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1. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Cooling exit ramp (Gary Vogt)
2. 11:12 AM - Re: Re: Cooling exit ramp (Airport Bum)
3. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: Cooling exit ramp (Steve Roberts)
4. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Cooling exit ramp (Gary Vogt)
5. 01:44 PM - Cowling alignment controversy. (Gary Vogt)
6. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: Cooling exit ramp (Gary Vogt)
7. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Cooling exit ramp (flyv35b)
8. 06:37 PM - Re: Cowling alignment controversy. (discover)
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling exit ramp |
WHAT? you mean the sky isn't falling? Damn. And I was so sure it was.
________________________________
From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:21:42 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Actually I know both parties and I'm interested in the discussion.
This is an interesting new product in a very tough market. Anytime a new
product comes the market it's bound to have growing pains. What makes the
difference is how the vender handles the issue. I also think it's important to
see customer feedback.
Gary can be flowery and dramatic sometimes that's just his style. Net is a good
guy, if a little high strung sometimes. At the end of the day they are both
good guys, I hope they work it out and everyone goes home happy.
This is an open forum unlike the Levy gang where you get to hear Ron's opinion
on everything weather you ask for it or not.
Kevin
Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net> wrote:
>I don't know either one of you and I don't understand why I should be
>interested in these personal vendettas between the two of you. Is this
>really material for a public forum? It certainly does not add any value to
>me as a Tiger owner. When I see certain posters on this list I usually
>automatically hit the delete button without opening the email. Kinda like
>dealing with spam.
>
>
>
>From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
>Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:27 PM
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>
>Ned,
>
>
>
>If, as you say, your exit ramps look exactly like mine, why do you say shit
>like "Try laying a straight edge on yours. I bet you'll find the same thing.
>If not then my cowl really has a lot more defects than I thought." I really
>don't understand what your problem with the exit ramp is (or was). The
>bottom of the ramp is fabricated flat (with some curvature to conform to the
>cowling). The cowling has it's own ramp. The two are faired together when
>they are joined. It's pretty obvious.
>
>
>
>Here we go again "If you had done a better job when you installed the
>cowling I would have had no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine
>alignment as I ask you to do before you installed the Jaguar? Would have
>saved a lot of grief." OK, Ned, just what did you want me to align it to?
>
>
>
>As I recall, you wanted this cowling done and installed in record time. To
>help things along, to comply with your wishes, I used my plane to do all of
>the initial fitting of the cowling. All of the work trimming was already
>done when you got here. Your cowling fit great on my plane.
>
>
>
>I jeopardized my relationship with the FAA in order to get your 3 blade prop
>approved along with getting the airbox approved because I thought we were
>friends. They wanted a complete flight test to show the 3 bladed prop had
>no adverse interactions with the cowling. I called in a lot of favors and
>made a lot of promises to get your plane approved and finished as quickly as
>I did because I thought we were friends.
>
>
>
>I can get the cowling painted anywhere for $500 or less. I deducted $1000
>from the installed price because you said you didn't want it painted. I
>gave you a good deal because I thought we were friends. And then you pissed
>and moaned about a $5 cam-loc you wanted replaced. And you wanted a
>different right forward baffle so I gave you one. I gave you a baffle that
>cost me $35 to have made. And then you had the balls to whine about a
>cam-loc? Seriously, getting upset because you didn't get the $5 cam-loc you
>wanted????
>
>
>
>And the ONLY thanks I got from you was a report saying I forgot to tighten
>the plug leads (not, Gary was so stressed getting my plane back together
>that he forgot to tighten the plug leads), the plane was slower, and you
>weren't happy with the results. Then, on top of that, you wanted me to sell
>you another cowling at cost.
>
>
>
>Ned, nothing you've done or said since you left with the cowling has been or
>sounded like something a friend of mine would have done.
>
>
>
>In comparison, I have another customer who has gone out of his way to work
>with me when he wanted something done. If I don't have his plane ready, he
>either waits or comes over to help get another plane done so I can work on
>his. He has bought me $100 bottles of single malt scotch on more than one
>occasion, brings gifts for Clytie when he comes to pick up his plane, and
>gave me a $100 bonus because he said I didn't charge enough for the time I
>put into his wheel pants. In return, I sold him an eyebrow for $100, given
>him instrument panel overlays, and he will be getting the cowling from my
>plane for $1000 when I get the new one Dave is making for me. This customer
>has never asked for anything extra or asked if I can sell something to him
>cheaper or asked for anything for free. Unlike another customer of mine who
>comes in and loads up on bottled water from my refrigerator (putting it in
>his plane while he waits for me to get the plane out of the hangar), he's
>not a cheap bastard. He leaves $5 in the fridge if he takes some water. I
>like working with him. He's honest and doesn't expect something for
>nothing. I consider him my friend.
>
>
>
>I never posted that I HAVE reported you to the FAA.
>
>
>
>Gary
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: discover <923te@att.net>
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 2:19:19 PM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>I just got a call from a friend who mentioned this post from Gary about my
>Jaguar cowling. Really for the life of me I don't understand where you are
>coming from Gary. I have absolutely no interest in manufacturing or
>competing on a cowling. You've got to be kidding!
>
>My exit ramps look exactly the same as your pictures Gary.
>Let me say that again, My cowl is the same as yours; the pictures look
>EXACTLEY the same.
>
>I have made no modifications to the cowling.
