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1. 07:43 AM - Re: nose strut (Dean White)
2. 09:13 AM - Re: nose strut (Ronald Millman CPA)
3. 12:02 PM - Re: nose strut (Gary Vogt)
4. 12:24 PM - Re: nose strut (Brian Hausknecht)
5. 03:32 PM - Re: nose strut (Ronald Millman CPA)
6. 03:45 PM - Re: nose strut (Ronald Millman CPA)
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I have complained to the FAA before about shoddy work and have been told
by
two different FSDOs that there was nothing that they could do. They
don't
care about professionalism or quality, just their darn paperwork. I do
not
have an A&P but will always check the work of a mechanic who is new to
me
who is working on my plane. I'm the one who is putting my life on the
line
when it flies and a good mechanic doesn't care if another set of eyes is
looking on if you stay out of the way.
Dean White (Tiger81166)
Edmonds, WA 98026
dmwhite@e3ra.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Vogt
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
Oh, oh. I hear a story coming.
In 1998, not long after I started working on planes full time, I got a
plane
that was based in Temecula, CA. It had been maintained by the same
mechanic/FBO for the past 15 years. I forget all of the details, but I
found 88 items that would ground the plane. I found a total of 119
items
that needed to be corrected. At one point, standing in the cockpit
(sans
seats), and looked around. I said, "OK, I know I have to be on candid
camera." The plane was a joke. My mentor, Mike Grimes (look at the
authors
listed in AC 43-13B), told me to report the mechanic to the FAA. I did.
I
followed up on it and was told there really wasn't anything they could
do.
The mechanic in Columbia, CA needs to be closed down too.
_____
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, December 16, 2010 2:34:39 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
Now that's ridiculous. You should be able to bill a line item for
recovery
of part from hands of incompetent A&P. Actually, I really think the FAA
should be advised. This level of professionalism could get somebody
killed.
IMHO, of course.
Linn
On 12/16/2010 2:10 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a
fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen.
Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.
The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.
The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this
clean.
After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it.
I'll see how it looks in a few hours.
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?Well Gary, Bill Mallory and I had a terrific time removing
the nosewheel strut on my Tiger a couple of years ago.
But will Bill's many years of experience and my CPA muscle
we got it loose.
Apparently it had not been removed in a long, long time.
Ron Millman AA5B @ KWHP L.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Vogt<mailto:teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
To: Teamgrumman List<mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:10 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a
fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen.
Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.
The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.
The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this
clean.
After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted
it. I'll see how it looks in a few hours.
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About 20 years ago. I took an old nose strut to a shop that makes trailer
hitches. Using trailer receiver hitch box tubing, they built me a 7.5 foot
lever arm which collapses (telescopes) down to just over 4 feet. The end that
attaches to the nose strut is the same size and diameter as the nose gear fork.
I can use the castled nut to hole it in place. I had it powder coated in black
wrinkle.
Even with that, I had one plane that took two people to lift up one end enough
to break the nose strut loose. Then, we both pulled on it to get it to move the
other way. That strut took 3 days to remove.
________________________________
From: Ronald Millman CPA <ronmillmancpa@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 9:00:04 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
Well Gary, Bill Mallory and I had a terrific time removing
the nosewheel strut on my Tiger a couple of years ago.
But will Bill's many years of experience and my CPA muscle
we got it loose.
Apparently it had not been removed in a long, long time.
Ron Millman AA5B @ KWHP L.A.
----- Original Message -----
>From: Gary Vogt
>To: Teamgrumman List
>Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:10 AM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
>
>
>this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing a
>fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever seen.
>
>
>Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.
>
>
>The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.
>
>
>The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this clean.
>
>
>After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted it.
> I'll see how it looks in a few hours.
>
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?No problem. All it takes is very occasional removal, cleaning,
replacement and sealing. It's a really great system.
My Tiger is 33 years old, and flies like new. 141KTS.
R
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Hausknecht<mailto:bhauskne@gmail.com>
To:
teamgrumman-list@matronics.com<mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
Gee, that sounds good to me. Nice solid construction, strong bond. No
gear parts falling off like you have with a Cessna. What's the problem?
LOL
Brian Hausknecht
bhauskne@gmail.com<mailto:bhauskne@gmail.com>
www.brianflys.net<http://www.brianflys.net/>
www.brianflys.com<http://www.brianflys.com/>
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From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com<mailto:teamgrumman@yahoo.com>>
Sender:
owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list
-server@matronics.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:53:16 -0800 (PST)
To: <teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
ReplyTo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
About 20 years ago. I took an old nose strut to a shop that makes
trailer hitches. Using trailer receiver hitch box tubing, they built me
a 7.5 foot lever arm which collapses (telescopes) down to just over 4
feet. The end that attaches to the nose strut is the same size and
diameter as the nose gear fork. I can use the castled nut to hole it in
place. I had it powder coated in black wrinkle.
Even with that, I had one plane that took two people to lift up one
end enough to break the nose strut loose. Then, we both pulled on it to
get it to move the other way. That strut took 3 days to remove.
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From: Ronald Millman CPA <ronmillmancpa@msn.com>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 9:00:04 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
Well Gary, Bill Mallory and I had a terrific time removing
the nosewheel strut on my Tiger a couple of years ago.
But will Bill's many years of experience and my CPA muscle
we got it loose.
Apparently it had not been removed in a long, long time.
Ron Millman AA5B @ KWHP L.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Vogt<mailto:teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
To: Teamgrumman List<mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:10 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing
a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever
seen.
Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.
The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.
The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this
clean.
After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted
it. I'll see how it looks in a few hours.
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?All the more reason to remove them once in a while.
And reinstall them properly sealed.
Ron.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Vogt<mailto:teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
To:
teamgrumman-list@matronics.com<mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
About 20 years ago. I took an old nose strut to a shop that makes
trailer hitches. Using trailer receiver hitch box tubing, they built me
a 7.5 foot lever arm which collapses (telescopes) down to just over 4
feet. The end that attaches to the nose strut is the same size and
diameter as the nose gear fork. I can use the castled nut to hole it in
place. I had it powder coated in black wrinkle.
Even with that, I had one plane that took two people to lift up one
end enough to break the nose strut loose. Then, we both pulled on it to
get it to move the other way. That strut took 3 days to remove.
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From: Ronald Millman CPA <ronmillmancpa@msn.com>
To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 9:00:04 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
Well Gary, Bill Mallory and I had a terrific time removing
the nosewheel strut on my Tiger a couple of years ago.
But will Bill's many years of experience and my CPA muscle
we got it loose.
Apparently it had not been removed in a long, long time.
Ron Millman AA5B @ KWHP L.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Vogt<mailto:teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
To: Teamgrumman List<mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:10 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: nose strut
this is, without exception, the worst case of a mechanic not knowing
a fucking thing about Grummans (I can say that here) that I've ever
seen.
Strut had been removed using a hammer and chain and pipe wrench.
The pics were taken AFTER I had sanded it out the best I could.
The strut was covered with rust. It took a long time to get it this
clean.
After sanding and cleaning, I acid etched it, primed it, and painted
it. I'll see how it looks in a few hours.
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