---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/10/11: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:25 PM - Wow, what a difference! (Tom Quinn) 2. 07:22 PM - Re: Fair Asking Price for 1977 Tiger (Anthony Dymond) 3. 07:50 PM - Re: Fair Asking Price for 1977 Tiger (Ronald Millman CPA) 4. 10:09 PM - Re: Wow, what a difference! (Gary L Vogt) 5. 10:27 PM - Re: Fair Asking Price for 1977 Tiger (Gary L Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:10 PM PST US From: "Tom Quinn" Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Wow, what a difference! Just got my plane back from annual with a Sensenich prop replacing the stock McCauley prop on my 1977 Tiger, now the airplane climbs like a bat out of hell (over 1500 fpm on -300 alt press day) and I saw 132 knots GS at 2,000 (2,650 rpm) feet on a calm day. Can't wait to get it to altitude. Wish I had done this much earlier. Tom Quinn 249RR ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fair Asking Price for 1977 Tiger From: Anthony Dymond I did a multiple regression on Grumman Tigers with data from the September 2010 Trade-a-Plane and Global Plane Search. (OK, so I'm thinking of gettin g one...). Anyway, I plugged in these numbers to the regression model and go t a price of 57k$. Granted that this is what people were asking but we don't know what they were getting. Tony On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:32 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Hi Linn: > > ME TOO! > > Love to get high ;-) > > Yes, working with "Friends" are difficult. FRUSTRATING! ! ! > > But that is what friends are all about. > > Aviation is all about LEARNING - There are NO STUPID questions. > Only lazy people wanting a simple answer... AND... That is STUPID! > > And the question that comes up all too often is: What was the FAA > thinking? > > Barry > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Linn Walters w rote: > >> On 1/8/2011 5:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: >> >> Linn: >> >> Don't tell me that you use drugs... I like you too much even consider >> that. >> >> Nah, I fly to get high! >> >> >> Now, if the buyer and seller are face to face why would they need a >> broker? >> >> Well, that only happened a couple of times, and you're right, they could >> have cut me out of the loop .... but for the most part, I knew either th e >> buyer or seller personally. Doing business with friends was terribly >> frustrating, and one of the other reasons I quit. Having both available >> face-to-face to negotiate saved months of emails and stupid questions. >> Linn >> >> >> >> Barry >> >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Linn Walters wrote: >> >>> When I was in the broker business, putting both buyer and seller on the >>> ramp looking at the same airplane ..... the seller sees a bar of gold >>> sitting there and the buyer ..... sees a lead bar. You should hear the >>> bickering back and forth!!!! Listening to the conversation was hilario us as >>> each person added and subtracted 'value' to substantiate their viewpoin t. >>> I was spending far too much time for the gains so I just gave it up. >>> Linn >>> >>> >>> On 1/7/2011 4:53 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: >>> >>> ALL BROKERS are on DRUGS ... >>> And those that use them pay for their drugs. >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Quinn wrote : >>> >>>> I'm thinking about selling my 1977 Tiger and am wondering what the >>>> market will bear these days. The Aircraft history and equipment list i s as >>>> follows: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> =B7 Approx Airframe TT 2500 hours , 550 SMOH >>>> >>>> =B7 NDH >>>> >>>> =B7 Garmin 430 (Non WAAS) >>>> >>>> =B7 King KX 170B NAVCOM >>>> >>>> =B7 Garmin GTX-327 Transponder >>>> >>>> =B7 Garmin GMA 340 Audio Panel >>>> >>>> =B7 S-TEC 30 w/alt hold (1 year old) >>>> >>>> =B7 GPSS (1 year old) >>>> >>>> =B7 JPI-450 Fuel Flow Indicator (1 year old) >>>> >>>> =B7 New LoPresti Boom Beam landing light System >>>> >>>> =B7 DME >>>> >>>> =B7 New Sensenich Prop >>>> >>>> =B7 Interior Original 5 condition >>>> >>>> =B7 Exterior Original 5 condition >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I had a broker look at it and he told me that he thought the fair mark et >>>> value was high 30=92s low 40=92s! I think one of us is on drugs, I hop e it=92s not >>>> me! Thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Quinn >>>> >>>> 249RR >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-L ist >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> * >>> >>> om/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamG rumman-Lists.