>
>I am doing a repair by adding length to the trailing edge of the cowling so
>that it can be aligned with the prop spinner. I don't believe am making it
>any longer than it was in its pre-trimmed state. I am just trying to get it
>properly aligned to my Tiger. Again I have made no modifications.
>
>If you had done a better job when you installed the cowling I would have had
>no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine alignment as I ask you to do
>before you installed the Jaguar? Would have saved a lot of grief.
>
>As to why my engine ran rough remember posting this Gary: "As for the plug
>wires not being tight, OOPs"
>
>That's kinda how I was looking at the whole cowling experience with you
>Gary....you just had a lot of oops...
>
>But your making false accusations about me to the FAA puts this on a whole
>different level. Do you really want to go to war over this?
>
>I see the posts we put here last fall where we discussed the poor fitting of
>the cowl have been removed. At least I cannot locate them here now. However,
>I do have pictures of how it was installed and how it was a poor fit. I have
>a copy of your emails wherein you agreed with me about this.
>I'm sure my FSDO inspector will want to see all this information should it
>actually go that far. Since you have made some kind of formal complaint to
>the FAA perhaps I should as well?
>
>Please let me know if you want to make something of this or if you will
>retract your false assertions to the FAA
>
>Gee Gary, I thought we were friends!
>
>When I flew home from your place with the new Jaguar cowl I found that it
>did not cool any better than the factory cowl and I posted this here. Later
>I found your safety wire "springs" broken. These are supposed to hold the
>under cylinder baffles together but they had broken and that is why it was
>not cooling better. After I replaced the broken springs with heavier safety
>wire I found and posted that the cowl did provide better cooling.
>
>I would think you owe me the courtesy of at least a phone call or personal
>emails before you go and make
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling exit ramp |
Its all good, You are both good guys and I'm sure you will work things out.
Kevin
Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>WHAT? you mean the sky isn't falling? Damn. And I was so sure it was.
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
>To: Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net>; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:21:42 AM
>Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>Actually I know both parties and I'm interested in the discussion.
>
>This is an interesting new product in a very tough market. Anytime a new
>product comes the market it's bound to have growing pains. What makes the
>difference is how the vender handles the issue. I also think it's important
to
>see customer feedback.
>
>
>Gary can be flowery and dramatic sometimes that's just his style. Net is a good
>guy, if a little high strung sometimes. At the end of the day they are both
>good guys, I hope they work it out and everyone goes home happy.
>
>This is an open forum unlike the Levy gang where you get to hear Ron's opinion
>on everything weather you ask for it or not.
>
>Kevin
>
>Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>>I don't know either one of you and I don't understand why I should be
>>interested in these personal vendettas between the two of you. Is this
>>really material for a public forum? It certainly does not add any value to
>>me as a Tiger owner. When I see certain posters on this list I usually
>>automatically hit the delete button without opening the email. Kinda like
>>dealing with spam.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:27 PM
>>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>>
>>
>>
>>Ned,
>>
>>
>>
>>If, as you say, your exit ramps look exactly like mine, why do you say shit
>>like "Try laying a straight edge on yours. I bet you'll find the same thing.
>>If not then my cowl really has a lot more defects than I thought." I really
>>don't understand what your problem with the exit ramp is (or was). The
>>bottom of the ramp is fabricated flat (with some curvature to conform to the
>>cowling). The cowling has it's own ramp. The two are faired together when
>>they are joined. It's pretty obvious.
>>
>>
>>
>>Here we go again "If you had done a better job when you installed the
>>cowling I would have had no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine
>>alignment as I ask you to do before you installed the Jaguar? Would have
>>saved a lot of grief." OK, Ned, just what did you want me to align it to?
>>
>>
>>
>>As I recall, you wanted this cowling done and installed in record time. To
>>help things along, to comply with your wishes, I used my plane to do all of
>>the initial fitting of the cowling. All of the work trimming was already
>>done when you got here. Your cowling fit great on my plane.
>>
>>
>>
>>I jeopardized my relationship with the FAA in order to get your 3 blade prop
>>approved along with getting the airbox approved because I thought we were
>>friends. They wanted a complete flight test to show the 3 bladed prop had
>>no adverse interactions with the cowling. I called in a lot of favors and
>>made a lot of promises to get your plane approved and finished as quickly as
>>I did because I thought we were friends.
>>
>>
>>
>>I can get the cowling painted anywhere for $500 or less. I deducted $1000
>>from the installed price because you said you didn't want it painted. I
>>gave you a good deal because I thought we were friends. And then you pissed
>>and moaned about a $5 cam-loc you wanted replaced. And you wanted a
>>different right forward baffle so I gave you one. I gave you a baffle that
>>cost me $35 to have made. And then you had the balls to whine about a
>>cam-loc? Seriously, getting upset because you didn't get the $5 cam-loc you
>>wanted????
>>
>>
>>
>>And the ONLY thanks I got from you was a report saying I forgot to tighten
>>the plug leads (not, Gary was so stressed getting my plane back together
>>that he forgot to tighten the plug leads), the plane was slower, and you
>>weren't happy with the results. Then, on top of that, you wanted me to sell
>>you another cowling at cost.
>>
>>
>>
>>Ned, nothing you've done or said since you left with the cowling has been or
>>sounded like something a friend of mine would have done.
