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Tue 12/28/10


Total Messages Posted: 8



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     1. 05:58 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (flyv35b)
     2. 05:59 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (quinn_tom@tqiinc.com)
     3. 06:19 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (ArjayS@AOL.COM)
     4. 06:35 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (flyv35b)
     5. 09:56 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (allenc3@bellsouth.net)
     6. 10:06 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (Linn Walters)
     7. 10:48 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (Rick Pollack)
     8. 06:36 PM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (allenc3@bellsouth.net)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:58:55 AM PST US
    From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah
          
      Most people probably follow the POH and take off without flaps.  But you 
      can get off the ground at a lower speed and in a shorter distance with 
      partial flaps.  You just may not be able to climb quite as fast (ROC) 
      with the flaps even though the angle of climb MIGHT be steeper.  I 
      always (almost anyway) land with full flaps at minimum touchdown speed 
      and typically hold the nosewheel off for some time after that.  Just 
      don't land at high speed on the nosewheel and start the POI that results 
      in a prop strike many times.
      
      Cliff
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: David Boone 
        To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:06 PM
        Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Coming Home to a Cheetah
      
      
        I just purchased a 79 Cheetah with the 160 HP engine - I had a 77 
      Cheetah 23 years ago with 150 HP engine. It was a great airplane, but I 
      cannot remember how I used to fly it. Landing with or without flaps, 
      Take off with or without flaps. I'm based @ CPK - Chesapeake Va. - near 
      sea Level. I appreciate any input. I hope no question is too stupid to 
      ask. Thanks David O Boone
      
      


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    Time: 05:59:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah
    From: quinn_tom@tqiinc.com
          
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    Time: 06:19:54 AM PST US
    From: ArjayS@AOL.COM
    Subject: Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah
          
      Ditto
      But Roy taught me to bleed off the flaps on T/O while in groud effect. It'
      s 
      a habit I use to this day. Anyone else?
      Rj Siegel    CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
      
      
      > Most people probably follow the POH and take off without flaps.- But
       you 
      > can get off the ground at a lower speed and in a shorter distance with
      
      > partial flaps.- You just may not be able to climb quite as fast (ROC)
       with the 
      > flaps even though the angle of climb MIGHT be steeper.- I always (almo
      st 
      > anyway) land with full flaps at minimum touchdown speed and typically ho
      ld 
      > the nosewheel off for some time after that.- Just don't land at high
       speed on 
      > the nosewheel and start the POI that results in a prop strike many times
      .
      >  -
      >  Cliff
      > 
      > 
      


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    Time: 06:35:20 AM PST US
    From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah
          
      That works, but I think I'd leave the flaps down if there was an 
      obstacle not far ahead and then "milk" the flaps up after clearing the 
      obstacle.  The 4 place planes have enough extra power for the plane to 
      climb well with partial flaps, like was mentioned about matching the 
      flap to the maximum aileron down deflection.  There is not much extra 
      drag at that point.
      
      Cliff
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: ArjayS@AOL.COM 
        To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 6:15 AM
        Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Coming Home to a Cheetah
      
      
        Ditto
        But Roy taught me to bleed off the flaps on T/O while in groud effect. 
      It's a habit I use to this day. Anyone else?
        Rj Siegel   CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
      
      
          Most people probably follow the POH and take off without flaps.  But 
      you can get off the ground at a lower speed and in a shorter distance 
      with partial flaps.  You just may not be able to climb quite as fast 
      (ROC) with the flaps even though the angle of climb MIGHT be steeper.  I 
      always (almost anyway) land with full flaps at minimum touchdown speed 
      and typically hold the nosewheel off for some time after that.  Just 
      don't land at high speed on the nosewheel and start the POI that results 
      in a prop strike many times.
           
          Cliff
      
      


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    Time: 09:56:17 AM PST US
    From: "allenc3@bellsouth.net" <allenc3@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah
          
      Always hate to get the flap thing going again, but what I usually tell the P
      OH (no flap) people is come on over to my 2600 ft Florida grass strip on say
      , July 4th when the temp and humidity is pushing 95 and the grass is growing
       like 1 inch a day and take off with no flaps.
      
