---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/11/11: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:06 AM - Re: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the wor... (BILL9725@AOL.COM) 2. 08:26 AM - Re: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the wor... (Airport Bum) 3. 10:35 AM - Re: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the works. Sign up now (No Obligation) (Gary Vogt) 4. 10:50 AM - Re: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the works. Sign up now (No Obligation) (Airport Bum) 5. 03:54 PM - Re: Planning time frames for Cowling (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:23 AM PST US From: BILL9725@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the wor... Hi I am very much interested in the new electronic ignition system, have seen it in several other planes and all rave about it. So add me to the list: Bill Stigile, 209-368-5849, Plane 1975 Tiger 180 HP. Thanks Bill Stigile In a message dated 8/10/2011 2:01:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aa5_driver@yahoo.com writes: While at OSH, we ran across a vendor who has a newly stc'd electronic ignition available. They are hard at work on the adding all the Grumman A A1's and AA5's to the the AML. This seems to be a proven product with over 250 0 installed in experimental's . The system keeps one of your Mags (for safety & back up) and substitutes a pick up sensor in place of the second mag. You should see an increase i n efficiency and performance. Fuel savings should be in the 10%-15% range, there will be an increase in usable horsepower and high altitude performance. I have spoken with the President Michael Kobylik and he is eager to work with our group to get his product out there. We have discussed a group bu y and the discount will be determined by the response from customers. Mike has asked that I send out some feelers to the group so he can judge the interest. This seems like a great product and since it is already STC'd for all 4 cyl. Lycoming powered Cessna's, it is just a matter of adding the Grumman' s to the AML which should take 30-45 days. We are scheduled to install a un it when the AML is done and can provide feedback at that time. The system looks to be very high quality and simple. There are no overhaul requirements, just inspection at tbo before installing a new engi ne if you choose to do so at that time. We have used similar systems in race ca rs and have had excellent results. Please forward me your information: Name, Phone number and Plane/engine type if you would like to get in on the group buy. This is a no obligati on sign-up list and no up no money is due until you actually buy a system when the group buy is finalized. By signing up you are not obligated to p ay any money or to buy a system. The list is just to gauge interest so the discounts can be determined. Final group buy pricing will only be availab le after the close of the list. If you are not on the list, you will not be eligible for the group buy pricing. The whole system lists for $3400.00 and sells retail for $2890 at Spruce, and if there is enough interest we are working on a nice discount for the group buy. Michael has included this press release from Oshkosh and I have some photos that I can forward since the Gang's server removes them. Feel free to contact me or you can contact Michael directly. No further details on the pricing will be available until we assemble the list for th e group buy. When that is done, there will be an announcement made here on the Gang. Please don't bug Michael about pricing, but feel free to call t o discuss the system. If you do call Michael, please let him know that you have a Grumman and that you heard about it from this email. For now, we will keep the list open until Sept 15, 2011. _http://electroair.net/index.php/products/stc/ignition-kit.html_ (http://electroair.net/index.php/products/stc/ignition-kit.html) Kevin 36 1 533 6 288 Press Release Below: *************************************** 317 Catrell Drive, Suite 2 - Howell, MI 48843 517.552.9390 FAX 517.552.9391 email: sales@electroair.net For immediate release July 25, 2011 Airventure 2011 Oshkosh, WI Electroair, the =9Cfirst to advance ignition=9D, announced tod ay the receipt of the first FAA Supplement Type Certificate (STC) for a pure electronic general aviation piston engine ignition system. The initial STC is engine specific for all Lycoming four cylinder engines installed on Cessna Aircraft =93 additional