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1. 05:46 AM - FlightPrep patent (b v)
2. 10:21 AM - Re: FlightPrep patent (FLYaDIVE)
3. 11:25 AM - Re: FlightPrep patent (Jim Starkey)
4. 12:33 PM - Re: FlightPrep patent (Don Curry)
5. 01:25 PM - Re: FlightPrep patent (Tom Quinn)
6. 01:35 PM - Re: FlightPrep patent (Linn Walters)
7. 07:33 PM - Re: FlightPrep patent (FLYaDIVE)
8. 07:33 PM - Re: FlightPrep patent (Don Curry)
9. 09:10 PM - Re: FlightPrep patent (Brian Hausknecht)
10. 09:26 PM - Re: FlightPrep patent (Gary Vogt)
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FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line flight planning and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they patented existing technology by using some creative wording. Now they are going after all on-line flight planning companies including FltPlan (http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware (http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-Patent/147) and AOPA(http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Planner_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html) and trying to shake them down.
They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite chart mapping site), www.nacomatic.com and www.flyagogo.net. They managed to intimidate SkyVector into submission.
Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's assault and a threat
to all on-line flight planning sites, particularly the free ones:
http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPrepFlightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
Thank you,
-Boris
P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude thinks that shutting
down flight plannig web sites has no relevance to Grumman pilots. Now I understand
Gary's feelings.
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep patent |
Guys:
I'm going to take a WAG here.
If the same software has been available as a FREE DOMAIN and there is PROOF
of prior existence. Than the organization that has to be chastised is not
FlightPrep. Sure they are trying to pull a quick one. But, it is the
patten office that did not do their homework.
More information is needed, I recall some basic guidelines that SOFTWARE is
a copy-write and not a patten. Yet, if there was a doggle or toggle used to
activate or protect the software THAT could be patented. Any lawyers out
there? How about a class action suit?
Barry
===================================================
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, b v <bvnj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line flight
> planning and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they patented existing
> technology by using some creative wording. Now they are going after all
> on-line flight planning companies including FltPlan (
> http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware (
> http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-Patent/147)
> and AOPA(
> http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Planner_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html)
> and trying to shake them down.
> They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite chart
> mapping site), www.nacomatic.com and www.flyagogo.net. They managed to
> intimidate SkyVector into submission.
>
> Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's assault and a
> threat to all on-line flight planning sites, particularly the free ones:
>
>
> http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPrepFlightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
>
> Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
>
> Thank you,
> -Boris
>
> P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude thinks that
> shutting down flight plannig web sites has no relevance to Grumman pilots.
> Now I understand Gary's feelings.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep patent |
I'm afraid that putting adjectives in all caps doesn't necessarily
make them true. The FlightPrep patent was filed in 2001, which, in
software terms, is centuries back.
The basis of the patent is using a client browser in conjunction with a
server to develop a graphical flight plan. The systems cited as
pre-existing art required all charts, etc., be resident on the client
computer.
A problem with the patent system is that even if neither A nor B is
patentable, A + B is. Another problem is that although something
obvious to practitioners of an art, the courts and the patent office
recognize that almost everything is obvious after the fact.
FlightPrep is indeed being pretty heavy handed and more that tad
greedy. But they're also taking on some very big guns with very large
legal budgets like Jeppesen and AOPA. Unless FlightPrep has backers
with very deep pockets, they'll probably run out of money before
Jeppesen and AOPA run out of appeals.
Software is automatically copyrighted and may or may not be patented.
There was a time that he USPTO considered software to algorithms, which
are not patentable. The Supreme Court found otherwise.
That said, I think a boycott of FlightPrep is not unreasonable. In
their case, A + B was blatantly obvious, they added nothing to the state
of the art, are suppressing useful services, and deserve to be put out
of business by Foreflight on the iPad.
On 12/23/2010 1:16 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
> Guys:
>
> I'm going to take a WAG here.
>
> If the same software has been available as a FREE DOMAIN and there is
> PROOF of prior existence. Than the organization that has to
> be chastised is not FlightPrep. Sure they are trying to pull a quick
> one. But, it is the patten office that did not do their homework.
