---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/20/11: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:47 AM - Re: oil filter torque (Gary Vogt) 2. 11:23 AM - Re: oil filter torque (Mel Beckman) 3. 01:18 PM - Re: oil filter torque (flyv35b) 4. 11:11 PM - Re: oil filter torque (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:52 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my lead. I've just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove. I'm sure 10 lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough. ________________________________ From: flyv35b Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I don't have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The problems I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench and tightens it much higher. You probably recall that the filter torque used to be 18 lb.-ft. I assume that Champion thought that was to tight, and I would agree, and so it was lowered. Cliff On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: > --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L Vogt > > Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult. > > Gary > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b wrote: > >> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b >> >> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft. >> >> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote: >>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like. >>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was >>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil. >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:28 AM PST US From: "Mel Beckman" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to apply Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine oil. You can buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks. Engine oil eventually gets sticky when compressed, which increases removal torque requirements. DC4's inert silica suspension is designed to maintain lubrication properties for a much longer time, over a much wider temperature range. I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when torqued to 18 ft-lbs. -mel On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Gary Vogt wrote: > I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my >lead. I've > just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove. > I'm sure 10 > lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough. > > > > ________________________________ >From: flyv35b > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque > > > > Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I >don't > have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The >problems > I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench >and > tightens it much higher. You probably recall that the filter torque > used to be 18 lb.-ft. I assume that Champion thought that was to >tight, > and I would agree, and so it was lowered. > > Cliff > > On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: >> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L >>Vogt >> >> Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult. >> >> Gary >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b wrote: >> >>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: >>>flyv35b >>> >>> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft. >>> >>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote: >>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I >>>>like. >>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest >>>>was >>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:17 PM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque I have used DC-4 for years too and maybe that is why I have no trouble removing them. A tube of it will last forever it seems. Cliff On 7/20/2011 11:20 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to apply > Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine oil. > You can buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks. Engine > oil eventually gets sticky when compressed, which increases removal > torque requirements. DC4's inert silica suspension is designed to > maintain lubrication properties for a much longer time, over a much > wider temperature range. > > I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when torqued > to 18 ft-lbs. > > -mel > > On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) > Gary Vogt wrote: >> I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my >> lead. I've just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to >> remove. I'm sure 10 lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than >> enough. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: flyv35b >> To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM >> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque >> >> >> Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I don't >> have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The >> problems I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque >> wrench and tightens it much higher. You probably recall that the >> filter torque used to be 18 lb.-ft. I assume that Champion thought >> that was to tight, and I would agree, and so it was lowered. >> >> Cliff >> >> On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: >>> Vogt >>> >>> Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult. >>> >>> Gary >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft. >>>> >>>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote: >>>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I >>>>> like. >>>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was >>>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil. >>>>> >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:36 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque Well, you're probably right. Maybe if I'd gotten into the habit of using DC4 50 years ago when I first started changing oil, I'd be using it today. I confess I find using engine oil and torquing to 75 inch-lbs easier ________________________________ From: Mel Beckman Sent: Wed, July 20, 2011 11:20:34 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to apply Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine oil. You can buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks. Engine oil eventually gets sticky when compressed, which increases removal torque requirements. DC4's inert silica suspension is designed to maintain lubrication properties for a much longer time, over a much wider temperature range. I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when torqued to 18 ft-lbs. -mel On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Gary Vogt wrote: > I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my lead. >I've just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove. I'm sure >10 lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough. > > > > ________________________________ > From: flyv35b > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM > Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: oil filter torque > > > Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I don't have a >problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The problems I've had is >when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench and tightens it much >higher. You probably recall that the filter torque used to be 18 lb.-ft. I >assume that Champion thought that was to tight, and I would agree, and so it was >lowered. > > Cliff > > On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote: >> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L Vogt >> >> Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult. >> >> Gary >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b wrote: >> >>> --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b >>> >>> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft. >>> >>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote: >>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like. >>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was >>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message teamgrumman-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/teamgrumman-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/teamgrumman-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.