airframe eligibi lity will be added over the next few months. This STC allows installation of Electroair=99s proprietary computerized ignition system in certificated aircraft. Significant performance and economy improvements have been documented in use of Electroair=99s ignition systems, over 2,500 of which have been previ ously installed in experimental aircraft. With issuance of the FAA STC, virtually all certificated general aviation aircraft will be able to enjoy the power and fuel economy the systems provide. The Electroair electronic ignition system replaces one magneto with the following: an RPM measurement device, a manifold pressure sensor and a high output coil all controlled by a sophisticated and versatile controller to advance timing according to altitude and provide a significantly hotter, longer duration spark than previously available. Aircraft spark plugs are approved. Electroair President, Michael Kobylik said upon receiving the STC, =9CUnder the leadership of the Chicago Small Aircraft Directorate, the FAA provided tremendous support and careful guidance in our two-year long testing and documentation process, leading to the design approval.=9D. Industry sources see the very flexible electronic ignition system, perfected by Electroair as part of the answer to changes in future aviation fuel and a way to achieve large improvements in fuel consumption and performance enhancements right now. Electroair anticipates obtaining STCs for all six cylinder Continental and Lycoming engines over the next several months. Contact Electroair at 866-494-3002 and sales@electroair.net. For more information go to _www.electroair.net_ (http://www.electroair.net/) . See Electroair at EAA=99s 2011 AirVenture convention July 25- August 31 in Oshkosh, WI, Building C, Booth 3175. Pictures available at Airventure, Building C, Booth #3175. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:09 AM PST US From: Airport Bum Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the wor... Your on the list, will advise when we have more details. --- On Thu, 8/11/11, BILL9725@aol.com wrote: From: BILL9725@aol.com Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the wor... =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0AHi =0A=C2-=0AI am very much interested in the new ele ctronic ignition system, have seen =0Ait in several other planes and all ra ve about it.=C2- So add me to the =0Alist:=C2- Bill Stigile, 209-368-58 49, Plane 1975 Tiger 180 HP.=C2- =0A=C2-=0AThanks =0A=C2-=0ABill Stig ile =0A=C2-=0A=0AIn a message dated 8/10/2011 2:01:17 P.M. Pacific Daylig ht Time, =0Aaa5_driver@yahoo.com writes:=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A While at OSH, we ran across a vendor who has a newly =0A stc'd elect ronic ignition available.=C2- They are hard at work on the =0A add ing all the Grumman AA1's and AA5's to the the AML.=C2- This seems =0A to be a proven product with over 2500 installed in experimental's =0A . The system keeps=C2- one of your Mags (for safety & back =0A up) a nd substitutes a pick up sensor in place of the second mag.=C2- =0A You should see an increase in efficiency and performance.=C2- Fuel =0A savings should be in the 10%-15% range, there will be an increase in =0A usable horsepower and high altitude performance. I have spoken =0A with the President Michael Kobylik and he is eager to work with our =0A group to get his product out there.=C2- We h ave discussed a group buy =0A and the discount will be determined by the response from =0A customers.=C2- Mike has asked that I send out some feelers to =0A the group so he c an judge the interest. This seems like a great =0A product and since it is already STC'd fo r all 4 cyl. Lycoming powered =0A Cessna's, it is just a matter of a dding the Grumman's to the AML which =0A should take 30-45 days.=C2 - We are scheduled to install a unit when =0A the AML is done and can provide feedback at that time. The system =0A looks to be very high quality and simple.=C2- There are no overhaul =0A requirements, just inspection at tbo before ins talling a new engine if =0A you choose to do so at that time.=C2- We have used similar systems in =0A race cars and have had excellent results. Please forward =0A me your information:=C2- Name, Phone number and Plane/engine type if =0A you would like to get in on the group buy. =C2- This is a no =0A obligation sign-up list and no up no money i s due until you actually buy =0A a system when the group buy is fina lized.