> More information is needed, I recall some basic guidelines that
> SOFTWARE is a copy-write and not a patten. Yet, if there was a doggle
> or toggle used to activate or protect the software THAT could
> be patented. Any lawyers out there? How about a class action suit?
>
> Barry
> ==========================
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, b v <bvnj@yahoo.com
> <mailto:bvnj@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:bvnj@yahoo.com>>
>
> FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line
> flight planning and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they
> patented existing technology by using some creative wording. Now
> they are going after all on-line flight planning companies
> including FltPlan
> (http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware
> (http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-Patent/147)
> and
> AOPA(http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Planner_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html)
> and trying to shake them down.
> They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite
> chart mapping site), www.nacomatic.com <http://www.nacomatic.com>
> and www.flyagogo.net <http://www.flyagogo.net>. They managed to
> intimidate SkyVector into submission.
>
> Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's
> assault and a threat to all on-line flight planning sites,
> particularly the free ones:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPrepFlightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
>
> Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
>
> Thank you,
> -Boris
>
> P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude
> thinks that shutting down flight plannig web sites has no
> relevance to Grumman pilots. Now I understand Gary's feelings.
>
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| Subject: | FlightPrep patent |
If FlightPrep was issued a proper US Patent for its product, then why is it
wrong for it to protect its patent? Have we so lost sight of the value of
private property in this country that we are willing to call FlightPrep
greedy for wanting to protect its own possession? Have we decided that it
deserves to be boycotted and put out of business for following the law?
That seems harsh and bitter to me. Personally, I don't know if FlightPrep
has a legal and proper patent or if any of the other named parties has
infringed on that patent. I believe the responsible thing to do is hold
fire until the courts have reviewed the matter and ruled. However, if the
patent is deemed legal and proper and if RunwayFinder, AOPA, SkyVector,
FlyaGoGo, et al have used it without the right to do so, then shame on them.
And shame on those who rushed to judgment and took action (boycott or
otherwise) against the true owner of the property. Isn't the strength of a
constitutional republic supposed to be its dedication to the rule of law and
not the emotional appeals of the mob? Beware to all of us, for the next
time the mob wants to take someone's private property it may be one of ours.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server=40matronics.com
=5Bmailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server=40matronics.com=5D On Behalf Of Jim
Starkey
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
I'm afraid that putting adjectives in all caps doesn't necessarily make them
true. The FlightPrep patent was filed in 2001, which, in software terms, is
centuries back.
The basis of the patent is using a client browser in conjunction with a
server to develop a graphical flight plan. The systems cited as
pre-existing art required all charts, etc., be resident on the client
computer.
A problem with the patent system is that even if neither A nor B is
patentable, A + B is. Another problem is that although something obvious to
practitioners of an art, the courts and the patent office recognize that
almost everything is obvious after the fact.
FlightPrep is indeed being pretty heavy handed and more that tad greedy.
But they're also taking on some very big guns with very large legal budgets
like Jeppesen and AOPA. Unless FlightPrep has backers with very deep
pockets, they'll probably run out of money before Jeppesen and AOPA run out
of appeals.
Software is automatically copyrighted and may or may not be patented. There
was a time that he USPTO considered software to algorithms, which are not
patentable. The Supreme Court found otherwise.
That said, I think a boycott of FlightPrep is not unreasonable. In their
case, A + B was blatantly obvious, they added nothing to the state of the
art, are suppressing useful services, and deserve to be put out of business
by Foreflight on the iPad.
On 12/23/2010 1:16 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
Guys:
I'm going to take a WAG here.
If the same software has been available as a FREE DOMAIN and there is PROOF
of prior existence. Than the organization that has to be chastised is not
FlightPrep. Sure they are trying to pull a quick one. But, it is the
patten office that did not do their homework.
More information is needed, I recall some basic guidelines that SOFTWARE is
a copy-write and not a patten. Yet, if there was a doggle or toggle used to
activate or protect the software THAT could be patented. Any lawyers out
there? How about a class action suit?
