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1. 10:47 AM - Re: oil filter torque (Gary Vogt)
2. 11:23 AM - Re: oil filter torque (Mel Beckman)
3. 01:18 PM - Re: oil filter torque (flyv35b)
4. 11:11 PM - Re: oil filter torque (Gary Vogt)
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| Subject: | Re: oil filter torque |
I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my lead. I've
just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove. I'm sure 10
lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough.
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From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque
Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I don't
have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The problems
I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench and
tightens it much higher. You probably recall that the filter torque
used to be 18 lb.-ft. I assume that Champion thought that was to tight,
and I would agree, and so it was lowered.
Cliff
On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L Vogt<teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
>
> Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult.
>
> Gary
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
>
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b<flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>>
>> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.
>>
>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:
>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like.
>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was
>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: oil filter torque |
The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to
apply Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine
oil. You can buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks.
Engine oil eventually gets sticky when compressed, which increases
removal torque requirements. DC4's inert silica suspension is designed
to maintain lubrication properties for a much longer time, over a much
wider temperature range.
I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when
torqued to 18 ft-lbs.
-mel
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT)
Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my
>lead. I've
> just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove.
> I'm sure 10
> lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque
>
><flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>
> Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I
>don't
> have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The
>problems
> I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench
>and
> tightens it much higher. You probably recall that the filter torque
> used to be 18 lb.-ft. I assume that Champion thought that was to
>tight,
> and I would agree, and so it was lowered.
>
> Cliff
>
> On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L
>>Vogt<teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult.
>>
>> Gary
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
>>
>>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by:
>>>flyv35b<flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>>>
>>> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.
>>>
>>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:
>>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I
>>>>like.
>>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest
>>>>was
>>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: oil filter torque |
I have used DC-4 for years too and maybe that is why I have no trouble
removing them. A tube of it will last forever it seems.
Cliff
On 7/20/2011 11:20 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:
>
> The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to apply
> Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine oil.
> You can buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks. Engine
> oil eventually gets sticky when compressed, which increases removal
> torque requirements. DC4's inert silica suspension is designed to
> maintain lubrication properties for a much longer time, over a much
> wider temperature range.
>
> I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when torqued
> to 18 ft-lbs.
>
> -mel
>
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT)
> Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my
>> lead. I've just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to
>> remove. I'm sure 10 lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than
>> enough.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque
>>
>>
>> Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I don't
>> have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The
>> problems I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque
>> wrench and tightens it much higher. You probably recall that the
>> filter torque used to be 18 lb.-ft. I assume that Champion thought
>> that was to tight, and I would agree, and so it was lowered.
>>
>> Cliff
>>
>> On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
>>> Vogt<teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:
>>>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I
>>>>> like.
>>>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was
>>>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: oil filter torque |
Well, you're probably right. Maybe if I'd gotten into the habit of using DC4 50
years ago when I first started changing oil, I'd be using it today. I confess
I
find using engine oil and torquing to 75 inch-lbs easier
________________________________
From: Mel Beckman <mel@becknet.com>
Sent: Wed, July 20, 2011 11:20:34 AM
Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque
The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to apply
Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine oil. You can
buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks. Engine oil eventually
gets sticky when compressed, which increases removal torque requirements. DC4's
inert silica suspension is designed to maintain lubrication properties for a
much longer time, over a much wider temperature range.
I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when torqued to 18
ft-lbs.
-mel
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT)
Gary Vogt <teamgrumman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my lead.
>I've just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove. I'm sure
>10 lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: flyv35b <flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM
> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque
>
>
> Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I don't have
a
>problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The problems I've had is
>when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench and tightens it much
>higher. You probably recall that the filter torque used to be 18 lb.-ft. I
>assume that Champion thought that was to tight, and I would agree, and so it was
>lowered.
>
> Cliff
>
> On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:
>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L Vogt<teamgrumman@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult.
>>
>> Gary
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b@minetfiber.com> wrote:
>>
>>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b<flyv35b@minetfiber.com>
>>>
>>> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.
>>>
>>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:
>>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like.
>>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was
>>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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