=C2- By signing up you are =0A not obligated to pay any mone y or to buy a system.=C2- The list is =0A just to gauge interest s o the discounts can be determined.=C2- Final =0A group buy pricing will only be available after the close of the =0A list.=C2- If yo u are not on the list, you will not be eligible for the =0A group bu y pricing. The whole system lists for $3400.00 and sells =0A retail for $2890 a t Spruce, and if there is enough interest we are =0A working on a ni ce discount for the group buy. Michael has =0A included this press release from Oshkosh and I have some photos that I =0A can forward since the Gang's server removes t hem. Feel free to =0A contact me or you can contact Michael directly.=C2 - No further details =0A on the pricing will be available until we assemble the list for the =0A group buy.=C2- When that is done, t here will be an announcement made =0A here on the Gang.=C2- Please don't bug Michael about pricing, but feel =0A free to call to discu ss the system.=C2- If you do call Michael, please =0A let him know that you have a Grumman and that you heard about it from =0A this e mail. =C2- For now, we will keep the list open until Sept 15, =0A 2011. http://electroair.net/index.php/products/stc/ignition-kit.html Kevin =C2-36 =0A 1=C2- 533=C2- 6 288 Press Release =0A Below: *************************************** 317 Catrell Drive, =0A Suite 2 - Howell, MI 48843 517.552.9390 FAX 517.552.9391 email: =0A sales@electroair.net For immediate =0A release July 25, 2011 Airventure 2011 Oshkosh, WI Electroair, =0A the =9Cfirst to advance ignition=9D, ann ounced today the receipt of the =0A first FAA Supplement Type Certificate (STC) for a pure electronic =0A general aviation piston engine ignition system. The initial STC is =0A engine specific for all Lyco ming four cylinder engines installed on =0A Cessna Aircraft =93 additional airfra me eligibility will be added =0A over the next few months. This STC allows installation of =0A Electroair =99s proprietary computerized ignition system in certificated =0A aircraft. Significant performance and economy improvements have been =0A docum ented in use of Electroair=99s ignition systems, over 2,500 of =0A which have been previously installed in experimental aircraft. With =0A issuance of the FAA STC, virtually a ll certificated general aviation =0A aircraft will be able to enjoy the power and fuel econo my the systems =0A provide. The Electroair electronic ignition system replaces one =0A magneto w ith the following: an RPM measurement device, a manifold =0A pressure sensor and a high ou tput coil all controlled by a =0A sophisticated and versatile controller to advanc e timing according =0A to altitude and provide a significantly hotter, longer duration spark =0A than previously available. Aircraft spark plugs are =0A approved. Electroair President, Michael Kobylik said upon receiving =0A the ST C, =9CUnder the leadership of the Chicago Small Aircraft =0A Directorate, the FAA pr ovided tremendous support and careful guidance =0A in our two-year long testing and do cumentation process, leading to =0A the design approval.=9D. Industry sources see the very flexible =0A electronic ignition syste m, perfected by Electroair as part of the =0A answer to changes in future aviation fuel and a w ay to achieve =0A large improvements in fuel consumption and performance enhancements =0A ri ght now. Electroair anticipates obtaining STCs for all six cylinder =0A Continental and Lycoming engines over the next several months. =0A Contact Electroair at 866-494-3002 and sales@electroair.net. For more =0A information go to www.electroair.net. See Electroair at EAA=99s =0A 2011 AirVenture convention July 25- August 31 in Oshkosh, WI, =0A Buildin g C, Booth 3175. Pictures available at Airventure, Building C, =0A Booth #3175.=0A=0A st href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0As.matronics.com/">http://forums. matronics.com=0Ap://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.co =====0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:56 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the works. Sign up now (No Obligation) Interested. =C2-But broke.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro m: Airport Bum =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:57 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: Ne w Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the works. Sign up now (No Ob ligation)=0A=0A=0A=0AWhile at OSH, we ran across a vendor who has a newly s tc'd =0Aelectronic ignition available.