Barry
=
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, b v <bvnj=40yahoo.com> wrote:
FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line flight
planning and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they patented existing
technology by using some creative wording. Now they are going after all
on-line flight planning companies including FltPlan
(http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware
(http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-Pat
ent/147) and
AOPA(http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Plan
ner_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html) and trying to shake them down.
They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite chart mapping
site), www.nacomatic.com and www.flyagogo.net. They managed to intimidate
SkyVector into submission.
Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's assault and a
threat to all on-line flight planning sites, particularly the free ones:
http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPrepFl
ightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
Thank you,
-Boris
P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude thinks that
shutting down flight plannig web sites has no relevance to Grumman pilots.
Now I understand Gary's feelings.
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| Subject: | FlightPrep patent |
The problem is that Flightprep may have over extended their claim that other
companies have infringed upon their patent and have used their attorneys to
scare small guys, without money, to close down. The bigger corporations that
have deeper pockets basically told Flightprep to stick it where the sun
doesn't shine. If they have overextended their claim on their patent then it
is them who is stealing from others. Until the courts sort this out I am
exercising my first amendment right of speaking out against Flightprep for
using these heavy handed tactics against people who can't defend themselves
and am encouraging my friends to join me in boycotting them as well. Looks
like RunwayFinder has changed his mind in mounting a defense against
Flightprep http://blog.runwayfinder.com/. I will, and I encourage everyone
else, to use what money they would have bought Flightprep products with, to
donate to Dave Parson's legal defense fund once it is up and running.
Tom Quinn
249RR
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[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Curry
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
If FlightPrep was issued a proper US Patent for its product, then why is it
wrong for it to protect its patent? Have we so lost sight of the value of
private property in this country that we are willing to call FlightPrep
greedy for wanting to protect its own possession? Have we decided that it
deserves to be boycotted and put out of business for following the law?
That seems harsh and bitter to me. Personally, I don't know if FlightPrep
has a legal and proper patent or if any of the other named parties has
infringed on that patent. I believe the responsible thing to do is hold
fire until the courts have reviewed the matter and ruled. However, if the
patent is deemed legal and proper and if RunwayFinder, AOPA, SkyVector,
FlyaGoGo, et al have used it without the right to do so, then shame on them.
And shame on those who rushed to judgment and took action (boycott or
otherwise) against the true owner of the property. Isn't the strength of a
constitutional republic supposed to be its dedication to the rule of law and
not the emotional appeals of the mob? Beware to all of us, for the next
time the mob wants to take someone's private property it may be one of ours.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Starkey
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
I'm afraid that putting adjectives in all caps doesn't necessarily make them
true. The FlightPrep patent was filed in 2001, which, in software terms, is
centuries back.
The basis of the patent is using a client browser in conjunction with a
server to develop a graphical flight plan. The systems cited as
pre-existing art required all charts, etc., be resident on the client
computer.
A problem with the patent system is that even if neither A nor B is
patentable, A + B is. Another problem is that although something obvious to
practitioners of an art, the courts and the patent office recognize that
almost everything is obvious after the fact.
FlightPrep is indeed being pretty heavy handed and more that tad greedy.
But they're also taking on some very big guns with very large legal budgets
like Jeppesen and AOPA. Unless FlightPrep has backers with very deep
pockets, they'll probably run out of money before Jeppesen and AOPA run out
of appeals.
Software is automatically copyrighted and may or may not be patented. There
was a time that he USPTO considered software to algorithms, which are not
patentable. The Supreme Court found otherwise.
That said, I think a boycott of FlightPrep is not unreasonable. In their
case, A + B was blatantly obvious, they added nothing to the state of the
art, are suppressing useful services, and deserve to be put out of business
by Foreflight on the iPad.
On 12/23/2010 1:16 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
Guys:
I'm going to take a WAG here.
If the same software has been available as a FREE DOMAIN and there is PROOF
of prior existence. Than the organization that has to be chastised is not
FlightPrep. Sure they are trying to pull a quick one. But, it is the
patten office that did not do their homework.
