---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/16/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:41 AM - Re: Millennium cylinders (Andy) 2. 05:57 AM - Re: fuel pump question (flyv35b) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Millennium cylinders (flyv35b) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: fuel pump question (Garner Rice) 5. 06:59 AM - Re: Millennium cylinders (FLYaDIVE) 6. 06:59 AM - Re: fuel pump question (FLYaDIVE) 7. 07:54 AM - Re: Millennium cylinders (flyv35b) 8. 10:43 AM - Re: Millennium cylinders (FLYaDIVE) 9. 01:39 PM - Re: Millennium cylinders (flyv35b) 10. 08:33 PM - Re: Millennium cylinders (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:12 AM PST US From: "Andy" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders Gary, My Tiger (O-360, of course) had Millennium cylinders. In fact I have a fresh spare sitting in the hanger that I never needed.....I can check the markings on if need be and It is available for sale or trade if you or someone needs it. Andy Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Vogt To: Teamgrumman List Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders Got another question This plane has Millennium cylinders with a casting number of SLC36005. The only thing I can find on the internet is an application for an O320E2D. This plane can't possibly have O320 cylinders . . . can it? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:06 AM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: fuel pump question The nut probably broke off at sometime. It was brazed or soldered on and can be broken off with to much torque. Original nut used a 5/8" wrench and the more recent ones use 7/8". Cliff On 3/15/2011 5:39 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > The electric boost pump on the TIger I've been working on, the cap where > the filter goes, doesn't have a hex nut or anything on the bottom. > > Question: Is this an early design? or is this an anomaly? > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:06 AM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders The O-320 has a shorter stroke. If you used O-320 cylinders with the O-360 crank and rods I would suspect the pistons would hit the top of the cylinder heads or the valves. If that didn't happen the CR would be extreemly high! The head casting number may be the same, just a longer barrel on the O-320 possibly. Cliff On 3/15/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > Got another question > > This plane has Millennium cylinders with a casting number of SLC36005. > The only thing I can find on the internet is an application for an O320E2D. > > This plane can't possibly have O320 cylinders . . . can it? > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:02 AM PST US From: Garner Rice Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: fuel pump question The original pumps were supplie dby Bendix and the nut was welded on the fi lter cap. The new pumps have the dut as part of the filter cap and it is st amped as part of the filter cap. Give me a call and I will send you a cap from one of the pumps that dont perform to the requirments and cant be PMA approved. Garner > Date: Wed=2C 16 Mar 2011 05:47:50 -0700 > From: flyv35b@minetfiber.com > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: fuel pump question > > > The nut probably broke off at sometime. It was brazed or soldered on > and can be broken off with to much torque. Original nut used a 5/8" > wrench and the more recent ones use 7/8". > > Cliff > > On 3/15/2011 5:39 PM=2C Gary Vogt wrote: > > The electric boost pump on the TIger I've been working on=2C the cap wh ere > > the filter goes=2C doesn't have a hex nut or anything on the bottom. > > > > Question: Is this an early design? or is this an anomaly? > > > > * > > > > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders From: FLYaDIVE Cliff: Are you sure about that? I was told just the opposite from an engine shop. Is there any way it can be researched? Barry "Chop'd Liver" PS: I REALLY do not trust that particular engine shop. ================================================= On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, flyv35b wrote: > > The O-320 has a shorter stroke. If you used O-320 cylinders with the O-360 > crank and rods I would suspect the pistons would hit the top of the cylinder > heads or the valves. If that didn't happen the CR would be extreemly high! > The head casting number may be the same, just a longer barrel on the O-320 > possibly. > > Cliff > > > On 3/15/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > >> Got another question >> >> This plane has Millennium cylinders with a casting number of SLC36005. >> The only thing I can find on the internet is an application for an >> O320E2D. >> >> This plane can't possibly have O320 cylinders . . . can it? >> >> * >> >> >> * >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: fuel pump question From: FLYaDIVE Gary: FAUCET does make a SEALED pump. But it is NOT an aircraft pump. Barry On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > The electric boost pump on the TIger I've been working on, the cap where > the filter goes, doesn't have a hex nut or anything on the bottom. > > Question: Is this an early design? or is this an anomaly? > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:03 AM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders Sure about what? I didn't say I was sure about anything except that the O-320 has a shorter stroke than and O-360. Cliff On 3/16/2011 6:55 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Cliff: > > Are you sure about that? I was told just the opposite from an engine > shop. Is there any way it can be researched? > > Barry > "Chop'd Liver" > PS: > > I REALLY do not trust that particular engine shop. > > ======================== > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, flyv35b > wrote: > > > > > The O-320 has a shorter stroke. If you used O-320 cylinders with > the O-360 crank and rods I would suspect the pistons would hit the > top of the cylinder heads or the valves. If that didn't happen the > CR would be extreemly high! The head casting number may be the > same, just a longer barrel on the O-320 possibly. > > Cliff > > > On 3/15/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > > Got another question > > This plane has Millennium cylinders with a casting number of > SLC36005. > The only thing I can find on the internet is an application for > an