>>
>>
>>
>>In comparison, I have another customer who has gone out of his way to work
>>with me when he wanted something done. If I don't have his plane ready, he
>>either waits or comes over to help get another plane done so I can work on
>>his. He has bought me $100 bottles of single malt scotch on more than one
>>occasion, brings gifts for Clytie when he comes to pick up his plane, and
>>gave me a $100 bonus because he said I didn't charge enough for the time I
>>put into his wheel pants. In return, I sold him an eyebrow for $100, given
>>him instrument panel overlays, and he will be getting the cowling from my
>>plane for $1000 when I get the new one Dave is making for me. This customer
>>has never asked for anything extra or asked if I can sell something to him
>>cheaper or asked for anything for free. Unlike another customer of mine who
>>comes in and loads up on bottled water from my refrigerator (putting it in
>>his plane while he waits for me to get the plane out of the hangar), he's
>>not a cheap bastard. He leaves $5 in the fridge if he takes some water. I
>>like working with him. He's honest and doesn't expect something for
>>nothing. I consider him my friend.
>>
>>
>>
>>I never posted that I HAVE reported you to the FAA.
>>
>>
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>>From: discover <923te@att.net>
>>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 2:19:19 PM
>>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>>
>>
>>I just got a call from a friend who mentioned this post from Gary about my
>>Jaguar cowling. Really for the life of me I don't understand where you are
>>coming from Gary. I have absolutely no interest in manufacturing or
>>competing on a cowling. You've got to be kidding!
>>
>>My exit ramps look exactly the same as your pictures Gary.
>>Let me say that again, My cowl is the same as yours; the pictures look
>>EXACTLEY the same.
>>
>>I have made no modifications to the cowling.
>>
>>I am doing a repair by adding length to the trailing edge of the cowling so
>>that it can be aligned with the prop spinner. I don't believe am making it
>>any longer than it was in its pre-trimmed state. I am just trying to get it
>>properly aligned to my Tiger. Again I have made no modifications.
>>
>>If you had done a better job when you installed the cowling I would have had
>>no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine alignment as I ask you to do
>>before you installed the Jaguar? Would have saved a lot of grief.
>>
>>As to why my engine ran rough remember posting this Gary: "As for the plug
>>wires not being tight, OOPs"
>>
>>That's kinda how I was looking at the whole cowling experience with you
>>Gary....you just had a lot of oops...
>>
>>But your making false accusations about me to the FAA puts this on a whole
>>different level. Do you really want to go to war over this?
>>
>>I see the posts we put here last fall where we discussed the poor fitting of
>>the cowl have been removed. At least I cannot locate them here now. However,
>>I do have pictures of how it was installed and how it was a poor fit. I have
>>a copy of your emails wherein you agreed with me about this.
>>I'm sure my FSDO inspector will want to see all this information should it
>>actually go that far. Since you have made some kind of formal complaint to
>>the FAA perhaps I should as well?
>>
>>Please let me know if you want to make something of this or if you will
>>retract your false assertions to the FAA
>>
>>Gee Gary, I thought we were friends!
>>
>>When I flew home from your place with the new Jaguar cowl I found that it
>>did not cool any better than the factory cowl and I posted this here. Later
>>I found your safety wire "springs" broken. These are supposed to hold the
>>under cylinder baffles together but they had broken and that is why it was
>>not cooling better. After I replaced the broken springs with heavier safety
>>wire I found and posted that the cowl did provide better cooling.
>>
>>I would think you owe me the courtesy of at least a phone call or personal
>>emails before you go and make
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling exit ramp |
Hey Gary=2C I like your eyebrow. Looks great on my two place. If I bought y
our cowl could I make it fit my AA1 with a hacksaw=2C a grinder and some bo
ndo? ROFLOL
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
Almost anything you do will be insignificant=2C
but it is very important that you do it.
- Mohandas Gandhi
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
WHAT? you mean the sky isn't falling? Damn. And I was so sure it was.
From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed=2C June 1=2C 2011 10:21:42 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Actually I know both parties and I'm interested in the discussion.
This is an interesting new product in a very tough market. Anytime a new p
roduct comes the market it's bound to have growing pains. What makes the d
ifference is how the vender handles the issue. I also think it's important
to see customer feedback.
Gary can be flowery and dramatic sometimes that's just his style. Net is a
good guy=2C if a little high strung sometimes. At the end of the day they
are both good guys=2C I hope they work it out and everyone goes home happy
.
This is an open forum unlike the Levy gang where you get to hear Ron's opi
nion on everything weather you ask for it or not.
Kevin
Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net> wrote:
>I don't know either one of you and I don't understand why I should be
>interested in these personal vendettas between the two of you. Is this
>really material for a public forum? It certainly does not add any value to
>me as a Tiger owner. When I see certain posters on this list I usually
>automatically hit the delete button without opening the email. Kinda like
>dealing with spam.
>
>
>
>From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vog
t
>Sent: Tuesday=2C May 31=2C 2011 9:27 PM
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>
>Ned=2C
>
>
>
>If=2C as you say=2C your exit ramps look exactly like mine=2C why do you s
ay shit
>like "Try laying a straight edge on yours. I bet you'll find the same thin
g.
>If not then my cowl really has a lot more defects than I thought." I real
ly
>don't understand what your problem with the exit ramp is (or was). The
>bottom of the ramp is fabricated flat (with some curvature to conform to t
he
>cowling). The cowling has it's own ramp. The two are faired together whe
n
>they are joined. It's pretty obvious.
>
>
>
>Here we go again "If you had done a better job when you installed the
>cowling I would have had no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine
>alignment as I ask you to do before you installed the Jaguar? Would have
>saved a lot of grief." OK=2C Ned=2C just what did you want me to align it
to?