=C2- They are hard at work on the a dding all =0Athe Grumman AA1's and AA5's to the the AML.=C2- This seems t o be a proven =0Aproduct with over 2500 installed in experimental's .=0A=0A The system =0Akeeps=C2- one of your Mags (for safety & back up) and subst itutes a =0Apick up sensor in place of the second mag.=C2- You should see an increase =0Ain efficiency and performance.=C2- Fuel savings should be in the 10%-15% =0Arange, there will be an increase in usable horsepower an d high altitude =0Aperformance.=0A=0AI have spoken with the President Micha el Kobylik and=0A he is eager to work with our group to get his product out there.=C2- We =0Ahave discussed a group buy and the discount will be det ermined by the =0Aresponse from customers.=C2- =0A=0AMike has asked that I=0A send out some feelers to the group so he can judge the interest.=0A=0A This=0A seems like a great product and since it is already STC'd for all 4 cyl.=0A Lycoming powered Cessna's, it is just a matter of adding the Grumma n's =0Ato the AML which should take 30-45 days.=C2- We are scheduled to i nstall a =0Aunit when the AML is done and can provide feedback at that time .=0A=0AThe=0A system looks to be very high quality and simple.=C2- There are no overhaul=0A requirements, just inspection at tbo before installing a new engine if =0Ayou choose to do so at that time.=C2- We have used simi lar systems in race =0Acars and have had excellent results.=0A=0APlease for ward me your information:=C2- Name, Phone number and Plane/engine type if you would like to get in on the group buy.=C2- This is a no obligation s ign-up list and no up no money is due until =0Ayou actually buy a system wh en the group buy is finalized.=C2- By signing up you are not obligated to pay any money or to =0Abuy a system.=C2- The list is just to gauge inter est so the discounts can =0Abe determined.=C2- Final group buy pricing wi ll only be available after the close of the list.=C2- If you are not on t he list, you will not be =0Aeligible for the group buy pricing. =0A=0AThe w hole system lists for =0A$3400.00 and sells retail for $2890 at Spruce, and if there is enough =0Ainterest we are working on a nice discount for the g roup buy.=0A=0AMichael=0A has included this press release from Oshkosh and I have some photos =0Athat I can forward since the Gang's server removes th em.=0A=0AFeel =0Afree to contact me or you can contact Michael directly.=C2 - No further =0Adetails on the pricing will be available until we assembl e the list for =0Athe group buy.=C2- When that is done, there will be an announcement made =0Ahere on the Gang.=C2- Please don't bug Michael about pricing, but feel free=0A to call to=0A discuss the system.=C2- If you d o call Michael, please let him know that =0Ayou have a Grumman and that you heard about it from this email. =C2- For =0Anow, we will keep the list o pen until Sept 15, 2011.=0A=0Ahttp://electroair.net/index.php/products/stc/ ignition-kit.html=0A=0A=0AKevin=0A=C2-36 1=C2- 533=C2- 6 288=0A=0A=0A Press Release Below:=0A***************************************=0A317 Catrel l Drive, Suite 2 - Howell, MI 48843=0A517.552.9390 FAX 517.552.9391=0Aemail : sales@electroair.net=0A=0AFor immediate release July 25, 2011=0AAirventur e 2011=0AOshkosh, WI=0AElectroair, the =9Cfirst to advance ignition =9D, announced today the receipt of the first FAA=0ASupplement Type C ertificate (STC) for a pure electronic general aviation piston engine=0Aign ition system. The initial STC is engine specific for all Lycoming=0A four c ylinder=0Aengines installed on Cessna Aircraft =93 additional airfram e eligibility will be added over=0Athe=0A next few months. This STC allows installation of Electroair=99s proprietary=0Acomputerized ignition sy stem in certificated aircraft.=0ASignificant performance and economy improv ements have been documented in use of=0AElectroair=99s ignition syste ms, over 2,500 of which have been previously installed in=0Aexperimental ai rcraft. With issuance of the FAA STC, virtually all certificated general=0A aviation aircraft will be able to enjoy the power and fuel economy the syst ems provide.=0AThe Electroair electronic ignition system replaces one magne to with the following: an=0ARPM measurement device, a manifold pressure sen sor and a high output coil all=0Acontrolled by a sophisticated and versatil e controller to advance timing according to=0Aaltitude and provide a signif icantly hotter, longer duration spark than previously=0Aavailable. Aircraft spark plugs are approved.