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1. 11:10 AM - Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes (BILL9725@AOL.COM)
2. 11:38 AM - Re: Jaguar Cowl Rear Baffles question (Gary Vogt)
3. 11:43 AM - Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes (Gary Vogt)
4. 12:19 PM - Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes (BILL9725@AOL.COM)
5. 08:08 PM - Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes (b v)
6. 11:26 PM - Re: Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes ()
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| Subject: | Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes |
Hi
I have been using a Challenger filter on my Tiger (75), for last 4 years
and it does make a difference, as Gary says, mileage does vary, but on a
run-out 0 360 it raised the full throttle ceiling from 8000 per the manual to
closer to 9000 ft on the same day so it does breath better. As a long time
user of the same filters in my car, Flow master, they do actually give more
air volume, and also as Gary says probably make the unbalance of our
intake even worse! On a new 0 360 I can say that the Challenger may even help
more, even at 14,000 it still has throttle left. Of course when I can
afford Gary`s wonder I will be in heaven!
Bill
In a message dated 7/3/2011 10:34:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bvnj@yahoo.com writes:
Guys,
My Brakett air filter bottom pie pan has several holes in it. Please see
the picture. They don't make sense to me because I think that they let
unfiltered air into the carb. Are those holes supposed to be there? Why?
A related subject. Is challenger filter installed with pie pans? Does it
come with it's own pans or is one supposed to reuse the original ones? Does
anybody have experience with challenger on 78 tiger? It looks like it may
not be a good fit:
http://m831.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20tiger/airmaster1/Chall
enger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg.html?o=0
Thank you,
Boris.
On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:22 PM, bvnj@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> My cabin heat scat tube has a splitter. 3 inch line goes to exhaust pipe
shroud and a 1inch line used to go to nose bowl diaphragm to supply fresh
air. Do you know what it is for? My guess is that without it the hot air is
too hot and it could damage the plastic defroster vents and maybe even
windshield.
> I don't see where does this 1 inch line connects to now. Where have you
been connecting it to?
>
> Thank you,
> -Boris
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| Subject: | Re: Jaguar Cowl Rear Baffles question |
Hi Boris,
Q1: Yes, they don't line up exactly. I don't have a good pic on the mock-up of
the baffles to share, but, they only miss by a little. The baffle seals go on
the back side. The baffles will fit against the bracket already on the engine.
I'll get a better pic.
Q2: see Q1.
Q3: There should be about 1/2 inch gap on all the baffles. The left rear inner
baffle changes were not yet approved so you go the original 'trim-to-fit' baffle
for both the inner and outer left rear.
Q4: The preparation on the baffles is an etch an alodine. It adds to the cost,
yes, but, it makes a lot better looking and longer lasting part. You can leave
it as is or have it powder coated. It will cost about $100 to have them powder
coated. If you paint it, it will still scratch easily and not last as long as
powder coating.
Just a note: when installing the baffles, after powder coating and baffle
seals, put a thin coat of RTV 732 on the mating surface. Remember, the short
baffle (on the cylinders) always goes on top of the longer baffle.
________________________________
From: b v <bvnj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 8:15:43 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar Cowl Rear Baffles question
Hi Gary,
I am not sure I am instlling the rear baffles 550400-6 and 550400-3 where they
join under the hinge. The original right baffle had a step in it and they both
were joined and bolted to the bracket that is attached to the two top bolts of
the accessory case.(part 5502012-11).
Q 1: The Jaguar Cowl install manual doesn't mention it, but I imagine the the
rear baffles are still attached to this bracked, arent' they?
Jaguar rear baffles don't have a step so when I try to connect them and attach
them to the bracket, I need to bend them, the right one more than the left one.
If I do so, they are slanted at an angle in the relationship to the accessory
case flange and the right one is bent back, which is probably not good for
smooth air flow.
Another option would be to make another bracket that would serve as a step,
similar to the step in original baffle.
Q 2: How have you been installing those baffles, slanted or with another bracket
or some other way?
Q 3: How much space should there be between the baffles and the hinge
horizontally and vertically - 1/2 inch, like everywhere else? Mine have no space
right now and I just want to make sure before cutting.
Q 4: On the pictures in the manual it looks like your baffles are painted. I am
guessing you had mine etched and alodined before you sent them, right? Can I
leave them as is or do they have to be painted? What kind of paint? From a can
from auto parts store?
Thank you,
-Boris
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| Subject: | Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes |
Bill,
If you have a 4 cylinder EGT/CHT, particularly a fast responding JPI, if you
could, get a stock air filter and do some independent testing on the filters.
Gary
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From: "BILL9725@AOL.COM" <BILL9725@AOL.COM>
Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 11:06:24 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes
Hi
I have been using a Challenger filter on my Tiger (75), for last 4 years and it
does make a difference, as Gary says, mileage does vary, but on a run-out 0 360
it raised the full throttle ceiling from 8000 per the manual to closer to 9000
ft on the same day so it does breath better. As a long time user of the same
filters in my car, Flow master, they do actually give more air volume, and also
as Gary says probably make the unbalance of our intake even worse! On a new 0
360 I can say that the Challenger may even help more, even at 14,000 it still
has throttle left. Of course when I can afford Gary`s wonder I will be in
heaven!
Bill
In a message dated 7/3/2011 10:34:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bvnj@yahoo.com
writes:
Guys,
>
>My Brakett air filter bottom pie pan has several holes in it. Please see the
>picture. They don't make sense to me because I think that they let
>unfiltered air into the carb. Are those holes supposed to be there? Why?