>
>
>
>As I recall=2C you wanted this cowling done and installed in record time.
To
>help things along=2C to comply with your wishes=2C I used my plane to do a
ll of
>the initial fitting of the cowling. All of the work trimming was already
>done when you got here. Your cowling fit great on my plane.
>
>
>
>I jeopardized my relationship with the FAA in order to get your 3 blade pr
op
>approved along with getting the airbox approved because I thought we were
>friends. They wanted a complete flight test to show the 3 bladed prop had
>no adverse interactions with the cowling. I called in a lot of favors and
>made a lot of promises to get your plane approved and finished as quickly
as
>I did because I thought we were friends.
>
>
>
>I can get the cowling painted anywhere for $500 or less. I deducted $1000
>from the installed price because you said you didn't want it painted. I
>gave you a good deal because I thought we were friends. And then you piss
ed
>and moaned about a $5 cam-loc you wanted replaced. And you wanted a
>different right forward baffle so I gave you one. I gave you a baffle tha
t
>cost me $35 to have made. And then you had the balls to whine about a
>cam-loc? Seriously=2C getting upset because you didn't get the $5 cam-loc
you
>wanted????
>
>
>
>And the ONLY thanks I got from you was a report saying I forgot to tighten
>the plug leads (not=2C Gary was so stressed getting my plane back together
>that he forgot to tighten the plug leads)=2C the plane was slower=2C and y
ou
>weren't happy with the results. Then=2C on top of that=2C you wanted me t
o sell
>you another cowling at cost.
>
>
>
>Ned=2C nothing you've done or said since you left with the cowling has bee
n or
>sounded like something a friend of mine would have done.
>
>
>
>In comparison=2C I have another customer who has gone out of his way to wo
rk
>with me when he wanted something done. If I don't have his plane ready=2C
he
>either waits or comes over to help get another plane done so I can work on
>his. He has bought me $100 bottles of single malt scotch on more than one
>occasion=2C brings gifts for Clytie when he comes to pick up his plane=2C
and
>gave me a $100 bonus because he said I didn't charge enough for the time I
>put into his wheel pants. In return=2C I sold him an eyebrow for $100=2C
given
>him instrument panel overlays=2C and he will be getting the cowling from m
y
>plane for $1000 when I get the new one Dave is making for me. This custom
er
>has never asked for anything extra or asked if I can sell something to him
>cheaper or asked for anything for free. Unlike another customer of mine w
ho
>comes in and loads up on bottled water from my refrigerator (putting it in
>his plane while he waits for me to get the plane out of the hangar)=2C he'
s
>not a cheap bastard. He leaves $5 in the fridge if he takes some water.
I
>like working with him. He's honest and doesn't expect something for
>nothing. I consider him my friend.
>
>
>
>I never posted that I HAVE reported you to the FAA.
>
>
>
>Gary
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: discover <923te@att.net>
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue=2C May 31=2C 2011 2:19:19 PM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>I just got a call from a friend who mentioned this post from Gary about my
>Jaguar cowling. Really for the life of me I don't understand where you are
>coming from Gary. I have absolutely no interest in manufacturing or
>competing on a cowling. You've got to be kidding!
>
>My exit ramps look exactly the same as your pictures Gary.
>Let me say that again=2C My cowl is the same as yours=3B the pictures look
>EXACTLEY the same.
>
>I have made no modifications to the cowling.
>
>I am doing a repair by adding length to the trailing edge of the cowling s
o
>that it can be aligned with the prop spinner. I don't believe am making it
>any longer than it was in its pre-trimmed state. I am just trying to get i
t
>properly aligned to my Tiger. Again I have made no modifications.
>
>If you had done a better job when you installed the cowling I would have h
ad
>no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine alignment as I ask you to do
>before you installed the Jaguar? Would have saved a lot of grief.
>
>As to why my engine ran rough remember posting this Gary: "As for the plug
>wires not being tight=2C OOPs"
>
>That's kinda how I was looking at the whole cowling experience with you
>Gary....you just had a lot of oops...
>
>But your making false accusations about me to the FAA puts this on a whole
>different level. Do you really want to go to war over this?
>
>I see the posts we put here last fall where we discussed the poor fitting
of
>the cowl have been removed. At least I cannot locate them here now. Howeve
r=2C
>I do have pictures of how it was installed and how it was a poor fit. I ha
ve
>a copy of your emails wherein you agreed with me about this.
>I'm sure my FSDO inspector will want to see all this information should it
>actually go that far. Since you have made some kind of formal complaint to
>the FAA perhaps I should as well?
>
>Please let me know if you want to make something of this or if you will
>retract your false assertions to the FAA
>
>Gee Gary=2C I thought we were friends!
>
>When I flew home from your place with the new Jaguar cowl I found that it
>did not cool any better
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling exit ramp |
Hi Steve,
Glad you like the eyebrow. I put my cowling on a 2-place. It looks pretty
funny. I have a picture in iPhoto, but I can't find it. I have over 7,000
photos in there.
Gary
________________________________
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 11:58:07 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Hey Gary, I like your eyebrow. Looks great on my two place. If I bought your
cowl could I make it fit my AA1 with a hacksaw, a grinder and some bondo? ROFLOL
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
Almost anything you do will be insignificant,
but it is very important that you do it.
- Mohandas Gandhi
________________________________
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:44:54 -0700
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
WHAT? you mean the sky isn't falling? Damn. And I was so sure it was.
________________________________
From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:21:42 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Actually I know both parties and I'm interested in the discussion.
