---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/17/11: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Millennium cylinders (flyv35b) 2. 12:06 PM - Aft fuselage repair (Gary Vogt) 3. 12:38 PM - IO360-B1G6 (Gary Vogt) 4. 12:58 PM - Re: Aft fuselage repair (Garner Rice) 5. 03:31 PM - Re: Aft fuselage repair (Gary Vogt) 6. 05:06 PM - Re: Aft fuselage repair (flyv35b) 7. 09:42 PM - Re: Aft fuselage repair (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:39 AM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders I think that is essentially what I said: longer stroke, longer cylinders. I just wasn't sure if it was 1/2" or something close. Actually, the displacement and stoke is: 361 in.^3/4.375 in and 319.8/3.875. The O-360 rod length is 0.25 in LONGER than the O-320 rod (don't know what Barry's engine shop was smoking when they told him is was shorter!) And I don't see how you could install O-320 cylinders (with the 8.5:1 CR piston) on an O-360 engine without either the piston hitting the head or valves or the top ring coming out of the bore at the top. Cliff On 3/16/2011 8:29 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > Cliff, > > The O360 is 1/2 inch longer. These have to be the right cylinders. Not > sure why the casting number doesn't show up on Superiors web site. > > Gary > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* flyv35b > *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wed, March 16, 2011 1:37:06 PM > *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Millennium cylinders > > > > > I wasn't talking about the connecting rod length, but the engine stroke. > Since both engines have the same bore the O-360 has a greater stroke. > As to cylinder length, I have both cylinders in my hanger, so I'll > check on their length when I get a chance. I still think the O-360 > cylinder is longer. > > Cliff > > On 3/16/2011 10:20 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > > Yes, Cliff.... > > > > I was told the connecting rod was shorter on an O-360 than on an O-320. > > Just the opposite of what stated. I did not do the research, I do not > > have the factory manual for building an O-360. Only want was told to be > > by Columbia Engines. > > > > Barry > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:51 AM, flyv35b > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > Sure about what? I didn't say I was sure about anything except that > > the O-320 has a shorter stroke than and O-360. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > On 3/16/2011 6:55 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > > > > Cliff: > > > > Are you sure about that? I was told just the opposite from an > > engine > > shop. Is there any way it can be researched? > > > > Barry > > "Chop'd Liver" > > PS: > > > > I REALLY do not trust that particular engine shop. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:52 AM, flyv35b > > > > > > >>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > The O-320 has a shorter stroke. If you used O-320 cylinders > > with > > the O-360 crank and rods I would suspect the pistons would > > hit the > > top of the cylinder heads or the valves. If that didn't > > happen the > > CR would be extreemly high! The head casting number may be the > > same, just a longer barrel on the O-320 possibly. > > > > Cliff > > > > > > On 3/15/2011 8:34 PM, Gary Vogt wrote: > > > > Got another question > > > > This plane has Millennium cylinders with a casting number of > > SLC36005. > > The only thing I can find on the internet is an > > application for > > an O320E2D. > > > > This plane can't possibly have O320 cylinders . . . can it? > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > ========== > > List" > > >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List > > ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com > > ========== > > le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > ========== > > List" > > target="_blank"> > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:16 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair I only have a few pics here. I put all of them on the AuCountry Aviation Facebook page. So, what do I do? As you may be able to see, it looks like the aft fuselage has been sitting in water for a log time. No telling what the wires look like. There is nothing in the log book for this repair. I've spent about 4 hours going through the logbooks and trying to decipher the handwriting. There are a lot of missing entries. The only mention of any repair is, and I quote, 8/13/1979 835.6 TTAF . . . . stop drill cracks on lower empennage tail bulkhead, make small patch repair on right lower horizontal tail. ==================================================================================== Plus, there is no mention of a complete paint job or replacement of the interior. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:13 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: IO360-B1G6 In order to use the 2-blade scimitar prop, I needed a counter balanced engine. Here it is. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:37 PM PST US From: Garner Rice Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair Get the rocords from the FAA. It'll cost ya about 4 to 10 bucks. Anybody ca n fill out a 337 illegally. On the other hand=2C the plane you helped me wi th in Sacremento had stuff done and there was no mention in the log book=2C but the records from the FAA told a different story. Good investment and o nly takes about a week or faster. Garner From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair I only have a few pics here. I put all of them on the AuCountry Aviation F acebook page. So=2C what do I do? As you may be able to see=2C it looks like the aft f uselage has been sitting in water for a log time. No telling what the wire s look like. There is nothing in the log book for this repair. I've spent about 4 hours going through the logbooks and trying to decipher the handwriting. There are a lot of missing entries. The only mention of any repair is=2C and I quote=2C 8/13/1979 835.6 TTAF . . . . stop drill cracks on lower empennage tail bulkhead=2C make small pa tch repair on right lower horizontal tail. ========= Plus=2C there is no mention of a complete paint job or replacement of the i nterior. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:06 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair I'll have the owner get the records and send them to me. ________________________________ From: Garner Rice Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 12:55:12 PM Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair Get the rocords from the FAA. It'll cost ya about 4 to 10 bucks. Anybody can fill out a 337 illegally. On the other hand, the plane you helped me with in Sacremento had stuff done and there was no mention in the log book, but the records from the FAA told a different story. Good investment and only takes about a week or faster. Garner ________________________________ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:58:34 -0700 From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair I only have a few pics here. I put all of them on the AuCountry Aviation Facebook page. So, what do I do? As you may be able to see, it looks like the aft fuselage has been sitting in water for a log time. No telling what the wires look like. There is nothing in the log book for this repair. I've spent about 4 hours going through the logbooks and trying to decipher the handwriting. There are a lot of missing entries. The only mention of any repair is, and I quote, 8/13/1979 835.6 TTAF . . . . stop drill cracks on lower empennage tail bulkhead, make small patch repair on right lower horizontal tail. ================================== Plus, there is no mention of a complete paint job or replacement of the interior. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:51 PM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair If I did a repair like that I probably wouldn't put an entry in the logbook either! Cliff On 3/17/2011 12:55 PM, Garner Rice wrote: > Get the rocords from the FAA. It'll cost ya about 4 to 10 bucks. Anybody > can fill out a 337 illegally. On the other hand, the plane you helped me > with in Sacremento had stuff done and there was no mention in the log > book, but the records from the FAA told a different story. Good > investment and only takes about a week or faster. > > Garner > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:58:34 -0700 > From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > > I only have a few pics here. I put all of them on the AuCountry Aviation > Facebook page. > > So, what do I do? As you may be able to see, it looks like the aft > fuselage has been sitting in water for a log time. No telling what the > wires look like. > > There is nothing in the log book for this repair. I've spent about 4 > hours going through the logbooks and trying to decipher the handwriting. > There are a lot of missing entries. > > The only mention of any repair is, and I quote, > > 8/13/1979 > 835.6 TTAF > > . . . . stop drill cracks on lower empennage tail bulkhead, make small > patch repair on right lower horizontal tail. > ================================== > > Plus, there is no mention of a complete paint job or replacement of the > interior. > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:46 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair "If I did a repair like that I probably wouldn't put an entry in the logbook either! Cliff" Good point. ________________________________ From: flyv35b Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 5:04:21 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair If I did a repair like that I probably wouldn't put an entry in the logbook either! Cliff On 3/17/2011 12:55 PM, Garner Rice wrote: > Get the rocords from the FAA. It'll cost ya about 4 to 10 bucks. Anybody > can fill out a 337 illegally. On the other hand, the plane you helped me > with in Sacremento had stuff done and there was no mention in the log > book, but the records from the FAA told a different story. Good > investment and only takes about a week or faster. > > Garner > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:58:34 -0700 > From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Aft fuselage repair > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > > I only have a few pics here. I put all of them on the AuCountry Aviation > Facebook page. > > So, what do I do? As you may be able to see, it looks like the aft > fuselage has been sitting in water for a log time. No telling what the > wires look like. > > There is nothing in the log book for this repair. I've spent about 4 > hours going through the logbooks and trying to decipher the handwriting. > There are a lot of missing entries. > > The only mention of any repair is, and I quote, > > 8/13/1979 > 835.6 TTAF > > . . . . stop drill cracks on lower empennage tail bulkhead, make small > patch repair on right lower horizontal tail. > ================================== > > Plus, there is no mention of a complete paint job or replacement of the > interior. > > > * > > > * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.