More information is needed, I recall some basic guidelines that SOFTWARE is
a copy-write and not a patten. Yet, if there was a doggle or toggle used to
activate or protect the software THAT could be patented. Any lawyers out
there? How about a class action suit?
Barry
==========================
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, b v <bvnj@yahoo.com> wrote:
FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line flight
planning and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they patented existing
technology by using some creative wording. Now they are going after all
on-line flight planning companies including FltPlan
(http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware
(http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-Pat
ent/147) and
AOPA(http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Plan
ner_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html) and trying to shake them down.
They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite chart mapping
site), www.nacomatic.com and www.flyagogo.net. They managed to intimidate
SkyVector into submission.
Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's assault and a
threat to all on-line flight planning sites, particularly the free ones:
http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPrepFl
ightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
Thank you,
-Boris
P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude thinks that
shutting down flight plannig web sites has no relevance to Grumman pilots.
Now I understand Gary's feelings.
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep patent |
In this age of heavy litigation, it's not really who is right, but who
has the deeper pockets. I have no dog in this fight .... I think that's
illegal anyway ..... but we, as consumers have few options to convey to
a business that we don't like their way of doing business. A boycott is
one of the few ways available. From what I've seen, the patent office
issues patents when there isn't a conflict with available patents .....
and then leaves it up to the courts to decide if the patent is pure or
not. Given the vagaries of judges in this country, I don't see that as
a really good plan .... but it is what it is. So, whether the patent is
valid or not makes no difference .... the presentation to the legal
system becomes the deciding factor. IMHO, of course.
Linn
On 12/23/2010 3:29 PM, Don Curry wrote:
>
> If FlightPrep was issued a proper US Patent for its product, then why
> is it wrong for it to protect its patent? Have we so lost sight of
> the value of private property in this country that we are willing to
> call FlightPrep greedy for wanting to protect its own possession?
> Have we decided that it deserves to be boycotted and put out of
> business for following the law? That seems harsh and bitter to me.
> Personally, I don't know if FlightPrep has a legal and proper patent
> or if any of the other named parties has infringed on that patent. I
> believe the responsible thing to do is hold fire until the courts have
> reviewed the matter and ruled. However, if the patent is deemed legal
> and proper and if RunwayFinder, AOPA, SkyVector, FlyaGoGo, et al have
> used it without the right to do so, then shame on them. And shame on
> those who rushed to judgment and took action (boycott or otherwise)
> against the true owner of the property. Isn't the strength of a
> constitutional republic supposed to be its dedication to the rule of
> law and not the emotional appeals of the mob? Beware to all of us,
> for the next time the mob wants to take someone's private property it
> may be one of ours.
>
> Don
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FlightPrep patent |
http://www.wvfc.org/b/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3735
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Don Curry <don.curry@inbox.com> wrote:
> If FlightPrep was issued a proper US Patent for its product, then why is
> it wrong for it to protect its patent? Have we so lost sight of the valu
e
> of private property in this country that we are willing to call FlightPre
p
> greedy for wanting to protect its own possession? Have we decided that i
t
> deserves to be boycotted and put out of business for following the law?
> That seems harsh and bitter to me. Personally, I don=92t know if FlightP
rep
> has a legal and proper patent or if any of the other named parties has
> infringed on that patent. I believe the responsible thing to do is hold
> fire until the courts have reviewed the matter and ruled. However, if th
e
> patent is deemed legal and proper and if RunwayFinder, AOPA, SkyVector,
> FlyaGoGo, et al have used it without the right to do so, then shame on
> them. And shame on those who rushed to judgment and took action (boycott
or
> otherwise) against the true owner of the property. Isn=92t the strength
of a
> constitutional republic supposed to be its dedication to the rule of law
and
> not the emotional appeals of the mob? Beware to all of us, for the next
> time the mob wants to take someone=92s private property it may be one of
> ours.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Starkey
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:22 PM
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
>
>
> I'm afraid that putting adjectives in all caps doesn't necessarily make
> them true. The FlightPrep patent was filed in 2001, which, in software
> terms, is centuries back.
>
> The basis of the patent is using a client browser in conjunction with a
> server to develop a graphical flight plan. The systems cited as
> pre-existing art required all charts, etc., be resident on the client
> computer.