This is an interesting new product in a very tough market. Anytime a new
product comes the market it's bound to have growing pains. What makes the
difference is how the vender handles the issue. I also think it's important to
see customer feedback.
Gary can be flowery and dramatic sometimes that's just his style. Net is a good
guy, if a little high strung sometimes. At the end of the day they are both
good guys, I hope they work it out and everyone goes home happy.
This is an open forum unlike the Levy gang where you get to hear Ron's opinion
on everything weather you ask for it or not.
Kevin
Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net> wrote:
>I don't know either one of you and I don't understand why I should be
>interested in these personal vendettas between the two of you. Is this
>really material for a public forum? It certainly does not add any value to
>me as a Tiger owner. When I see certain posters on this list I usually
>automatically hit the delete button without opening the email. Kinda like
>dealing with spam.
>
>
>
>From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
>Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:27 PM
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>
>Ned,
>
>
>
>If, as you say, your exit ramps look exactly like mine, why do you say shit
>like "Try laying a straight edge on yours. I bet you'll find the same thing.
>If not then my cowl really has a lot more defects than I thought." I really
>don't understand what your problem with the exit ramp is (or was). The
>bottom of the ramp is fabricated flat (with some curvature to conform to the
>cowling). The cowling has it's own ramp. The two are faired together when
>they are joined. It's pretty obvious.
>
>
>
>Here we go again "If you had done a better job when you installed the
>cowling I would have had no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine
>alignment as I ask you to do before you installed the Jaguar? Would have
>saved a lot of grief." OK, Ned, just what did you want me to align it to?
>
>
>
>As I recall, you wanted this cowling done and installed in record time. To
>help things along, to comply with your wishes, I used my plane to do all of
>the initial fitting of the cowling. All of the work trimming was already
>done when you got here. Your cowling fit great on my plane.
>
>
>
>I jeopardized my relationship with the FAA in order to get your 3 blade prop
>approved along with getting the airbox approved because I thought we were
>friends. They wanted a complete flight test to show the 3 bladed prop had
>no adverse interactions with the cowling. I called in a lot of favors and
>made a lot of promises to get your plane approved and finished as quickly as
>I did because I thought we were friends.
>
>
>
>I can get the cowling painted anywhere for $500 or less. I deducted $1000
>from the installed price because you said you didn't want it painted. I
>gave you a good deal because I thought we were friends. And then you pissed
>and moaned about a $5 cam-loc you wanted replaced. And you wanted a
>different right forward baffle so I gave you one. I gave you a baffle that
>cost me $35 to have made. And then you had the balls to whine about a
>cam-loc? Seriously, getting upset because you didn't get the $5 cam-loc you
>wanted????
>
>
>
>And the ONLY thanks I got from you was a report saying I forgot to tighten
>the plug leads (not, Gary was so stressed getting my plane back together
>that he forgot to tighten the plug leads), the plane was slower, and you
>weren't happy with the results. Then, on top of that, you wanted me to sell
>you another cowling at cost.
>
>
>
>Ned, nothing you've done or said since you left with the cowling has been or
>sounded like something a friend of mine would have done.
>
>
>
>In comparison, I have another customer who has gone out of his way to work
>with me when he wanted something done. If I don't have his plane ready, he
>either waits or comes over to help get another plane done so I can work on
>his. He has bought me $100 bottles of single malt scotch on more than one
>occasion, brings gifts for Clytie when he comes to pick up his plane, and
>gave me a $100 bonus because he said I didn't charge enough for the time I
>put into his wheel pants. In return, I sold him an eyebrow for $100, given
>him instrument panel overlays, and he will be getting the cowling from my
>plane for $1000 when I get the new one Dave is making for me. This customer
>has never asked for anything extra or asked if I can sell something to him
>cheaper or asked for anything for free. Unlike another customer of mine who
>comes in and loads up on bottled water from my refrigerator (putting it in
>his plane while he waits for me to get the plane out of the hangar), he's
>not a cheap bastard. He leaves $5 in the fridge if he takes some water. I
>like working with him. He's honest and doesn't expect something for
>nothing. I consider him my friend.
>
>
>
>I never posted that I HAVE reported you to the FAA.
>
>
>
>Gary
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: discover <923te@att.net>
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 2:19:19 PM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>I just got a call from a friend who mentioned this post from Gary about my
>Jaguar cowling. Really for the life of me I don't understand where you are
>coming from Gary. I have absolutely no interest in manufacturing or
>competing on a cowling. You've got to be kidding!
>
>My exit ramps look exactly the same as your pictures Gary.
>Let me say that again, My cowl is the same as yours; the pictures look
>EXACTLEY the same.
>
>I have made no modifications to the cowling.
>
>I am doing a repair by adding length to the trailing edge of the cowling so
>that it can be aligned with the prop spinner. I don't believe am making it
>any longer than it was in its pre-trimmed state. I am just trying to get it
>properly aligned to my Tiger. Again I have made no modifications.
>
>If you had done a better job when you installed the cowling I would have had
>no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine alignment as I ask you to do
>before you installed the Jaguar? Would have saved a lot of grief.
>
>As to why my engine ran rough remember posting this Gary: "As for the plug
>wires not being tight, OOPs"
>
>That's kinda how I was looking at the whole cowling experience with you
>Gary....you just had a lot of oops...
>
>But your making false accusations about me to the FAA puts this on a whole
>different level. Do you really want to go to war over this?