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Li st >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> om/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGr umman-Lists.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> >> * >> >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-Lis t >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:38 PM PST US From: "Ronald Millman CPA" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fair Asking Price for 1977 Tiger ?Ok, but what is an offer on an original, never damaged, 1977 Tiger, with original paint, original upholstery, and a Zero time warranted engine with 7 hours on it? Ron Millman, CPA, Glendale, CA 818-241-3286. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Dymond To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:16 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fair Asking Price for 1977 Tiger I did a multiple regression on Grumman Tigers with data from the September 2010 Trade-a-Plane and Global Plane Search. (OK, so I'm thinking of getting one...). Anyway, I plugged in these numbers to the regression model and got a price of 57k$. Granted that this is what people were asking but we don't know what they were getting. Tony On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:32 AM, FLYaDIVE > wrote: Hi Linn: ME TOO! Love to get high ;-) Yes, working with "Friends" are difficult. FRUSTRATING! ! ! But that is what friends are all about. Aviation is all about LEARNING - There are NO STUPID questions. Only lazy people wanting a simple answer... AND... That is STUPID! And the question that comes up all too often is: What was the FAA thinking? Barry On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: On 1/8/2011 5:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: Linn: Don't tell me that you use drugs... I like you too much even consider that. Nah, I fly to get high! Now, if the buyer and seller are face to face why would they need a broker? Well, that only happened a couple of times, and you're right, they could have cut me out of the loop .... but for the most part, I knew either the buyer or seller personally. Doing business with friends was terribly frustrating, and one of the other reasons I quit. Having both available face-to-face to negotiate saved months of emails and stupid questions. Linn Barry On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Linn Walters > wrote: When I was in the broker business, putting both buyer and seller on the ramp looking at the same airplane ..... the seller sees a bar of gold sitting there and the buyer ..... sees a lead bar. You should hear the bickering back and forth!!!! Listening to the conversation was hilarious as each person added and subtracted 'value' to substantiate their viewpoint. I was spending far too much time for the gains so I just gave it up. Linn On 1/7/2011 4:53 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: ALL BROKERS are on DRUGS ... And those that use them pay for their drugs. Barry On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Quinn > wrote: I'm thinking about selling my 1977 Tiger and am wondering what the market will bear these days. The Aircraft history and equipment list is as follows: =B7 Approx Airframe TT 2500 hours , 550 SMOH =B7 NDH =B7 Garmin 430 (Non WAAS) =B7 King KX 170B NAVCOM =B7 Garmin GTX-327 Transponder =B7 Garmin GMA 340 Audio Panel =B7 S-TEC 30 w/alt hold (1 year old) =B7 GPSS (1 year old) =B7 JPI-450 Fuel Flow Indicator (1 year old) =B7 New LoPresti Boom Beam landing light System =B7 DME =B7 New Sensenich Prop =B7 Interior Original 5 condition =B7 Exterior Original 5 condition I had a broker look at it and he told me that he thought the fair market value was high 30=92s low 40=92s! I think one of us is on drugs, I hope it=92s not me! Thoughts? Tom Quinn 249RR st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution om/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGru mman-List s.com">http://forums.matronics.com om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution om/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGru mman-List s.com">http://forums.matronics.com om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ttp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:53 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Wow, what a difference! What pitch did you get? Sent from my iPad On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:17 PM, "Tom Quinn" wrote: > > Just got my plane back from annual with a Sensenich prop replacing the stock > McCauley prop on my 1977 Tiger, now the airplane climbs like a bat out of > hell (over 1500 fpm on -300 alt press day) and I saw 132 knots GS at 2,000 > (2,650 rpm) feet on a calm day. Can't wait to get it to