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| Subject: | Re: Cooling exit ramp |
Looks cool to me... I'll start saving my pennies. :)
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
Almost anything you do will be insignificant=2C
but it is very important that you do it.
- Mohandas Gandhi
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
found it.
From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri=2C June 3=2C 2011 1:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Hi Steve=2C
Glad you like the eyebrow. I put my cowling on a 2-place. It looks pretty
funny. I have a picture in iPhoto=2C but I can't find it. I have over 7
=2C000 photos in there.
Gary
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Fri=2C June 3=2C 2011 11:58:07 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Hey Gary=2C I like your eyebrow. Looks great on my two place. If I bought y
our cowl could I make it fit my AA1 with a hacksaw=2C a grinder and some bo
ndo? ROFLOL
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
Almost anything you do will be insignificant=2C
but it is very important that you do it.
- Mohandas Gandhi
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
WHAT? you mean the sky isn't falling? Damn. And I was so sure it was.
From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed=2C June 1=2C 2011 10:21:42 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Actually I know both parties and I'm interested in the discussion.
This is an interesting new product in a very tough market. Anytime a new p
roduct comes the market it's bound to have growing pains. What makes the d
ifference is how the vender handles the issue. I also think it's important
to see customer feedback.
Gary can be flowery and dramatic sometimes that's just his style. Net is a
good guy=2C if a little high strung sometimes. At the end of the day they
are both good guys=2C I hope they work it out and everyone goes home happy
.
This is an open forum unlike the Levy gang where you get to hear Ron's opi
nion on everything weather you ask for it or not.
Kevin
Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net> wrote:
>I don't know either one of you and I don't understand why I should be
>interested in these personal vendettas between the two of you. Is this
>really material for a public forum? It certainly does not add any value to
>me as a Tiger owner. When I see certain posters on this list I usually
>automatically hit the delete button without opening the email. Kinda like
>dealing with spam.
>
>
>
>From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vog
t
>Sent: Tuesday=2C May 31=2C 2011 9:27 PM
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>
>Ned=2C
>
>
>
>If=2C as you say=2C your exit ramps look exactly like mine=2C why do you s
ay shit
>like "Try laying a straight edge on yours. I bet you'll find the same thin
g.
>If not then my cowl really has a lot more defects than I thought." I real
ly
>don't understand what your problem with the exit ramp is (or was). The
>bottom of the ramp is fabricated flat (with some curvature to conform to t
he
>cowling). The cowling has it's own ramp. The two are faired together whe
n
>they are joined. It's pretty obvious.
>
>
>
>Here we go again "If you had done a better job when you installed the
>cowling I would have had no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine
>alignment as I ask you to do before you installed the Jaguar? Would have
>saved a lot of grief." OK=2C Ned=2C just what did you want me to align it
to?
>
>
>
>As I recall=2C you wanted this cowling done and installed in record time.
To
>help things along=2C to comply with your wishes=2C I used my plane to do a
ll of
>the initial fitting of the cowling. All of the work trimming was already
>done when you got here. Your cowling fit great on my plane.
>
>
>
>I jeopardized my relationship with the FAA in order to get your 3 blade pr
op
>approved along with getting the airbox approved because I thought we were
>friends. They wanted a complete flight test to show the 3 bladed prop had
>no adverse interactions with the cowling. I called in a lot of favors and
>made a lot of promises to get your plane approved and finished as quickly
as
>I did because I thought we were friends.
>
>
>
>I can get the cowling painted anywhere for $500 or less. I deducted $1000
>from the installed price because you said you didn't want it painted. I
>gave you a good deal because I thought we were friends. And then you piss
ed
>and moaned about a $5 cam-loc you wanted replaced. And you wanted a
>different right forward baffle so I gave you one. I gave you a baffle tha
t
>cost me $35 to have made. And then you had the balls to whine about a
>cam-loc? Seriously=2C getting upset because you didn't get the $5 cam-loc
you
>wanted????
>
>
>
>And the ONLY thanks I got from you was a report saying I forgot to tighten
>the plug leads (not=2C Gary was so stressed getting my plane back together
>that he forgot to tighten the plug leads)=2C the plane was slower=2C and y
ou
>weren't happy with the results. Then=2C on top of that=2C you wanted me t
o sell
>you another cowling at cost.
>
>
>
>Ned=2C nothing you've done or said since you left with the cowling has bee
n or
>sounded like something a friend of mine would have done.
>
>
>
>In comparison=2C I have another customer who has gone out of his way to wo
rk
>with me when he wanted something done. If I don't have his plane ready=2C
he
>either waits or comes over to help get another plane done so I can work on
>his. He has bought me $100 bottles of single malt scotch on more than one
>occasion=2C brings gifts for Clytie when he comes to pick up his plane=2C
and
>gave me a $100 bonus because he said I didn't charge enough for the time I
>put into his wheel pants. In return=2C I sold him an eyebrow for $100=2C
given
>him instrument panel overlays=2C and he will be getting the cowling from m
y
>plane for $1000 when I get the new one Dave is making for me. This custom
er
>has never asked for anything extra or asked if I can sell something to him
>cheaper or asked for anything for free. Unlike another customer of mine w
ho
>comes in and loads up on bottled water from my refrigerator (putting it in
>his plane while he waits for me to get the plane out of the hangar)=2C he'
s
>not a cheap bastard. He leaves $5 in the fridge if he takes some water.
