---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/04/11: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:10 AM - Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes (BILL9725@AOL.COM) 2. 11:38 AM - Re: Jaguar Cowl Rear Baffles question (Gary Vogt) 3. 11:43 AM - Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes (Gary Vogt) 4. 12:19 PM - Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes (BILL9725@AOL.COM) 5. 08:08 PM - Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes (b v) 6. 11:26 PM - Re: Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:19 AM PST US From: BILL9725@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes Hi I have been using a Challenger filter on my Tiger (75), for last 4 years and it does make a difference, as Gary says, mileage does vary, but on a run-out 0 360 it raised the full throttle ceiling from 8000 per the manual to closer to 9000 ft on the same day so it does breath better. As a long time user of the same filters in my car, Flow master, they do actually give more air volume, and also as Gary says probably make the unbalance of our intake even worse! On a new 0 360 I can say that the Challenger may even help more, even at 14,000 it still has throttle left. Of course when I can afford Gary`s wonder I will be in heaven! Bill In a message dated 7/3/2011 10:34:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bvnj@yahoo.com writes: Guys, My Brakett air filter bottom pie pan has several holes in it. Please see the picture. They don't make sense to me because I think that they let unfiltered air into the carb. Are those holes supposed to be there? Why? A related subject. Is challenger filter installed with pie pans? Does it come with it's own pans or is one supposed to reuse the original ones? Does anybody have experience with challenger on 78 tiger? It looks like it may not be a good fit: http://m831.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20tiger/airmaster1/Chall enger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg.html?o=0 Thank you, Boris. On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:22 PM, bvnj@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Gary, > > My cabin heat scat tube has a splitter. 3 inch line goes to exhaust pipe shroud and a 1inch line used to go to nose bowl diaphragm to supply fresh air. Do you know what it is for? My guess is that without it the hot air is too hot and it could damage the plastic defroster vents and maybe even windshield. > I don't see where does this 1 inch line connects to now. Where have you been connecting it to? > > Thank you, > -Boris (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:19 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar Cowl Rear Baffles question Hi Boris, Q1: Yes, they don't line up exactly. I don't have a good pic on the mock-up of the baffles to share, but, they only miss by a little. The baffle seals go on the back side. The baffles will fit against the bracket already on the engine. I'll get a better pic. Q2: see Q1. Q3: There should be about 1/2 inch gap on all the baffles. The left rear inner baffle changes were not yet approved so you go the original 'trim-to-fit' baffle for both the inner and outer left rear. Q4: The preparation on the baffles is an etch an alodine. It adds to the cost, yes, but, it makes a lot better looking and longer lasting part. You can leave it as is or have it powder coated. It will cost about $100 to have them powder coated. If you paint it, it will still scratch easily and not last as long as powder coating. Just a note: when installing the baffles, after powder coating and baffle seals, put a thin coat of RTV 732 on the mating surface. Remember, the short baffle (on the cylinders) always goes on top of the longer baffle. ________________________________ From: b v Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 8:15:43 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Jaguar Cowl Rear Baffles question Hi Gary, I am not sure I am instlling the rear baffles 550400-6 and 550400-3 where they join under the hinge. The original right baffle had a step in it and they both were joined and bolted to the bracket that is attached to the two top bolts of the accessory case.(part 5502012-11). Q 1: The Jaguar Cowl install manual doesn't mention it, but I imagine the the rear baffles are still attached to this bracked, arent' they? Jaguar rear baffles don't have a step so when I try to connect them and attach them to the bracket, I need to bend them, the right one more than the left one. If I do so, they are slanted at an angle in the relationship to the accessory case flange and the right one is bent back, which is probably not good for smooth air flow. Another option would be to make another bracket that would serve as a step, similar to the step in original baffle. Q 2: How have you been installing those baffles, slanted or with another bracket or some other way? Q 3: How much space should there be between the baffles and the hinge horizontally and vertically - 1/2 inch, like everywhere else? Mine have no space right now and I just want to make sure before cutting. Q 4: On the pictures in the manual it looks like your baffles are painted. I am guessing you had mine etched and alodined before you sent them, right? Can I leave them as is or do they have to be painted? What kind of paint? From a can from auto parts store? Thank you, -Boris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:30 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes Bill, If you have a 4 cylinder EGT/CHT, particularly a fast responding JPI, if you could, get a stock air filter and do some independent testing on the filters. Gary ________________________________ From: "BILL9725@AOL.COM" Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 11:06:24 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes Hi I have been using a Challenger filter on my Tiger (75), for last 4 years and it does make a difference, as Gary says, mileage does vary, but on a run-out 0 360 it raised the full throttle ceiling from 8000 per the manual to closer to 9000 ft on the same day so it does breath better. As a long time user of the same filters in my car, Flow master, they do actually give more air volume, and also as Gary says probably make the unbalance of our intake even worse! On a new 0 360 I can say that the Challenger may even help more, even at 14,000 it still has throttle left. Of course when I can afford Gary`s wonder I will be in heaven! Bill In a message dated 7/3/2011 10:34:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bvnj@yahoo.com writes: Guys, > >My Brakett air filter bottom pie pan has several holes in it. Please see the >picture. They don't make sense to me because I think that they let >unfiltered air into the carb. Are those holes supposed to be there? Why? > >A related subject. Is challenger filter installed with pie pans? Does it come >with it's own pans or is one supposed to reuse the original ones? Does >anybody have experience with challenger on 78 tiger? It looks like it may >not be a good fit: > >http://m831.