is opened, a fair amount of steam comes out. In fact, it will continue to do so for quite a while. Does this help rid the crankcase of any excess H20 (that would re-condense as the engine cools) or would it normally vent via the air-oil separator anyway post flight? (or) Does it not really matter since the crankcase is not "hermetically sealed" and any humidity in the air will eventually work its way into the oil during non flight? Just the engineer in me coming out... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319331#319331


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    Time: 07:38:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Post Flight Question - Oil?
    From: "lmassaro" <lmassaro@tac-eng.com>
    I rarely fly less than 45 minutes at a clip for that very reason. Interesting side note... There is this old beater C152 tied down at my A/P. Never seen it fly, but have seen the owner get in multiple times, start it up, run it for 20 minutes at ~1500 RPM while its tied down. He thinks he's doing his engine good but in actuality is accelerating is ultimate death. Told him this but he didn't seem to pay much attention to us. So back to the original question...Given i fly long enough to get the oil hot (assuming 190 at the temp probe is >220 at the heads/etc.), does venting the steam from the filler cap at the end of a flight make any sense? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319369#319369


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    Time: 08:42:04 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Post Flight Question - Oil?
    On 11/14/2010 10:36 PM, lmassaro wrote: snip > So back to the original question...Given i fly long enough to get the oil hot (assuming 190 at the temp probe is>220 at the heads/etc.), does venting the steam from the filler cap at the end of a flight make any sense? It does to me. I think it's one of the 'can't hurt' thingys. I open up the filler cap and let it vent while I do my post flight chores and then check the oil level so I can fill (to 6 qts) if needed so I don't get delayed just prior to my next flight. Linn > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319369#319369 > >




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