>
> A problem with the patent system is that even if neither A nor B is
> patentable, A + B is. Another problem is that although something obvious
to
> practitioners of an art, the courts and the patent office recognize that
> almost everything is obvious after the fact.
>
> FlightPrep is indeed being pretty heavy handed and more that tad greedy.
> But they're also taking on some very big guns with very large legal budge
ts
> like Jeppesen and AOPA. Unless FlightPrep has backers with very deep
> pockets, they'll probably run out of money before Jeppesen and AOPA run o
ut
> of appeals.
>
> Software is automatically copyrighted and may or may not be patented.
> There was a time that he USPTO considered software to algorithms, which a
re
> not patentable. The Supreme Court found otherwise.
>
> That said, I think a boycott of FlightPrep is not unreasonable. In their
> case, A + B was blatantly obvious, they added nothing to the state of the
> art, are suppressing useful services, and deserve to be put out of busine
ss
> by Foreflight on the iPad.
>
>
> On 12/23/2010 1:16 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>
> Guys:
>
>
> I'm going to take a WAG here.
>
>
> If the same software has been available as a FREE DOMAIN and there is PRO
OF
> of prior existence. Than the organization that has to be chastised is no
t
> FlightPrep. Sure they are trying to pull a quick one. But, it is the
> patten office that did not do their homework.
>
> More information is needed, I recall some basic guidelines that SOFTWARE
is
> a copy-write and not a patten. Yet, if there was a doggle or toggle used
to
> activate or protect the software THAT could be patented. Any lawyers out
> there? How about a class action suit?
>
>
> Barry
>
> ========================
==
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, b v <bvnj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line flight
> planning and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they patented existing
> technology by using some creative wording. Now they are going after all
> on-line flight planning companies including FltPlan (
> http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware (
> http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-P
atent/147)
> and AOPA(
> http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Planne
r_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html)
> and trying to shake them down.
> They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite chart
> mapping site), www.nacomatic.com and www.flyagogo.net. They managed to
> intimidate SkyVector into submission.
>
> Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's assault and
a
> threat to all on-line flight planning sites, particularly the free ones:
>
>
> http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPre
pFlightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
>
> Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
>
> Thank you,
> -Boris
>
> P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude thinks tha
t
> shutting down flight plannig web sites has no relevance to Grumman pilots
.
> Now I understand Gary's feelings.
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Tom,
I'm not trying to assume the role of apologist or defender for FlightPrep,
nor as antagonist to FlightPrep's detractors. However, as a proud member of
the aviation community for many years, I have enjoyed the fact-based
perspective this community usually displays. It must have something to do
with working with gravity. So I am surprised to see your fervor backed up
only by a =22may=22 and an =22if:=22 =22FlightPrep may have overextended
their =5Bsic=5D
claim. . .,=22 and =22If they overextended their =5Bsic=5D claim. . .=22
Equally
surprising is your acknowledgment that the courts need to sort this out,
meaning, it seems, that you understand that we don't currently know the
whole truth and, in the end, the court's finding may be in favor of
FlightPrep. But until all the facts are weighed and the scales of justice
are balanced, you are determined to light the torches and incite the
villagers to help you assassinate the suspect. Sounds kind of like a
kangaroo court - you know, =22give the suspect a fair trial then hang the
guilty bastard=21=22 Of course you can do what you want with your money,
your
time, and your speech, but I would encourage you to spend a little time in
your introspective place and see if you might prefer an approach that lets
the contestants run the race before declaring a winner. Oh, and on that
free speech thing, it's not free if it is used to promote an injustice and
ends up costing you your honor. Just sayin.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server=40matronics.com
=5Bmailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server=40matronics.com=5D On Behalf Of
Tom Quinn
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
The problem is that Flightprep may have over extended their claim that other
companies have infringed upon their patent and have used their attorneys to
scare small guys, without money, to close down. The bigger corporations that
have deeper pockets basically told Flightprep to stick it where the sun
doesn't shine. If they have overextended their claim on their patent then it
is them who is stealing from others. Until the courts sort this out I am
exercising my first amendment right of speaking out against Flightprep for
using these heavy handed tactics against people who can't defend themselves
and am encouraging my friends to join me in boycotting them as well. Looks
like RunwayFinder has changed his mind in mounting a defense against
Flightprep http://blog.runwayfinder.com/. I will, and I encourage everyone
else, to use what money they would have bought Flightprep products with, to
donate to Dave Parson's legal defense fund once it is up and running.