=0AElectroair President, Michael Kobylik said upo n receiving the STC, =9CUnder=0A the=0Aleadership of the Chicago Smal l Aircraft Directorate, the FAA provided tremendous=0Asupport and careful g uidance in our two-year long testing and documentation process,=0Aleading t o the design approval.=9D.=0AIndustry sources see the very flexible e lectronic ignition system, perfected by Electroair=0Aas part of the answer to changes in future aviation fuel and a way to achieve large=0Aimprovement s in fuel consumption and performance enhancements right now. Electroair=0A anticipates obtaining STCs for all six cylinder Continental and Lycoming en gines over=0Athe next several months. Contact Electroair at 866-494-3002 an d sales@electroair.net.=0AFor more information go to www.electroair.net. Se e Electroair at EAA=99s 2011=0AAirVenture convention July 25- August 31 in Oshkosh, WI, Building C, Booth 3175.=0APictures available at=0A Airve ==== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:02 AM PST US From: Airport Bum Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the works. Sign up now (No Obligation) ""Aw man with all those cowl sales you should be rolling in it. :) Seriously, Michael will be calling you.=C2- I think this will be a good p roduct and you can sell and install some. Kevin --- On Thu, 8/11/11, Gary Vogt wrote: From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the works. Sign up now (No Obligation) Interested. =C2-But broke. From: Airport Bum Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: TeamGrumman-List: New Electronic ignition available. Group buy in the works. Sign up now (No Obligation) While at OSH, we ran across a vendor who has a newly stc'd =0Aelectronic ig nition available.=C2- They are hard at work on the adding all =0Athe Grum man AA1's and AA5's to the the AML.=C2- This seems to be a proven =0Aprod uct with over 2500 installed in experimental's . The system =0Akeeps=C2- one of your Mags (for safety & back up) and subst itutes a =0Apick up sensor in place of the second mag.=C2- You should see an increase =0Ain efficiency and performance.=C2- Fuel savings should be in the 10%-15% =0Arange, there will be an increase in usable horsepower an d high altitude =0Aperformance. I have spoken with the President Michael Kobylik and=0A he is eager to work with our group to get his product out there.=C2- We =0Ahave discussed a group buy and the discount will be determined by the =0Aresponse from custo mers.=C2- Mike has asked that I=0A send out some feelers to the group so he can judge the interest. This=0A seems like a great product and since it is already STC'd for all 4 cyl.=0A Lycoming powered Cessna's, it is just a matter of adding the Grumma n's =0Ato the AML which should take 30-45 days.=C2- We are scheduled to i nstall a =0Aunit when the AML is done and can provide feedback at that time .. The=0A system looks to be very high quality and simple.=C2- There are no overhaul=0A requirements, just inspection at tbo before installing a new en gine if =0Ayou choose to do so at that time.=C2- We have used similar sys tems in race =0Acars and have had excellent results. Please forward me your information:=C2- Name, Phone number and Plane/engi ne type if you would like to get in on the group buy.=C2-=0A This is a no obligation sign-up list and no up no money is due until =0Ayou actually bu y a system when the group buy is=0A finalized.=C2- By signing up you are not obligated to pay any money or to =0Abuy a system.=C2- The list is jus t to gauge interest so the discounts can =0Abe determined.=C2- Final grou p buy pricing will only be available after the=0A close of the list.=C2- If you are not on the list, you will not be =0Aeligible for the group buy p ricing. The whole system lists for =0A$3400.00 and sells retail for $2890 at Spruce , and if there is enough =0Ainterest we are working on a nice discount for the group buy. Michael=0A has included this press release from Oshkosh and I have some pho tos =0Athat I can forward since the Gang's server removes them. Feel =0Afree to contact me or you can contact Michael directly.=C2- No fu rther =0Adetails on the pricing will be available until we assemble the lis t for =0Athe group buy.=C2- When that is done, there will be an announcem ent made =0Ahere on the Gang.=C2- Please don't bug Michael about pricing, but feel free=0A to call to=0A discuss the system.