O320E2D. > > This plane can't possibly have O320 cylinders . . . can it? > > * > > > * > > > ========== > List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders From: FLYaDIVE Yes, Cliff.... I was told the connecting rod was shorter on an O-360 than on an O-320. Just the opposite of what stated. I did not do the research, I do not have the factory manual for building an O-360. Only want was told to be by Columbia Engines. Barry On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:51 AM, flyv35b wrote: > > Sure about what? I didn't say I was sure about anything except that the > O-320 has a shorter stroke than and O-360. > > Cliff > > > On 3/16/2011 6:55 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > >> Cliff: >> >> Are you sure about that? I was told just the opposite from an engine >> shop. Is there any way it can be researched? >> >> Barry >> "Chop'd Liver" >> PS: >> >> I REALLY do not trust that particular engine shop. >> >> ======================== >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, flyv35b > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> The O-320 has a shorter stroke. If you used O-320 cylinders with >> the O-360 crank and rods I would suspect the pistons would hit the >> top of the cylinder heads or the valves. If that didn't happen the >> CR would be extreemly high! The head casting number may be the >> same, just a longer barrel on the O-320 possibly. >> >> Cliff >> >> >> On 3/15/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: >> >> Got another question >> >> This plane has Millennium cylinders with a casting number of >> SLC36005. >> The only thing I can find on the internet is an application for >> an O320E2D. >> >> This plane can't possibly have O320 cylinders . . . can it? >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> ========== >> List" >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:48 PM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders I wasn't talking about the connecting rod length, but the engine stroke. Since both engines have the same bore the O-360 has a greater stroke. As to cylinder length, I have both cylinders in my hanger, so I'll check on their length when I get a chance. I still think the O-360 cylinder is longer. Cliff On 3/16/2011 10:20 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Yes, Cliff.... > > I was told the connecting rod was shorter on an O-360 than on an O-320. > Just the opposite of what stated. I did not do the research, I do not > have the factory manual for building an O-360. Only want was told to be > by Columbia Engines. > > Barry > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:51 AM, flyv35b > wrote: > > > > > Sure about what? I didn't say I was sure about anything except that > the O-320 has a shorter stroke than and O-360. > > Cliff > > > On 3/16/2011 6:55 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > > Cliff: > > Are you sure about that? I was told just the opposite from an > engine > shop. Is there any way it can be researched? > > Barry > "Chop'd Liver" > PS: > > I REALLY do not trust that particular engine shop. > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, flyv35b > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > The O-320 has a shorter stroke. If you used O-320 cylinders > with > the O-360 crank and rods I would suspect the pistons would > hit the > top of the cylinder heads or the valves. If that didn't > happen the > CR would be extreemly high! The head casting number may be the > same, just a longer barrel on the O-320 possibly. > > Cliff > > > On 3/15/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > > Got another question > > This plane has Millennium cylinders with a casting number of > SLC36005. > The only thing I can find on the internet is an > application for > an O320E2D. > > This plane can't possibly have O320 cylinders . . . can it? > > * > > > * > > > ========== > List" > > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * > > > ========== > List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:09 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders Cliff, The O360 is 1/2 inch longer. These have to be the right cylinders. Not sure why the casting number doesn't show up on Superiors web site. Gary ________________________________ From: flyv35b Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 1:37:06 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders I wasn't talking about the connecting rod length, but the engine stroke. Since both engines have the same bore the O-360 has a greater stroke. As to cylinder length, I have both cylinders in my hanger, so I'll check on their length when I get a chance. I still think the O-360 cylinder is longer. Cliff On 3/16/2011 10:20 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Yes, Cliff.... > > I was told the connecting rod was shorter on an O-360 than on an O-320. > Just the opposite of what stated. I did not do the research, I do not > have the factory manual for building an O-360. Only want was told to be > by Columbia Engines. > > Barry > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:51 AM, flyv35b > wrote: > > > > > Sure about what? I didn't say I was sure about anything except that > the O-320 has a shorter stroke than and O-360. > > Cliff > > > On 3/16/2011 6:55 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > > Cliff: > > Are you sure about that? I was told just the opposite from an > engine > shop. Is there any way it can be researched? > > Barry > "Chop'd Liver" > PS: > > I REALLY do not trust that particular engine shop. > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, flyv35b > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > The O-320 has a shorter stroke. If you used O-320 cylinders > with > the O-360 crank and rods I would suspect the pistons would > hit the > top of the cylinder heads or the valves. If that didn't > happen the > CR would be extreemly high! The head casting number may be the > same, just a longer barrel on the O-320 possibly. > > Cliff > > > On 3/15/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > > Got another question > > This plane has Millennium cylinders with a casting number of > SLC36005. > The only thing I can find on the internet is an > application for > an O320E2D. > > This plane can't possibly have O320 cylinders . . . can it? > > * > > > * > > > ========== > List" > > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * > > > ========== > List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.