I
>like working with him. He's honest and doesn't expect something for
>nothing. I consider him my friend.
>
>
>
>I never posted that I HAVE reported you to the FAA.
>
>
>
>Gary
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: discover <923te@att.net>
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue=2C May 31=2C 2011 2:19:19 PM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>I just got a call from a friend who mentioned this post from Gary about my
>Jaguar cowling. Really for the life of me I don't understand where you are
>coming from Gary. I have absolutely no interest in manufacturing or
>competing on a cowling. You've got to be kidding!
>
>My exit ramps look exactly the same as your pictures Gary.
>Let me say that again=2C My cowl is the same as yours=3B the pictures look
>EXACTLEY the same.
>
>I have made no modifications to the cowling.
>
>I am doing a repair by adding length to the trailing edge of the cowling s
o
>that it can be aligned with the prop spinner. I don't believe am making it
>any longer than it was in its pre-trimmed state. I am just trying to get i
t
>properly aligned to my Tiger. Again I have made no modifications.
>
>If you had done a better job when you installed the cowling I would have h
ad
>no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine alignment as I ask you to do
>before you installed the Jaguar? Would have saved a lot of grief.
>
>As to why my engine ran rough remember posting this Gary: "As for the plug
>wires not being tight=2C OOPs"
>
>That's kinda how I was looking at the whole cowling experience with you
>Gary....you just had a lot of oops...
>
>But your making false accusations about me to the FAA puts this on a whole
>different level. Do you really want to go to war over this?
>
>I see the posts we put here last fall where we discussed the poor fitting
of
>the cowl have been removed. At least I cannot locate them here now. Howeve
r=2C
>I do have pictures of how it was installed and how it was a poor fit. I ha
ve
>a copy of your emails wherein you agreed with me about this.
>I'm sure my FSDO inspector will want to see all this information should it
>actually go that far. Since you have made some kind of formal complaint to
>the FAA perhaps I should as well?
>
>Please let me know if you want to make something of this or if you will
>retract your false assertions to the FAA
>
>Gee Gary=2C I thought we were friends!
>
>When I flew home from your place with the new Jaguar cowl I found that it
>did not cool any better
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling exit ramp |
Looks like it will need about a 12" prop extension. Modernized shades of
Ken Blackman's AA-1C "Snout".
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 9:39 am
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Looks cool to me... I'll start saving my pennies. :)
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
Almost anything you do will be insignificant,
but it is very important that you do it.
- Mohandas Gandhi
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
found it.
From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 1:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Hi Steve,
Glad you like the eyebrow. I put my cowling on a 2-place. It looks prett
y funny. I have a picture in iPhoto, but I can't find it. I have over 7,
000 photos in there.
Gary
From: Steve Roberts <aa1bflyboy@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 11:58:07 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Hey Gary, I like your eyebrow. Looks great on my two place. If I bought yo
ur cowl could I make it fit my AA1 with a hacksaw, a grinder and some bond
o? ROFLOL
Steve Roberts
AA1B - 641HY @ ILG
AYA Region 2 Director/Forum Admin
Almost anything you do will be insignificant,
but it is very important that you do it.
- Mohandas Gandhi
From: teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
WHAT? you mean the sky isn't falling? Damn. And I was so sure it was.
From: Airport Bum <aa5_driver@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:21:42 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
Actually I know both parties and I'm interested in the discussion.
This is an interesting new product in a very tough market. Anytime a new
product comes the market it's bound to have growing pains. What makes th
e difference is how the vender handles the issue. I also think it's impor
tant to see customer feedback.
Gary can be flowery and dramatic sometimes that's just his style. Net is
a good guy, if a little high strung sometimes. At the end of the day the
y are both good guys, I hope they work it out and everyone goes home happy
.
This is an open forum unlike the Levy gang where you get to hear Ron's op
inion on everything weather you ask for it or not.
Kevin
Scott Boyce <tscott165@cableone.net> wrote:
>I don't know either one of you and I don't understand why I should be
>interested in these personal vendettas between the two of you. Is this
>really material for a public forum? It certainly does not add any value
to
>me as a Tiger owner. When I see certain posters on this list I usually
>automatically hit the delete button without opening the email. Kinda like
>dealing with spam.
>
>
>
>From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vo
gt
>Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:27 PM
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>
>Ned,
>
>
>
>If, as you say, your exit ramps look exactly like mine, why do you say sh
it
>like "Try laying a straight edge on yours. I bet you'll find the same thi
ng.
>If not then my cowl really has a lot more defects than I thought." I rea
lly
>don't understand what your problem with the exit ramp is (or was). The
>bottom of the ramp is fabricated flat (with some curvature to conform to
the
>cowling). The cowling has it's own ramp. The two are faired together wh
en
>they are joined. It's pretty obvious.