Tom Quinn
249RR
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server=40matronics.com
=5Bmailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server=40matronics.com=5D On Behalf Of
Don Curry
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
If FlightPrep was issued a proper US Patent for its product, then why is it
wrong for it to protect its patent? Have we so lost sight of the value of
private property in this country that we are willing to call FlightPrep
greedy for wanting to protect its own possession? Have we decided that it
deserves to be boycotted and put out of business for following the law?
That seems harsh and bitter to me. Personally, I don't know if FlightPrep
has a legal and proper patent or if any of the other named parties has
infringed on that patent. I believe the responsible thing to do is hold
fire until the courts have reviewed the matter and ruled. However, if the
patent is deemed legal and proper and if RunwayFinder, AOPA, SkyVector,
FlyaGoGo, et al have used it without the right to do so, then shame on them.
And shame on those who rushed to judgment and took action (boycott or
otherwise) against the true owner of the property. Isn't the strength of a
constitutional republic supposed to be its dedication to the rule of law and
not the emotional appeals of the mob? Beware to all of us, for the next
time the mob wants to take someone's private property it may be one of ours.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server=40matronics.com
=5Bmailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server=40matronics.com=5D On Behalf Of Jim
Starkey
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
I'm afraid that putting adjectives in all caps doesn't necessarily make them
true. The FlightPrep patent was filed in 2001, which, in software terms, is
centuries back.
The basis of the patent is using a client browser in conjunction with a
server to develop a graphical flight plan. The systems cited as
pre-existing art required all charts, etc., be resident on the client
computer.
A problem with the patent system is that even if neither A nor B is
patentable, A + B is. Another problem is that although something obvious to
practitioners of an art, the courts and the patent office recognize that
almost everything is obvious after the fact.
FlightPrep is indeed being pretty heavy handed and more that tad greedy.
But they're also taking on some very big guns with very large legal budgets
like Jeppesen and AOPA. Unless FlightPrep has backers with very deep
pockets, they'll probably run out of money before Jeppesen and AOPA run out
of appeals.
Software is automatically copyrighted and may or may not be patented. There
was a time that he USPTO considered software to algorithms, which are not
patentable. The Supreme Court found otherwise.
That said, I think a boycott of FlightPrep is not unreasonable. In their
case, A + B was blatantly obvious, they added nothing to the state of the
art, are suppressing useful services, and deserve to be put out of business
by Foreflight on the iPad.
On 12/23/2010 1:16 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
Guys:
I'm going to take a WAG here.
If the same software has been available as a FREE DOMAIN and there is PROOF
of prior existence. Than the organization that has to be chastised is not
FlightPrep. Sure they are trying to pull a quick one. But, it is the
patten office that did not do their homework.
More information is needed, I recall some basic guidelines that SOFTWARE is
a copy-write and not a patten. Yet, if there was a doggle or toggle used to
activate or protect the software THAT could be patented. Any lawyers out
there? How about a class action suit?
Barry
=
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, b v <bvnj=40yahoo.com> wrote:
FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line flight
planning and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they patented existing
technology by using some creative wording. Now they are going after all
on-line flight planning companies including FltPlan
(http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware
(http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-Pat
ent/147) and
AOPA(http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Plan
ner_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html) and trying to shake them down.
They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite chart mapping
site), www.nacomatic.com and www.flyagogo.net. They managed to intimidate
SkyVector into submission.
Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's assault and a
threat to all on-line flight planning sites, particularly the free ones:
http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPrepFl
ightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
Thank you,
-Boris
P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude thinks that
shutting down flight plannig web sites has no relevance to Grumman pilots.
