---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/16/10: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:13 AM - nose strut (Gary Vogt) 2. 01:01 PM - Re: nose strut (flyv35b) 3. 02:11 PM - Re: nose strut (FLYaDIVE) 4. 02:38 PM - Re: nose strut (Linn Walters) 5. 06:34 PM - Re: nose strut (Garner Rice) 6. 07:56 PM - Re: nose strut (Gary Vogt) 7. 08:28 PM - Re: nose strut (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:56 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen. Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench. The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could. The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this clean. After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it. I'll see how it looks in a few hours. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:01 PM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut I wouldn't waste any time on it. I'd call it unairworthy. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Vogt To: Teamgrumman List Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen. Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench. The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could. The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this clean. After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it. I'll see how it looks in a few hours. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut From: FLYaDIVE Gary: Was the strut cavity deformed because he might have over tighten the bolt. Barry On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a > fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen. > > Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench. > > The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could. > > The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this clean. > > > After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it. > I'll see how it looks in a few hours. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:16 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut Now that's ridiculous. You should be able to bill a line item for recovery of part from hands of incompetent A&P. Actually, I really think the FAA should be advised. This level of professionalism could get somebody killed. IMHO, of course. Linn On 12/16/2010 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a > fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen. > > Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench. > > The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could. > > The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this > clean. > > After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted > it. I'll see how it looks in a few hours. > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:38 PM PST US From: Garner Rice Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut He must have not used a calibrated pipe wrench. I have talked to mechanics that have admitted useing a large pipe wrench and heated the joint to almo st a red glow. They are out there working on planes. Garner From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut Now that's ridiculous. You should be able to bill a line item for recovery of part from hands of incompetent A&P. Actually=2C I really think the FAA should be advised. This level of professionalism could get somebody kille d. IMHO=2C of course. Linn On 12/16/2010 2:10 PM=2C Gary Vogt wrote: this is=2C without exception=2C the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen. Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench. The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could. The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this clean. After sanding and cleaning=2C I acid etched it=2C primed it=2C and painted it. I'll see how it looks in a few hours. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:16 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut good catch, Barry. I'll check. ________________________________ From: FLYaDIVE Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 2:09:00 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut Gary: Was the strut cavity deformed because he might have over tighten the bolt. Barry On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen. > > >Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench. > > >The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could. > > >The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this clean. > > >After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it. I'll >see how it looks in a few hours. > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:00 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut Oh, oh. I hear a story coming. In 1998, not long after I started working on planes full time, I got a plane that was based in Temecula, CA. It had been maintained by the same mechanic/FBO for the past 15 years. I forget all of the details, but I found 88 items that would ground the plane. I found a total of 119 items that needed to be corrected. At one point, standing in the cockpit (sans seats), and looked around. I said, "OK, I know I have to be on candid camera." The plane was a joke. My mentor, Mike Grimes (look at the authors listed in AC 43-13B), told me to report the mechanic to the FAA. I did. I followed up on it and was told there really wasn't anything they could do. The mechanic in Columbia, CA needs to be closed down too. ________________________________ From: Linn Walters Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 2:34:39 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut Now that's ridiculous. You should be able to bill a line item for recovery of part from hands of incompetent A&P. Actually, I really think the FAA should be advised. This level of professionalism could get somebody killed. IMHO, of course. Linn On 12/16/2010 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen. > > >Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench. > > >The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could. > > >The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this >clean. > > >After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted >it. I'll see how it looks in a few hours. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.