>
>I see the posts we put here last fall where we discussed the poor fitting of
>the cowl have been removed. At least I cannot locate them here now. However,
>I do have pictures of how it was installed and how it was a poor fit. I have
>a copy of your emails wherein you agreed with me about this.
>I'm sure my FSDO inspector will want to see all this information should it
>actually go that far. Since you have made some kind of formal complaint to
>the FAA perhaps I should as well?
>
>Please let me know if you want to make something of this or if you will
>retract your false assertions to the FAA
>
>Gee Gary, I thought we were friends!
>
>When I flew home from your place with the new Jaguar cowl I found that it
>did not cool any better
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Let's beat a dead horse.
I have some pics of 923TE during and after installation. Does the engine look
aligned to the cowling? I don't remember if I had to do any shim changing or
not. Probably. My only observation was that the MT spinner was a smaller
diameter than the original AA5B/AG5B spinner. It was noticeable.
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found it.
________________________________
From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 1:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Hi Steve,
Glad you like the eyebrow. I put my cowling on a 2-place. It looks pretty
funny. I have a picture in iPhoto, but I can't find it. I have over 7,000
photos in there.
Gary
________________________________
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 11:58:07 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Hey Gary, I like your eyebrow. Looks great on my two place. If I bought your
cowl could I make it fit my AA1 with a hacksaw, a grinder and some bondo? ROFLOL
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
Almost anything you do will be insignificant,
but it is very important that you do it.
- Mohandas Gandhi
________________________________
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:44:54 -0700
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
WHAT? you mean the sky isn't falling? Damn. And I was so sure it was.
________________________________
From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:21:42 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Actually I know both parties and I'm interested in the discussion.
This is an interesting new product in a very tough market. Anytime a new
product comes the market it's bound to have growing pains. What makes the
difference is how the vender handles the issue. I also think it's important to
see customer feedback.
Gary can be flowery and dramatic sometimes that's just his style. Net is a good
guy, if a little high strung sometimes. At the end of the day they are both
good guys, I hope they work it out and everyone goes home happy.
This is an open forum unlike the Levy gang where you get to hear Ron's opinion
on everything weather you ask for it or not.
Kevin
Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net> wrote:
>I don't know either one of you and I don't understand why I should be
>interested in these personal vendettas between the two of you. Is this
>really material for a public forum? It certainly does not add any value to
>me as a Tiger owner. When I see certain posters on this list I usually
>automatically hit the delete button without opening the email. Kinda like
>dealing with spam.
>
>
>
>From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
>Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:27 PM
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>
>Ned,
>
>
>
>If, as you say, your exit ramps look exactly like mine, why do you say shit
>like "Try laying a straight edge on yours. I bet you'll find the same thing.
>If not then my cowl really has a lot more defects than I thought." I really
>don't understand what your problem with the exit ramp is (or was). The
>bottom of the ramp is fabricated flat (with some curvature to conform to the
>cowling). The cowling has it's own ramp. The two are faired together when
>they are joined. It's pretty obvious.
>
>
>
>Here we go again "If you had done a better job when you installed the
>cowling I would have had no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine
>alignment as I ask you to do before you installed the Jaguar? Would have
>saved a lot of grief." OK, Ned, just what did you want me to align it to?
>
>
>
>As I recall, you wanted this cowling done and installed in record time. To
>help things along, to comply with your wishes, I used my plane to do all of
>the initial fitting of the cowling. All of the work trimming was already
>done when you got here. Your cowling fit great on my plane.
>
>
>
>I jeopardized my relationship with the FAA in order to get your 3 blade prop
>approved along with getting the airbox approved because I thought we were
>friends. They wanted a complete flight test to show the 3 bladed prop had
>no adverse interactions with the cowling. I called in a lot of favors and
>made a lot of promises to get your plane approved and finished as quickly as
>I did because I thought we were friends.
>
>
>
>I can get the cowling painted anywhere for $500 or less. I deducted $1000
>from the installed price because you said you didn't want it painted. I
>gave you a good deal because I thought we were friends. And then you pissed
>and moaned about a $5 cam-loc you wanted replaced. And you wanted a
>different right forward baffle so I gave you one. I gave you a baffle that
>cost me $35 to have made. And then you had the balls to whine about a
>cam-loc? Seriously, getting upset because you didn't get the $5 cam-loc you
>wanted????
>
>
>
>And the ONLY thanks I got from you was a report saying I forgot to tighten
>the plug leads (not, Gary was so stressed getting my plane back together
>that he forgot to tighten the plug leads), the plane was slower, and you
>weren't happy with the results. Then, on top of that, you wanted me to sell
>you another cowling at cost.
>
>
>
>Ned, nothing you've done or said since you left with the cowling has been or
>sounded like something a friend of mine would have done.
>
>
>
>In comparison, I have another customer who has gone out of his way to work
>with me when he wanted something done. If I don't have his plane ready, he
>either waits or comes over to help get another plane done so I can work on
>his. He has bought me $100 bottles of single malt scotch on more than one
>occasion, brings gifts for Clytie when he comes to pick up his plane, and
>gave me a $100 bonus because he said I didn't charge enough for the time I
>put into his wheel pants. In return, I sold him an eyebrow for $100, given
>him instrument panel overlays, and he will be getting the cowling from my
>plane for $1000 when I get the new one Dave is making for me. This customer
>has never asked for anything extra or asked if I can sell something to him
>cheaper or asked for anything for free. Unlike another customer of mine who
>comes in and loads up on bottled water from my refrigerator (putting it in
>his plane while he waits for me to get the plane out of the hangar), he's
>not a cheap bastard. He leaves $5 in the fridge if he takes some water. I
>like working with him. He's honest and doesn't expect something for
>nothing. I consider him my friend.
