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1. 12:12 AM - Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A (Lee Verrone)
2. 02:34 AM - Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A (Deems Herring)
3. 05:44 AM - Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A (flyv35b)
4. 10:17 AM - Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A (Gary Vogt)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A (Gary Vogt)
6. 12:08 PM - Jaguar cowl installation notes on Bondline (b v)
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| Subject: | Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A |
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| Subject: | AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A |
The AD must be completed . Service bulletins are never mandatory for part
91 operations. The AD reference to the SB is simply giving you an acceptabl
e way to
accomplish the requirements of the AD. As always you can apply for permissi
on to use an alternative method of compliance and if approved you would nev
er be required to perform the actions in the SB. Only the FAA can make acti
ons mandatory. Whether it is prudent to perform SB 185A on a repetitive bas
is is a different question.
Deems
teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A
Did this go out to the TeamGrumman-list? I thought someone would have a co
mment.
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| Subject: | Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A |
I agree. The AD is NOT recurring. If it was performed properly and the
wing spar clearance is correct and/or was shimmed properly if needed
then that doesn't change and the only thing beneficial would be to check
the spar bolt torque to see if they are secure. There have been some
bolt failures, possibly due to loose fitting wing spars which worked
back and forth and apparently loaded the bolts causing fatigue failure.
And of course bolts could have been over torqued. The AD came about
after American General replaced a bunch of wings that were hail damaged
at the factory sitting outside. Draw your own conclusions.
Cliff
On 6/11/2011 2:31 AM, Deems Herring wrote:
> The AD must be completed . Service bulletins are never mandatory for
> part 91 operations. The AD reference to the SB is simply giving you an
> acceptable way to
> accomplish the requirements of the AD. As always you can apply for
> permission to use an alternative method of compliance and if approved
> you would never be required to perform the actions in the SB. Only the
> FAA can make actions mandatory. Whether it is prudent to perform SB 185A
> on a repetitive basis is a different question.
>
> Deems
>
> teamgrumman@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:50:30 -0700
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>
> Did this go out to the TeamGrumman-list? I thought someone wouldhave a
> comment.
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| Subject: | Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A |
Thanks Deems,
But, I think you missed the point.
The AD only references SB-185 regarding checking the bolts with respect to
plating, scoring, clearances, etc. It's a non-recurring AD.
The SB, in their compliance, says to check every 500 hours.
________________________________
From: Deems Herring <dsleepy47@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, June 11, 2011 2:31:14 AM
Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A
The AD must be completed . Service bulletins are never mandatory for part 91
operations. The AD reference to the SB is simply giving you an acceptable way
to
accomplish the requirements of the AD. As always you can apply for permission to
use an alternative method of compliance and if approved you would never be
required to perform the actions in the SB. Only the FAA can make actions
mandatory. Whether it is prudent to perform SB 185A on a repetitive basis is a
different question.
Deems
teamgrumman@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A
Did this go out to the TeamGrumman-list? I thought someone would have a
comment.
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| Subject: | Re: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A |
the plane I checked had 500 hours since the installing new bolts. I mic'd the
bolts with a digital mic that goes to .0001. I compared them to new bolts.
Even without the cad plating, the bolts measured the same.
Maybe someone should ask Ron.
________________________________
From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Sat, June 11, 2011 5:41:44 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A
I agree. The AD is NOT recurring. If it was performed properly and the wing
spar clearance is correct and/or was shimmed properly if needed then that
doesn't change and the only thing beneficial would be to check the spar bolt
torque to see if they are secure. There have been some bolt failures, possibly
due to loose fitting wing spars which worked back and forth and apparently
loaded the bolts causing fatigue failure. And of course bolts could have been
over torqued. The AD came about after American General replaced a bunch of
wings that were hail damaged at the factory sitting outside. Draw your own
conclusions.
Cliff
On 6/11/2011 2:31 AM, Deems Herring wrote:
> The AD must be completed . Service bulletins are never mandatory for
> part 91 operations. The AD reference to the SB is simply giving you an
> acceptable way to
> accomplish the requirements of the AD. As always you can apply for
> permission to use an alternative method of compliance and if approved
> you would never be required to perform the actions in the SB. Only the
> FAA can make actions mandatory. Whether it is prudent to perform SB 185A
> on a repetitive basis is a different question.
>
> Deems
>
> teamgrumman@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AD 95-19-15 R1 and SB-185A
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:50:30 -0700
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>
> Did this go out to the TeamGrumman-list? I thought someone wouldhave a
> comment.
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>
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| Subject: | Jaguar cowl installation notes on Bondline |
Hi Gary,
thank you for help with color codes. I looked in my log books and didn't find any
record of any paint job, so I still think that it's the original paint. The
blue colors have plenty of chips and nicks but somehow they look fresher and
shinier then the white. I will take better pictures and will check if somebody
on GG will recognize the colors. If not, I will have to trust the paint shop
guy.
I have put 2 spacers on the top right mount and 2 spacers on the bottom right mount.
The left mounts have one spacer each.
I started saving my installation notes on Bondline:
http://www.bondline.org/wiki/Installing_AuCountry_Jaguar_Cowl_on_my_AA5-B
When you get a chance, please take a look. I would like to know what you think.
Thank you,
-Boris
> Time: 07:55:37 PM PST US
> From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: paint code question for
> Jaguar cowl
>
> Hi Boris,
>
If the white is still the original 817U, it will buff out nicely. Odds are, if
the blue is still shiny, it's been repainted.
The colors on the 70's era Grummans are RM Centauri Acrylic Enamel.It's not baked
on.
Also, the colors are not custom colors. The orange, for example, is the orange
from a 73 Volkswagon. The metallic brown is from a Dodge or Plymouth of around
the same year. I'm sure if you take your ELT cover to an automotive paint store
and try to match paint colors from 73 on, you'll find yours.
Also, DuPont has totally revised the paint codes for paint sold in California.
So, the numbers may not match up. Most paint stores have the old codes though.
So, tell us, how's the installation going? How many shims on the engine mounts
did you need?
Gary
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