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20tiger/airmaster1/Challenger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg.html?o=0 > > >Thank you, >Boris. > >On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:22 PM, bvnj@yahoo.com wrote: > >> Hi Gary, >> >> My cabin heat scat tube has a splitter. 3 inch line goes to exhaust pipe >>shroud and a 1inch line used to go to nose bowl diaphragm to supply fresh >>air. Do you know what it is for? My guess is that without it the hot air is >>too hot and it could damage the plastic defroster vents and maybe even >>windshield. >> >> I don't see where does this 1 inch line connects to now. Where have you been >>connecting it to? >> >> Thank you, >> -Boris > > >http://www.matronics.com/contribution=========== > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:49 PM PST US From: BILL9725@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes Hi Gary I do have a JIP 4 cylinder and did run some tests on it when we put the new engine in, but don`t have the data anymore, best I could remember was the CHT went up on all cylinders, but EGT went down, I assumed due to different flow patterns. But a note here also installed a fine mixture adjustment then and that may have contributed to the different patterns also. You have a good idea and I will see if I still have the original filter in Hanger and if so will do some tests. Best I could saw was with original motor, 2200 hrs, it ran a lot stronger with the Bracket, but no JIP then so hard to say. Will have to do some new tests just for fun though, do you have a stock filter lying around in case I discarded my old one. Great reason for visiting Auburn again. Thanks Bill In a message dated 7/4/2011 11:44:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, teamgrumman@yahoo.com writes: Bill, If you have a 4 cylinder EGT/CHT, particularly a fast responding JPI, if you could, get a stock air filter and do some independent testing on the filters. Gary ____________________________________ From: "BILL9725@AOL.COM" Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 11:06:24 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes Hi I have been using a Challenger filter on my Tiger (75), for last 4 years and it does make a difference, as Gary says, mileage does vary, but on a run-out 0 360 it raised the full throttle ceiling from 8000 per the manual to closer to 9000 ft on the same day so it does breath better. As a long time user of the same filters in my car, Flow master, they do actually give more air volume, and also as Gary says probably make the unbalance of our intake even worse! On a new 0 360 I can say that the Challenger may even help more, even at 14,000 it still has throttle left. Of course when I can afford Gary`s wonder I will be in heaven! Bill In a message dated 7/3/2011 10:34:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bvnj@yahoo.com writes: Guys, My Brakett air filter bottom pie pan has several holes in it. Please see the picture. They don't make sense to me because I think that they let unfiltered air into the carb. Are those holes supposed to be there? Why? A related subject. Is challenger filter installed with pie pans? Does it come with it's own pans or is one supposed to reuse the original ones? Does anybody have experience with challenger on 78 tiger? It looks like it may not be a good fit: _http://m831.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20tiger/airmaster1/Chal lenger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg.html?o=0_ (http://m831.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20tiger/airmaster1/Challenger%20VS%2 0Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg.html?o=0) Thank you, Boris. On Jul 2, 2011, at 2:22 PM, bvnj@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi Gary, > > My cabin heat scat tube has a splitter. 3 inch line goes to exhaust pipe shroud and a 1inch line used to go to nose bowl diaphragm to supply fresh air. Do you know what it is for? My guess is that without it the hot air is too hot and it could damage the plastic defroster vents and maybe even windshield. > I don't see where does this 1 inch line connects to now. Where have you been connecting it to? > > Thank you, > -Boris _http://www.matronics.com/contribution==_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution==) ========= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:20 PM PST US From: b v Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes Thanks for all the answers, but a couple of questions are remaining: 1. does the Chalenger filter use an aluminum plates, which David Fletcher calls "pie pans"? 2. if it does, does it come with new ones or is one supposed to reuse the old ones from Brakett filter? 3. David Fletcher on his web site suggests that they don't fit well in 77 to 79 Tiger airbox. Does anybody have a Chalenger filter on a 77 to 79 Tiger? What is your experience? A little tight squeeze or a horrible struggle every time? (http://media.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20installation%20in%20tiger/airmaster1/Challenger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg?o=1) Thank you, -Boris ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:19 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes I use a Challenger filter in my Converted Cheetah. It is a 76 model, but do not know what year the airbox is .No pie plate, just slides in the airbox. Just recharge it every annual with a kit you can buy at Wall mart. Actually, you can buy the whole filter at Wall Mart, K&N filter for a Slant Six Chrysler product, around 1976. I think a Dodge Dart will work.. About 24 bucks, but no STC.! -------------------------------------------------- From: "b v" Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: My Brakett air filter pie pan has holes > > Thanks for all the answers, but a couple of questions are remaining: > > 1. does the Chalenger filter use an aluminum plates, which David Fletcher > calls "pie pans"? > 2. if it does, does it come with new ones or is one supposed to reuse the > old ones from Brakett filter? > 3. David Fletcher on his web site suggests that they don't fit well in > 77 to 79 Tiger airbox. Does anybody have a Chalenger filter on a 77 to 79 > Tiger? What is your experience? A little tight squeeze or a horrible > struggle every time? > > (http://media.photobucket.com/image/improper%20filter%20installation%20in%20tiger/airmaster1/Challenger%20VS%20Brackett%20air%20filter/IMG_3783-1.jpg?o=1) > > Thank you, > -Boris > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 6120 (20110513) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6120 (20110513) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.