>
>
>
>I never posted that I HAVE reported you to the FAA.
>
>
>
>Gary
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: discover <923te@att.net>
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 2:19:19 PM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>I just got a call from a friend who mentioned this post from Gary about my
>Jaguar cowling. Really for the life of me I don't understand where you are
>coming from Gary. I have absolutely no interest in manufacturing or
>competing on a cowling. You've got to be kidding!
>
>My exit ramps look exactly the same as your pictures Gary.
>Let me say that again, My cowl is the same as yours; the pictures look
>EXACTLEY the same.
>
>I have made no modifications to the cowling.
>
>I am doing a repair by adding length to the trailing edge of the cowling so
>that it can be aligned with the prop spinner. I don't believe am making it
>any longer than it was in its pre-trimmed state. I am just trying to get it
>properly aligned to my Tiger. Again I have made no modifications.
>
>If you had done a better job when you installed the cowling I would have had
>no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine alignment as I ask you to do
>before you installed the Jaguar? Would have saved a lot of grief.
>
>As to why my engine ran rough remember posting this Gary: "As for the plug
>wires not being tight, OOPs"
>
>That's kinda how I was looking at the whole cowling experience with you
>Gary....you just had a lot of oops...
>
>But your making false accusations about me to the FAA puts this on a whole
>different level. Do you really want to go to war over this?
>
>I see the posts we put here last fall where we discussed the poor fitting of
>the cowl have been removed. At least I cannot locate them here now. However,
>I do have pictures of how it was installed and how it was a poor fit. I have
>a copy of your emails wherein you agreed with me about this.
>I'm sure my FSDO inspector will want to see all this information should it
>actually go that far. Since you have made some kind of formal complaint to
>the FAA perhaps I should as well?
>
>Please let me know if you want to make something of this or if you will
>retract your false assertions to the FAA
>
>Gee Gary, I thought we were friends!
>
>When I flew home from your place with the new Jaguar cowl I found that it
>did not cool any better
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Put a 4" prop spacer and shorten the cowling about 4" and you'd be
pretty close.
Cliff
On 6/3/2011 1:53 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
> found it.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 1:26:17 PM
> *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Glad you like the eyebrow. I put my cowling on a 2-place. It looks
> pretty funny. I have a picture in iPhoto, but I can't find it. I have
> over 7,000 photos in there.
>
> Gary
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
> *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Fri, June 3, 2011 11:58:07 AM
> *Subject:* RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
> Hey Gary, I like your eyebrow. Looks great on my two place. If I bought
> your cowl could I make it fit my AA1 with a hacksaw, a grinder and some
> bondo? ROFLOL
>
> *Steve Roberts
> AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
> AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *Almost anything you do will be insignificant,*
>
> *but it is very important that you do it.*
>
> *- Mohandas Gandhi*
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:44:54 -0700
> From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>
> WHAT? you mean the sky isn't falling? Damn. And I was so sure it was.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
> *To:* Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net>; teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wed, June 1, 2011 10:21:42 AM
> *Subject:* RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
> <aa5_driver@yahoo.com <mailto:aa5_driver@yahoo.com>>
>
> Actually I know both parties and I'm interested in the discussion.
>
> This is an interesting new product in a very tough market. Anytime a new
> product comes the market it's bound to have growing pains. What makes
> the difference is how the vender handles the issue. I also think it's
> important to see customer feedback.
>
> Gary can be flowery and dramatic sometimes that's just his style. Net is
> a good guy, if a little high strung sometimes. At the end of the day
> they are both good guys, I hope they work it out and everyone goes home
> happy.
>
> This is an open forum unlike the Levy gang where you get to hear Ron's
> opinion on everything weather you ask for it or not.
>
> Kevin
>
> Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net <mailto:tscott165@cableone.net>> wrote:
>
> >I don't know either one of you and I don't understand why I should be
> >interested in these personal vendettas between the two of you. Is this
> >really material for a public forum? It certainly does not add any value to
> >me as a Tiger owner. When I see certain posters on this list I usually
> >automatically hit the delete button without opening the email. Kinda like
> >dealing with spam.
> >
> >
> >
> >From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com>
> >[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:27 PM
> >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com <mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
> >
> >
> >
> >Ned,
> >
> >
> >
> >If, as you say, your exit ramps look exactly like mine, why do you say
> shit
> >like "Try laying a straight edge on yours. I bet you'll find the same
> thing.
> >If not then my cowl really has a lot more defects than I thought." I
> really
> >don't understand what your problem with the exit ramp is (or was). The
> >bottom of the ramp is fabricated flat (with some curvature to conform
> to the
> >cowling). The cowling has it's own ramp. The two are faired together when
> >they are joined. It's pretty obvious.
> >
> >
> >
> >Here we go again "If you had done a better job when you installed the
> >cowling I would have had no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine
> >alignment as I ask you to do before you installed the Jaguar? Would have
> >saved a lot of grief." OK, Ned, just what did you want me to align it to?
> >
> >
> >
> >As I recall, you wanted this cowling done and installed in record time. To
> >help things along, to comply with your wishes, I used my plane to do
> all of
> >the initial fitting of the cowling. All of the work trimming was already
> >done when you got here. Your cowling fit great on my plane.