Now I understand Gary's feelings.
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Bullshit. They need to be boycotted.
FlightPrep is a patent troll, taking advantage of the incompetence of the
Patent Office to get a patent for the long-existing and widely used
practice of web-based flight planning. The failures of the patent office
are becoming legendary, if you have been following technology news.
Patenting jestures and the act of performing an internet search? Morons!
And as trolls, FlightPrep is incurring appropriate wrath for shaking down
their competitors.
Let them know you will not tolerate their unethical performance. Boycott
them.
I only wish there was a way to clean house at the patent office and get
competent people there who will throw out these frivilous applications from
Apple, Google, and FlightTroll.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Don Curry <don.curry@inbox.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> I=92m not trying to assume the role of apologist or defender for FlightPr
ep,
> nor as antagonist to FlightPrep=92s detractors. However, as a proud memb
er of
> the aviation community for many years, I have enjoyed the fact-based
> perspective this community usually displays. It must have something to d
o
> with working with gravity. So I am surprised to see your fervor backed u
p
> only by a =93may=94 and an =93if:=94 =93FlightPrep *may* have overextende
d their
> [sic] claim. . .,=94 and =93*If* they overextended their [sic] claim. . .
=94
> Equally surprising is your acknowledgment that the courts need to sort th
is
> out, meaning, it seems, that you understand that we don=92t currently kno
w the
> whole truth and, in the end, the court=92s finding may be in favor of
> FlightPrep. But until all the facts are weighed and the scales of justic
e
> are balanced, you are determined to light the torches and incite the
> villagers to help you assassinate the suspect. Sounds kind of like a
> kangaroo court ' you know, =93give the suspect a fair trial then hang t
he
> guilty bastard!=94 Of course you can do what you want with your money, y
our
> time, and your speech, but I would encourage you to spend a little time i
n
> your introspective place and see if you might prefer an approach that let
s
> the contestants run the race before declaring a winner. Oh, and on that
> free speech thing, it=92s not free if it is used to promote an injustice
and
> ends up costing you your honor. Just sayin.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Quinn
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:20 PM
>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
>
>
> The problem is that Flightprep may have over extended their claim that
> other companies have infringed upon their patent and have used their
> attorneys to scare small guys, without money, to close down. The bigger
> corporations that have deeper pockets basically told Flightprep to stick
it
> where the sun doesn=92t shine. If they have overextended their claim on t
heir
> patent then it is them who is stealing from others. Until the courts sort
> this out I am exercising my first amendment right of speaking out against
> Flightprep for using these heavy handed tactics against people who can=92
t
> defend themselves and am encouraging my friends to join me in boycotting
> them as well. Looks like RunwayFinder has changed his mind in mounting a
> defense against Flightprep http://blog.runwayfinder.com/. I will, and I
> encourage everyone else, to use what money they would have bought Flightp
rep
> products with, to donate to Dave Parson=92s legal defense fund once it is
up
> and running.
>
>
> Tom Quinn
>
> 249RR
>
>
> *From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don Curry
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 3:29 PM
>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
>
>
> If FlightPrep was issued a proper US Patent for its product, then why is
it
> wrong for it to protect its patent? Have we so lost sight of the value o
f
> private property in this country that we are willing to call FlightPrep
> greedy for wanting to protect its own possession? Have we decided that i
t
> deserves to be boycotted and put out of business for following the law?
> That seems harsh and bitter to me. Personally, I don=92t know if FlightP
rep
> has a legal and proper patent or if any of the other named parties has
> infringed on that patent. I believe the responsible thing to do is hold
> fire until the courts have reviewed the matter and ruled. However, if th
e
> patent is deemed legal and proper and if RunwayFinder, AOPA, SkyVector,
> FlyaGoGo, et al have used it without the right to do so, then shame on
> them. And shame on those who rushed to judgment and took action (boycott
or
> otherwise) against the true owner of the property. Isn=92t the strength
of a
> constitutional republic supposed to be its dedication to the rule of law
and
> not the emotional appeals of the mob? Beware to all of us, for the next
> time the mob wants to take someone=92s private property it may be one of
> ours.