altitude. Wish I had > done this much earlier. > > Tom Quinn 249RR > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:08 PM PST US From: Gary L Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fair Asking Price for 1977 Tiger Depends a lot on who did the overhaul. If your next door neighbor did the OH , $20,000 less than if Lycon did it. I'm doing an annual on a plane with <250 hrs SMOH. One cylinder has already b een replaced. Remaining cylinders are the original are the original soft O3 20 cylinders with over 2500 hrs on them. Both mags are 4200 series mags. Vac uum pump was last replaced in 1999. Alternator is all corroded. Sky-tec star ter went in in 2003. Baffles are AFU. This is the first annual since the ow ner bought it. He paid good money for a plane with an OHd engine. It's worth core value. If I had done the pre-buy, I'd have recommended paying $20,000 less for the p lane. Sent from my iPad On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:44 PM, "Ronald Millman CPA" wr ote: > Ok, but what is an offer on an original, never damaged, 1977 Tiger, with o riginal paint. > original upholstery, and a Zero time warranted engine with 7 hours on it? > Ron Millman, CPA, Glendale, CA 818-241-3286. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anthony Dymond > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Fair Asking Price for 1977 Tiger > > I did a multiple regression on Grumman Tigers with data from the September 2010 Trade-a-Plane and Global Plane Search. (OK, so I'm thinking of gettin g one...). Anyway, I plugged in these numbers to the regression model and g ot a price of 57k$. Granted that this is what people were asking but we don 't know what they were getting. > > Tony > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:32 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Hi Linn: > > ME TOO! > > Love to get high ;-) > > Yes, working with "Friends" are difficult. FRUSTRATING! ! ! > > But that is what friends are all about. > > Aviation is all about LEARNING - There are NO STUPID questions. > Only lazy people wanting a simple answer... AND... That is STUPID! > > And the question that comes up all too often is: What was the FAA thinkin g? > > Barry > > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Linn Walters w rote: > On 1/8/2011 5:13 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: >> >> Linn: >> >> Don't tell me that you use drugs... I like you too much even consider tha t. > Nah, I fly to get high! > >> >> Now, if the buyer and seller are face to face why would they need a broke r? > Well, that only happened a couple of times, and you're right, they could h ave cut me out of the loop .... but for the most part, I knew either the buy er or seller personally. Doing business with friends was terribly frustrati ng, and one of the other reasons I quit. Having both available face-to-face to negotiate saved months of emails and stupid questions. > Linn > > >> >> Barry >> >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Linn Walters w rote: >> When I was in the broker business, putting both buyer and seller on the r amp looking at the same airplane ..... the seller sees a bar of gold sitting there and the buyer ..... sees a lead bar. You should hear the bickering b ack and forth!!!! Listening to the conversation was hilarious as each perso n added and subtracted 'value' to substantiate their viewpoint. >> I was spending far too much time for the gains so I just gave it up. >> Linn >> >> >> On 1/7/2011 4:53 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: >>> ALL BROKERS are on DRUGS ... >>> And those that use them pay for their drugs. >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Tom Quinn wrote: >>> I'm thinking about selling my 1977 Tiger and am wondering what the marke t will bear these days. The Aircraft history and equipment list is as follow s: >>> >>> >>> >>> =C2=B7 Approx Airframe TT 2500 hours , 550 SMOH >>> >>> =C2=B7 NDH >>> >>> =C2=B7 Garmin 430 (Non WAAS) >>> >>> =C2=B7 King KX 170B NAVCOM >>> >>> =C2=B7 Garmin GTX-327 Transponder >>> >>> =C2=B7 Garmin GMA 340 Audio Panel >>> >>> =C2=B7 S-TEC 30 w/alt hold (1 year old) >>> >>> =C2=B7 GPSS (1 year old) >>> >>> =C2=B7 JPI-450 Fuel Flow Indicator (1 year old) >>> >>> =C2=B7 New LoPresti Boom Beam landing light System >>> >>> =C2=B7 DME >>> >>> =C2=B7 New Sensenich Prop >>> >>> =C2=B7 Interior Original 5 condition >>> >>> =C2=B7 Exterior Original 5 condition >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I had a broker look at it and he told me that he thought the fair market value was high 30=99s low 40=99s! I think one of us is on drugs , I hope it=99s not me! 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