> >
> >
> >
> >I jeopardized my relationship with the FAA in order to get your 3
> blade prop
> >approved along with getting the airbox approved because I thought we were
> >friends. They wanted a complete flight test to show the 3 bladed prop had
> >no adverse interactions with the cowling. I called in a lot of favors and
> >made a lot of promises to get your plane approved and finished as
> quickly as
> >I did because I thought we were friends.
> >
> >
> >
> >I can get the cowling painted anywhere for $500 or less. I deducted $1000
> >from the installed price because you said you didn't want it painted. I
> >gave you a good deal because I thought we were friends. And then you
> pissed
> >and moaned about a $5 cam-loc you wanted replaced. And you wanted a
> >different right forward baffle so I gave you one. I gave you a baffle that
> >cost me $35 to have made. And then you had the balls to whine about a
> >cam-loc? Seriously, getting upset because you didn't get the $5
> cam-loc you
> >wanted????
> >
> >
> >
> >And the ONLY thanks I got from you was a report saying I forgot to tighten
> >the plug leads (not, Gary was so stressed getting my plane back together
> >that he forgot to tighten the plug leads), the plane was slower, and you
> >weren't happy with the results. Then, on top of that, you wanted me to
> sell
> >you another cowling at cost.
> >
> >
> >
> >Ned, nothing you've done or said since you left with the cowling has
> been or
> >sounded like something a friend of mine would have done.
> >
> >
> >
> >In comparison, I have another customer who has gone out of his way to work
> >with me when he wanted something done. If I don't have his plane ready, he
> >either waits or comes over to help get another plane done so I can work on
> >his. He has bought me $100 bottles of single malt scotch on more than one
> >occasion, brings gifts for Clytie when he comes to pick up his plane, and
> >gave me a $100 bonus because he said I didn't charge enough for the time I
> >put into his wheel pants. In return, I sold him an eyebrow for $100, given
> >him instrument panel overlays, and he will be getting the cowling from my
> >plane for $1000 when I get the new one Dave is making for me. This
> customer
> >has never asked for anything extra or asked if I can sell something to him
> >cheaper or asked for anything for free. Unlike another customer of
> mine who
> >comes in and loads up on bottled water from my refrigerator (putting it in
> >his plane while he waits for me to get the plane out of the hangar), he's
> >not a cheap bastard. He leaves $5 in the fridge if he takes some water. I
> >like working with him. He's honest and doesn't expect something for
> >nothing. I consider him my friend.
> >
> >
> >
> >I never posted that I HAVE reported you to the FAA.
> >
> >
> >
> >Gary
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >From: discover <923te@att.net <mailto:923te@att.net>>
> >To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com <mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 2:19:19 PM
> >Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
> >
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> >I just got a call from a friend who mentioned this post from Gary about my
> >Jaguar cowling. Really for the life of me I don't understand where you are
> >coming from Gary. I have absolutely no interest in manufacturing or
> >competing on a cowling. You've got to be kidding!
> >
> >My exit ramps look exactly the same as your pictures Gary.
> >Let me say that again, My cowl is the same as yours; the pictures look
> >EXACTLEY the same.
> >
> >I have made no modifications to the cowling.
> >
> >I am doing a repair by adding length to the trailing edge of the
> cowling so
> >that it can be aligned with the prop spinner. I don't believe am making it
> >any longer than it was in its pre-trimmed state. I am just trying to
> get it
> >properly aligned to my Tiger. Again I have made no modifications.
> >
> >If you had done a better job when you installed the cowling I would
> have had
> >no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine alignment as I ask you to do
> >before you installed the Jaguar? Would have saved a lot of grief.
> >
> >As to why my engine ran rough remember posting this Gary: "As for the plug
> >wires not being tight, OOPs"
> >
> >That's kinda how I was looking at the whole cowling experience with you
> >Gary....you just had a lot of oops...
> >
> >But your making false accusations about me to the FAA puts this on a whole
> >different level. Do you really want to go to war over this?
> >
> >I see the posts we put here last fall where we discussed the poor
> fitting of
> >the cowl have been removed. At least I cannot locate them here now.
> However,
> >I do have pictures of how it was installed and how it was a poor fit.
> I have
> >a copy of your emails wherein you agreed with me about this.
> >I'm sure my FSDO inspector will want to see all this information should it
> >actually go that far. Since you have made some kind of formal complaint to
> >the FAA perhaps I should as well?
> >
> >Please let me know if you want to make something of this or if you will
> >retract your false assertions to the FAA
> >
> >Gee Gary, I thought we were friends!
> >
> >When I flew home from your place with the new Jaguar cowl I found that it
> >did not cool any better
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling alignment controversy. |
Gary,
You did a nice job aligning the Jaguar cowl to a spinner that was out of alignment.
The engine was hanging down to the right.
The engine lined right up with the factory cowl when the left top engine mount
bolt was properly torqued.
Too bad you did not check and correct the alignment of the spinner before you started
installing the Jaguar cowl.
The plane has picked up a couple knots since the engine was aligned properly. Someday,
soon I hope, I will also have the Jaguar cowl in correct alignment and
it will not only fit properly but once again look as good as it does in your
pictures.
Following is a copy of my email to you after first seeing these pictures over a
year ago.:
----- Original Message -----
From: 923te
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:56 PM
Subject: Alignment
The spinner was down and to the right a bit on the alignment on the old cowl. Did
you have to remove a spacer from the top left to get the spinner centered on
the new cowl?
Looks like the gap between cowl and spinner is less than the old one was...that
would be good
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