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Starkey
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:22 PM
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
>
>
> I'm afraid that putting adjectives in all caps doesn't necessarily make
> them true. The FlightPrep patent was filed in 2001, which, in software
> terms, is centuries back.
>
> The basis of the patent is using a client browser in conjunction with a
> server to develop a graphical flight plan. The systems cited as
> pre-existing art required all charts, etc., be resident on the client
> computer.
>
> A problem with the patent system is that even if neither A nor B is
> patentable, A + B is. Another problem is that although something obvious
to
> practitioners of an art, the courts and the patent office recognize that
> almost everything is obvious after the fact.
>
> FlightPrep is indeed being pretty heavy handed and more that tad greedy.
> But they're also taking on some very big guns with very large legal budge
ts
> like Jeppesen and AOPA. Unless FlightPrep has backers with very deep
> pockets, they'll probably run out of money before Jeppesen and AOPA run o
ut
> of appeals.
>
> Software is automatically copyrighted and may or may not be patented.
> There was a time that he USPTO considered software to algorithms, which a
re
> not patentable. The Supreme Court found otherwise.
>
> That said, I think a boycott of FlightPrep is not unreasonable. In their
> case, A + B was blatantly obvious, they added nothing to the state of the
> art, are suppressing useful services, and deserve to be put out of busine
ss
> by Foreflight on the iPad.
>
>
> On 12/23/2010 1:16 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>
> Guys:
>
>
> I'm going to take a WAG here.
>
>
> If the same software has been available as a FREE DOMAIN and there is PRO
OF
> of prior existence. Than the organization that has to be chastised is no
t
> FlightPrep. Sure they are trying to pull a quick one. But, it is the
> patten office that did not do their homework.
>
> More information is needed, I recall some basic guidelines that SOFTWARE
is
> a copy-write and not a patten. Yet, if there was a doggle or toggle used
to
> activate or protect the software THAT could be patented. Any lawyers out
> there? How about a class action suit?
>
>
> Barry
>
> ========================
==
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:44 AM, b v <bvnj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line flight
> planning and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they patented existing
> technology by using some creative wording. Now they are going after all
> on-line flight planning companies including FltPlan (
> http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware (
> http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-P
atent/147)
> and AOPA(
> http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Planne
r_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html)
> and trying to shake them down.
> They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite chart
> mapping site), www.nacomatic.com and www.flyagogo.net. They managed to
> intimidate SkyVector into submission.
>
> Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's assault and
a
> threat to all on-line flight planning sites, particularly the free ones:
>
>
> http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPre
pFlightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
>
> Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
>
> Thank you,
> -Boris
>
> P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude thinks tha
t
> shutting down flight plannig web sites has no relevance to Grumman pilots
.
> Now I understand Gary's feelings.
>
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Makes one wonder what the hell difference it makes.
________________________________
From: b v <bvnj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:44:16 AM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: FlightPrep patent
FlightPrep has managed to pull a patent trough regarding on-line flight planning
and aviation maps. As far as I can tell, they patented existing technology by
using some creative wording. Now they are going after all on-line flight
planning companies including FltPlan
(http://www.fltplan.com/fltplanpressrelease.htm), FlightAware
(http://flightaware.com/news/article/FlightAware-Statement-on-FlightPrep-Patent/147)
and
AOPA(http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2010/101214AOPA_Flight_Planner_does_not_infringe_on_patent.html)
and trying to shake them down.
They have already caused shut-down of RunwayFinder(my favorite chart mapping
site), www.nacomatic.com and www.flyagogo.net. They managed to intimidate
SkyVector into submission.
Here is a podcast that shows the gravity of the FlightPrep's assault and a
threat to all on-line flight planning sites, particularly the free ones:
http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_LionelLavenue_FlightPrepFlightPlanning_PatentLaw_203826-1.html
Please spread the news and boycott the FlightPrep.
Thank you,
-Boris
P.S. I have also sent this to GG list, but aparently that dude thinks that
shutting down flight plannig web sites has no relevance to Grumman pilots. Now
I
understand Gary's feelings.
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