---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/29/10: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:14 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (Hosler, John) 2. 10:08 AM - Re: Coming Home to a Cheetah (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:51 AM PST US Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Coming Home to a Cheetah From: "Hosler, John" If flaps are used for take-off I would not recommend bleeding them off until well after all obstacles are cleared. You could find yourself descending back onto the runway or into the power lines you are trying to clear. John ________________________________ From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ArjayS@AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Coming Home to a Cheetah Ditto But Roy taught me to bleed off the flaps on T/O while in groud effect. It's a habit I use to this day. Anyone else? Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering Most people probably follow the POH and take off without flaps. But you can get off the ground at a lower speed and in a shorter distance with partial flaps. You just may not be able to climb quite as fast (ROC) with the flaps even though the angle of climb MIGHT be steeper. I always (almost anyway) land with full flaps at minimum touchdown speed and typically hold the nosewheel off for some time after that. Just don't land at high speed on the nosewheel and start the POI that results in a prop strike many times. Cliff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:09 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Coming Home to a Cheetah Hi David,=0A=0AYears ago I made the conscience decision to always land with full flaps. On =0Aoccasion, I'll practice no flap landings just in case t he flaps don't come down. =0A I flew out of Lancaster, CA where the wind di rection varied but the wind speed =0Awas rarely calm. Landing with full fl aps in a 50 knot wind 20 degrees off the =0Anose became a no-brainer. =0A =0AAs for take-off, I always take off with an inch or two of flaps. The ma ximum =0Adeflection is equal to the aileron down deflection. The only thin g you need to =0Aremember is retracting the flaps once underway.=0A=0AGary =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: David Boone =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, December 27, 201 0 12:06:53 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Coming Home to a Cheetah=0A=0A =0AI just purchased a 79 Cheetah with the 160 HP engine =93 I had a 7 7 Cheetah 23 =0Ayears ago with 150 HP engine. It was a great airplane, but I cannot remember how =0AI used to fly it. Landing with or without flaps, T ake off with or without flaps. =0AI=99m based @ CPK =93 Chesape ake Va. =93 near sea Level. I appreciate any input. I =0Ahope no ques ======================== =0A=0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.