>
>
>
>Here we go again "If you had done a better job when you installed the
>cowling I would have had no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine
>alignment as I ask you to do before you installed the Jaguar? Would have
>saved a lot of grief." OK, Ned, just what did you want me to align it to
?
>
>
>
>As I recall, you wanted this cowling done and installed in record time.
To
>help things along, to comply with your wishes, I used my plane to do all
of
>the initial fitting of the cowling. All of the work trimming was already
>done when you got here. Your cowling fit great on my plane.
>
>
>
>I jeopardized my relationship with the FAA in order to get your 3 blade
prop
>approved along with getting the airbox approved because I thought we were
>friends. They wanted a complete flight test to show the 3 bladed prop ha
d
>no adverse interactions with the cowling. I called in a lot of favors an
d
>made a lot of promises to get your plane approved and finished as quickly
as
>I did because I thought we were friends.
>
>
>
>I can get the cowling painted anywhere for $500 or less. I deducted $100
0
>from the installed price because you said you didn't want it painted. I
>gave you a good deal because I thought we were friends. And then you pis
sed
>and moaned about a $5 cam-loc you wanted replaced. And you wanted a
>different right forward baffle so I gave you one. I gave you a baffle th
at
>cost me $35 to have made. And then you had the balls to whine about a
>cam-loc? Seriously, getting upset because you didn't get the $5 cam-loc
you
>wanted????
>
>
>
>And the ONLY thanks I got from you was a report saying I forgot to tighte
n
>the plug leads (not, Gary was so stressed getting my plane back together
>that he forgot to tighten the plug leads), the plane was slower, and you
>weren't happy with the results. Then, on top of that, you wanted me to
sell
>you another cowling at cost.
>
>
>
>Ned, nothing you've done or said since you left with the cowling has been
or
>sounded like something a friend of mine would have done.
>
>
>
>In comparison, I have another customer who has gone out of his way to wor
k
>with me when he wanted something done. If I don't have his plane ready,
he
>either waits or comes over to help get another plane done so I can work
on
>his. He has bought me $100 bottles of single malt scotch on more than on
e
>occasion, brings gifts for Clytie when he comes to pick up his plane, and
>gave me a $100 bonus because he said I didn't charge enough for the time
I
>put into his wheel pants. In return, I sold him an eyebrow for $100, giv
en
>him instrument panel overlays, and he will be getting the cowling from my
>plane for $1000 when I get the new one Dave is making for me. This custo
mer
>has never asked for anything extra or asked if I can sell something to hi
m
>cheaper or asked for anything for free. Unlike another customer of mine
who
>comes in and loads up on bottled water from my refrigerator (putting it
in
>his plane while he waits for me to get the plane out of the hangar), he's
>not a cheap bastard. He leaves $5 in the fridge if he takes some water.
I
>like working with him. He's honest and doesn't expect something for
>nothing. I consider him my friend.
>
>
>
>I never posted that I HAVE reported you to the FAA.
>
>
>
>Gary
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: discover <923te@att.net>
>To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 2:19:19 PM
>Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Cooling exit ramp
>
>
>I just got a call from a friend who mentioned this post from Gary about
my
>Jaguar cowling. Really for the life of me I don't understand where you ar
e
>coming from Gary. I have absolutely no interest in manufacturing or
>competing on a cowling. You've got to be kidding!
>
>My exit ramps look exactly the same as your pictures Gary.
>Let me say that again, My cowl is the same as yours; the pictures look
>EXACTLEY the same.
>
>I have made no modifications to the cowling.
>
>I am doing a repair by adding length to the trailing edge of the cowling
so
>that it can be aligned with the prop spinner. I don't believe am making
it
>any longer than it was in its pre-trimmed state. I am just trying to get
it
>properly aligned to my Tiger. Again I have made no modifications.
>
>If you had done a better job when you installed the cowling I would have
had
>no squawks. Why didn't you check the engine alignment as I ask you to do
>before you installed the Jaguar? Would have saved a lot of grief.
>
>As to why my engine ran rough remember posting this Gary: "As for the plu
g
>wires not being tight, OOPs"
>
>That's kinda how I was looking at the whole cowling experience with you
>Gary....you just had a lot of oops...
>
>But your making false accusations about me to the FAA puts this on a whol
e
>different level. Do you really want to go to war over this?
>
>I see the posts we put here last fall where we discussed the poor fitting
of
>the cowl have been removed. At least I cannot locate them here now. Howev
er,
>I do have pictures of how it was installed and how it was a poor fit. I
have
>a copy of your emails wherein you agreed with me about this.
>I'm sure my FSDO inspector will want to see all this information should
it
>actually go that far. Since you have made some kind of formal complaint
to
>the FAA perhaps I should as well?
>
>Please let me know if you want to make something of this or if you will
>retract your false assertions to the FAA
>
>Gee Gary, I thought we were friends!
>
>When I flew home from your place with the new Jaguar cowl I found that it
>did not cool any better
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