=C2- If you do call Mi chael, please let him know that =0Ayou have a Grumman and that you heard ab out it from this email. =C2- For =0Anow, we will keep the list open until Sept 15, 2011. http://electroair.net/index.php/products/stc/ignition-kit.html Kevin =C2-36 1=C2- 533=C2- 6 288 Press Release Below: *************************************** 317 Catrell Drive, Suite 2 - Howell, MI 48843 517.552.9390 FAX 517.552.9391 email: sales@electroair.net For immediate release July 25, 2011 Airventure 2011 Oshkosh, WI Electroair, the =9Cfirst to advance ignition=9D, announced toda y the receipt of the first FAA Supplement Type Certificate (STC) for a pure electronic general aviation pi ston engine ignition=0A system. The initial STC is engine specific for all Lycoming=0A four cylinder engines installed on Cessna Aircraft =93 additional airframe eligibil ity will be added over the=0A next few months. This STC allows installation of Electroair=99 s proprietary computerized ignition system in certificated aircraft. Significant performance and economy improvements have been documented in us e of Electroair=99s ignition systems, over 2,500 of which have been previo usly installed in experimental aircraft. With issuance of the FAA STC, virtually all certific ated general aviation aircraft will be able to enjoy the power and fuel economy the syst ems provide. The Electroair electronic ignition system replaces one magneto with the fol lowing: an RPM measurement device, a manifold pressure sensor and a high output coil a ll controlled by a sophisticated and versatile controller to advance timing ac cording to altitude and provide a significantly hotter, longer duration spark than pre viously available. Aircraft spark plugs are approved. Electroair President, Michael Kobylik said upon receiving the STC, =9CUnder=0A the leadership of the Chicago Small Aircraft Directorate, the FAA provided trem endous support and careful guidance in our two-year long testing and documentation process, leading to the design approval.=9D. Industry sources see the very flexible electronic ignition system, perfecte d by Electroair as part of the answer to changes in future aviation fuel and a way to achie ve large improvements in fuel consumption and performance enhancements right now. El ectroair anticipates obtaining STCs for all six cylinder Continental and Lycoming en gines over the next several months. Contact Electroair at 866-494-3002 and sales@elect roair.net. For more information go to www.electroair.net. See Electroair at EAA =99s 2011 AirVenture convention July 25- August 31 in Oshkosh, WI, Building C,=0A Boo th 3175. Pictures available at=0A Airventure, Building C, Booth #3175.=0Ahttp://www. matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List http://========= ===============0A=0A =======================0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:32 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Re: Planning time frames for Cowling Hi Matt,=0A=0ASorry about the delays. -Long story short is Dave has had a bit of family stuff to deal with. -He has 2 cowling completed and is fin ishing up the last one; it should be ready in a couple of weeks. -Once th ey are all done, I drive to Lancaster to pick them up. -12 hours of drivi ng in one day, round trip. -I have the boxes ready to go. -Shipping to you is $300. -So, that's your balance. -I really appreciate your patien ce. -=0A=0AI talked to Boris today; he installed the first one. -He sai d it took a lot longer to install all the nutplates, cam locs, and hinge th an it did to fit the cowling. -He said he has about 100 hours in it, incl uding paint. -=0A=0AI think I met Brooks a long time ago. -If not, the name sure sounds familiar. -=0A=0AWhen these cowlings are finished, I thi nk I'll have him make another one so I have one in stock. -I wish I could afford to sit on 3 or 4 of them.=0A=0AGary=0A=0A=0A_______________________ _________=0AFrom: "matt@drahz.com" =0ATo: Gary Vogt =0ACc: Brooks Margolien =0ASent: T hursday, August 11, 2011 11:12 AM=0ASubject: Planning time frames for Cowli ng=0A=0A=0A-=0AGary,=0A-=0ABrooks Margolien and I were doing some plann ing on his shop workload for the upcoming two Vogt-Cowls he is going to ins tall (for me a Dan Schmidt). We originally had a notional 30 day delivery t ime, and we are way beyond that now. I was wondering if you had an updated delivery estimate so that we could have Brooks make the appropriate plans.. ..that would really be a help...=0A-=0Amatt d.=0A-=0A/p.s. 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