>
>A related subject. Is challenger filter installed with pie pans? Does it come
>with it's own pans or is one supposed to reuse the original ones? Does
>anybody have experience with challenger on 78 tiger? It looks like it may
>not be a good fit:
>
>http://m831.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20tiger/airmaster1/Challenger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg.html?o=0
>
>
>Thank you,
>Boris.
>
>On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:22 PM, bvnj@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Gary,
>>
>> My cabin heat scat tube has a splitter. 3 inch line goes to exhaust pipe
>>shroud and a 1inch line used to go to nose bowl diaphragm to supply fresh
>>air. Do you know what it is for? My guess is that without it the hot air is
>>too hot and it could damage the plastic defroster vents and maybe even
>>windshield.
>>
>> I don't see where does this 1 inch line connects to now. Where have you been
>>connecting it to?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> -Boris
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes |
Hi Gary
I do have a JIP 4 cylinder and did run some tests on it when we put the new
engine in, but don`t have the data anymore, best I could remember was the
CHT went up on all cylinders, but EGT went down, I assumed due to different
flow patterns. But a note here also installed a fine mixture adjustment
then and that may have contributed to the different patterns also. You have
a good idea and I will see if I still have the original filter in Hanger
and if so will do some tests. Best I could saw was with original motor, 2200
hrs, it ran a lot stronger with the Bracket, but no JIP then so hard to
say.
Will have to do some new tests just for fun though, do you have a stock
filter lying around in case I discarded my old one. Great reason for
visiting Auburn again.
Thanks
Bill
In a message dated 7/4/2011 11:44:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
teamgrumman@yahoo.com writes:
Bill,
If you have a 4 cylinder EGT/CHT, particularly a fast responding JPI, if
you could, get a stock air filter and do some independent testing on the
filters.
Gary
____________________________________
From: "BILL9725@AOL.COM" <BILL9725@AOL.COM>
Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 11:06:24 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes
Hi
I have been using a Challenger filter on my Tiger (75), for last 4 years
and it does make a difference, as Gary says, mileage does vary, but on a
run-out 0 360 it raised the full throttle ceiling from 8000 per the manual to
closer to 9000 ft on the same day so it does breath better. As a long time
user of the same filters in my car, Flow master, they do actually give
more air volume, and also as Gary says probably make the unbalance of our
intake even worse! On a new 0 360 I can say that the Challenger may even help
more, even at 14,000 it still has throttle left. Of course when I can
afford Gary`s wonder I will be in heaven!
Bill
In a message dated 7/3/2011 10:34:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bvnj@yahoo.com writes:
Guys,
My Brakett air filter bottom pie pan has several holes in it. Please see
the picture. They don't make sense to me because I think that they let
unfiltered air into the carb. Are those holes supposed to be there? Why?
A related subject. Is challenger filter installed with pie pans? Does it
come with it's own pans or is one supposed to reuse the original ones? Does
anybody have experience with challenger on 78 tiger? It looks like it may
not be a good fit:
_http://m831.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20tiger/airmaster1/Chal
lenger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg.html?o=0_
(http://m831.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20tiger/airmaster1/Challenger%20VS%2
0Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg.html?o=0)
Thank you,
Boris.
On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:22 PM, bvnj@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> My cabin heat scat tube has a splitter. 3 inch line goes to exhaust pipe
shroud and a 1inch line used to go to nose bowl diaphragm to supply fresh
air. Do you know what it is for? My guess is that without it the hot air is
too hot and it could damage the plastic defroster vents and maybe even
windshield.
> I don't see where does this 1 inch line connects to now. Where have you
been connecting it to?
>
> Thank you,
> -Boris
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| Subject: | Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes |
Thanks for all the answers, but a couple of questions are remaining:
1. does the Chalenger filter use an aluminum plates, which David Fletcher calls
"pie pans"?
2. if it does, does it come with new ones or is one supposed to reuse the old ones
from Brakett filter?
3. David Fletcher on his web site suggests that they don't fit well in
77 to 79 Tiger airbox. Does anybody have a Chalenger filter on a 77 to 79 Tiger?
What is your experience? A little tight squeeze or a horrible struggle every
time?
(http://media.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20installation%20in%20tiger/airmaster1/Challenger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg?o=1)
Thank you,
-Boris
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| Subject: | Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes |
I use a Challenger filter in my Converted Cheetah. It is a 76 model, but do
not know what year the airbox is .No pie plate, just slides in the airbox.
Just recharge it every annual with a kit you can buy at Wall mart. Actually,
you can buy the whole filter at Wall Mart, K&N filter for a Slant Six
Chrysler product, around 1976. I think a Dodge Dart will work.. About 24
bucks, but no STC.!
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From: "b v" <bvnj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 11:05 PM
Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes
>
> Thanks for all the answers, but a couple of questions are remaining:
>
> 1. does the Chalenger filter use an aluminum plates, which David Fletcher
> calls "pie pans"?
> 2. if it does, does it come with new ones or is one supposed to reuse the
> old ones from Brakett filter?
> 3. David Fletcher on his web site suggests that they don't fit well in
> 77 to 79 Tiger airbox. Does anybody have a Chalenger filter on a 77 to 79
> Tiger? What is your experience? A little tight squeeze or a horrible
> struggle every time?
>
> (http://media.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20installation%20in%20tiger/airmaster1/Challenger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg?o=1)
>
> Thank you,
> -Boris
>
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