      Claude Allen
      Sent from my iPad
      
      On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:15 AM, ArjayS@AOL.COM wrote:
      
      > Ditto
      > But Roy taught me to bleed off the flaps on T/O while in groud effect. It'
      s a habit I use to this day. Anyone else?
      > Rj Siegel   CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
      > 
      > 
      >> Most people probably follow the POH and take off without flaps.  But you c
      an get off the ground at a lower speed and in a shorter distance with partia
      l flaps.  You just may not be able to climb quite as fast (ROC) with the fla
      ps even though the angle of climb MIGHT be steeper.  I always (almost anyway
      ) land with full flaps at minimum touchdown speed and typically hold the nos
      ewheel off for some time after that.  Just don't land at high speed on the n
      osewheel and start the POI that results in a prop strike many times.
      >>  
      >> Cliff
      >> 
      > 
      > 
      >  
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    Time: 10:06:31 AM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah
          
      Did you just invite the SE region to a flap-flap party on the 4th??? :-)
      Linn
      
      On 12/28/2010 12:52 PM, allenc3@bellsouth.net wrote:
      > Always hate to get the flap thing going again, but what I usually tell 
      > the POH (no flap) people is come on over to my 2600 ft Florida grass 
      > strip on say, July 4th when the temp and humidity is pushing 95 and 
      > the grass is growing like 1 inch a day and take off with no flaps.
      >
      > Claude Allen
      > Sent from my iPad
      >
      > On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:15 AM, ArjayS@AOL.COM <mailto:ArjayS@AOL.COM> wrote:
      >
      >> Ditto
      >> But Roy taught me to bleed off the flaps on T/O while in groud 
      >> effect. It's a habit I use to this day. Anyone else?
      >> Rj Siegel   CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
      >>
      >>
      >>> *Most people probably follow the POH and take off without flaps.  
      >>> But you can get off the ground at a lower speed and in a shorter 
      >>> distance with partial flaps.  You just may not be able to climb 
      >>> quite as fast (ROC) with the flaps even though the angle of climb 
      >>> MIGHT be steeper.  I always (almost anyway) land with full flaps at 
      >>> minimum touchdown speed and typically hold the nosewheel off for 
      >>> some time after that.  Just don't land at high speed on the 
      >>> nosewheel and start the POI that results in a prop strike many times.*
      >>>
      >>> *Cliff*
      >>>
      >>
      >>
      >> *
      >>
      >> *
      > *
      >
      > *
      
      


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    Time: 10:48:19 AM PST US
    From: Rick Pollack <rdp123@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah
          
      Claude, just curious about how much flap do you use?
      
      Rick    Tiger 4542N   SMO
      
      
      On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:52 AM, allenc3@bellsouth.net wrote:
      
      > Always hate to get the flap thing going again, but what I usually tell 
      the POH (no flap) people is come on over to my 2600 ft Florida grass 
      strip on say, July 4th when the temp and humidity is pushing 95 and the 
      grass is growing like 1 inch a day and take off with no flaps.
      > 
      > Claude Allen
      > Sent from my iPad
      > 
      > On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:15 AM, ArjayS@AOL.COM wrote:
      > 
      >> Ditto
      >> But Roy taught me to bleed off the flaps on T/O while in groud 
      effect. It's a habit I use to this day. Anyone else?
      >> Rj Siegel   CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
      >> 
      >> 
      >>> Most people probably follow the POH and take off without flaps.  But 
      you can get off the ground at a lower speed and in a shorter distance 
      with partial flaps.  You just may not be able to climb quite as fast 
      (ROC) with the flaps even though the angle of climb MIGHT be steeper.  I 
      always (almost anyway) land with full flaps at minimum touchdown speed 
      and typically hold the nosewheel off for some time after that.  Just 
      don't land at high speed on the nosewheel and start the POI that results 
      in a prop strike many times.
      >>>  
      >>> Cliff
      >>> 
      >> 
      >> 
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    Time: 06:36:17 PM PST US
    From: "allenc3@bellsouth.net" <allenc3@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah
          
      About 1/3 or even with full Aileron deflection. As soon as I get positive cl
      imb, I bleed them off. 
      
      Claude Allen
      Sent from my iPad
      
      On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Rick Pollack <rdp123@verizon.net> wrote:
      
      > Claude, just curious about how much flap do you use?
      > 
      > Rick    Tiger 4542N   SMO
      > 
      > 
      > On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:52 AM, allenc3@bellsouth.net wrote:
      > 
      >> Always hate to get the flap thing going again, but what I usually tell th
      e POH (no flap) people is come on over to my 2600 ft Florida grass strip on s
      ay, July 4th when the temp and humidity is pushing 95 and the grass is growi
      ng like 1 inch a day and take off with no flaps.
      >> 
      >> Claude Allen
      >> Sent from my iPad
      >> 
      >> On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:15 AM, ArjayS@AOL.COM wrote:
      >> 
      >>> Ditto
      >>> But Roy taught me to bleed off the flaps on T/O while in groud effect. I
      t's a habit I use to this day. Anyone else?
      >>> Rj Siegel   CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>>> Most people probably follow the POH and take off without flaps.  But yo
      u can get off the ground at a lower speed and in a shorter distance with par
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      osewheel off for some time after that.  Just don't land at high speed on the
       nosewheel and start the POI that results in a prop strike many times.
      >>>>  
      >>>> Cliff
      >>>> 
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