---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/31/11: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:52 AM - AA5 - Performance Modifications (Andrew Kuzyk) 2. 10:05 AM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (923te) 3. 10:16 AM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (ArjayS@AOL.COM) 4. 10:21 AM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (Gary Vogt) 5. 10:32 AM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (Michael W. Meyer) 6. 10:33 AM - Re: Cylinder Head Temps (Gary Vogt) 7. 11:01 AM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (m drahz) 8. 11:28 AM - Re: Cylinder Head Temps (Brian) 9. 01:26 PM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (Andrew Kuzyk) 10. 01:56 PM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (FLYaDIVE) 11. 02:15 PM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (Andrew Kuzyk) 12. 03:48 PM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (923te) 13. 03:49 PM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (Gary Vogt) 14. 06:34 PM - Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications (FLYaDIVE) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:39 AM PST US From: Andrew Kuzyk Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems too complex, costly for too little performance. I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. Is there anything else? Andrew NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or o mitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you receive d this communication in error or without authorization please notify us i mmediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entir e communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:23 AM PST US From: 923te <923te@att.net> Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications Hi Andrew If you want the most bang for the buck you'll spend less and go faster just s elling the Travelor and buying a Tiger. If you want to make the Travelor go really fast the most bang for buck is t hru Maynard Crosbys STC for installing a 180HP Lycoming up front. There are a few Travelors with this engine and thei r owners like to think they are faster than Tigers. Maynards number is (425) 493-7067. You can clean polish wax drag red uce prop change aft CG and lighten until You run out of ideas but all that combined won't give you as much gain as th e bigger engine. Do all that and add the engine and then you'll have the fastest Travelor Ned > I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression overh aul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for additional p erformance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. > > A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems too c omplex, costly for too little performance. > > I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of installat ion and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. > > Is there anything else? > Andrew > > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information t ransmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is c onfidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for deliver ing the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this c ommunication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any act ion in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communication i n error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-ma il or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any com puter, disk drive, or other storage medium. > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:10 AM PST US From: ArjayS@AOL.COM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications I am compelled to agree with Ned. Sell the plane, get a Tiger. Absolutley the cheapest way to go faster. Everthing else is an experiment in how much money you can spend in a never ending pursuit of "almost as fast as a Tiger" for far more money. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:08 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications I built a 74 Traveler about 8 years ago that would true out at 137 knots. -Nothing fancy. -Just clean-up mods. -=0A=0ANed's right. -Spend the money on a Tiger.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Andrew Kuzyk =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wedne sday, August 31, 2011 8:50 AM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performanc e Modifications=0A=0A=0AI fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. -I a m looking for additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endur ance. -=0AA few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems too complex, costly for too little performance.-=0AI am looking in to wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA.=0A=0AIs there anything else?=0AAndrew - =0A=0ANOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any info rmation transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee( s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosur e, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omi tting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you received th is communication in error or without authorization please notify us immedia tely by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire commun ============= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:42 AM PST US From: "Michael W. Meyer" Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications =85and once you have the Tiger, you can add most of the "go fast" mods to it, as well. You're just starting from a faster basic aircraft. Thanks, Michael Michael W. Meyer Tiger N74086 San Francisco, CA michael@flightsked.com On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Gary Vogt wrote: > I built a 74 Traveler about 8 years ago that would true out at 137 knots. Nothing fancy. Just clean-up mods. > > Ned's right. Spend the money on a Tiger. > > From: Andrew Kuzyk > To: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:50 AM > Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications > > I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. > A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems too complex, costly for too little performance. > I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. > > Is there anything else? > Andrew > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:33 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cylinder Head Temps Seriously, if you just want to see lower CHTs, remove the JPI and install a nd EI. =C2-It's that simple.=0A=0AFlat out cruise at 2500 feet, leaned, y ou should see something in the neighborhood of 440 on a JPI.=0A=0AClimb-out on a hot day, keep the temps below 470. =C2-Start addressing the problem when the CHT get to 450 and the JPI starts flashing.=0A=0ALow power cruise : expect something in the high 300's.=0A=0A========== =0AI've tried everything to make the JPI indicate lower. =C2-JPIs have gr ounded probes. =C2-They are seeing temps referenced to a common ground. =C2-EIs have ungrounded probes. =C2-They use the temperature of the EI unit itself as a reference temperature. =C2-JPIs probes touch aluminum. =C2-EI probes don't. =C2-Maybe that affects it, maybe not. =C2-Bottom line: =C2-JPIs read higher than EIs.=0A=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0AFrom: busdriver =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matro nics.com=0ASent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:47 PM=0ASubject: TeamGrumman-Lis ver" =0A=0AWhat should the cylinder head temperatures indicate on a later model AG5B with good seals/ baffles?=C2- Everything I have read says to keep the CHT=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s below 400 degrees , but I am not having much success.=C2- #4 is running 420- 430 in the cli mb with #3 not far behind- I am using a brand new JPI EDM-700 for monitorin g.=C2- I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m climbing full throttle and full rich mi xture at 100kts+ airspeed.=C2- Even in cruise, the temps don=C3=A2=82 =AC=84=A2t decrease significantly=C3=A2=82=AC=C2 is this normal fo r a Tiger?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.ma =========================0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:14 AM PST US From: m drahz Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications Some place in my archives I have a rather complete 337 for the use of DMA AA1 Wheel Pants on an AA5. Since I got it through the New England FSDO - it must have been good enough. If it is needed, let me know - I will do the archeology and find it. matt d / do not archive Andrew Kuzyk wrote: > > I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression > overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for > additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. > > A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems > too complex, costly for too little performance. > > I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of > installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. > > Is there anything else? > > Andrew > > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. 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If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cylinder Head Temps From: "Brian" VGhhbmtzLCBHYXJ5LiBJIHRob3VnaHQgSSByZW1lbWJlciByZWFkaW5nIHRoaXMgYnV0IGhhZCBu b3QgcmVzZWFyY2hlZCB0aGUgQXJjaGl2ZXMuIA0KDQpJIGhhdmUgdGhlIEpQSSBhbmQgdHJ5IHRv IGtlZXAgdGhlIG1heCBDSFQgdW5kZXIgYWJvdXQgNDE1IHdoZW4gbmVhciByZWRsaW5lIFJQTSBh dCBhbHRpdHVkZSBpbiBteSAnNzcgVGlnZXIgd2l0aCBubyBwb3dlciBmbG93LiAgQWRkaW5nIGEg Yml0IG9mIHJpY2hlciBtaXh0dXJlIGtlZXBzIHRoZSBDSFQgaW4gY2hlY2sgd2hpbGUgcHJlc2Vy dmluZyBwb3dlciAoUlBNKS4gDQpHbGFkIHRvIGdldCBjb25maXJtYXRpb24gdGhhdCB0aGUgSlBJ IHJlYWRzIGhpZ2hlciB0aGFuIEVJLiANCkNoZWVycyENCi0tQnJpYW4NCg0KDQpCcmlhbiBIYXVz a25lY2h0DQpiaGF1c2tuZUBnbWFpbC5jb20NCnd3dy5icmlhbmZseXMubmV0DQp3d3cuYnJpYW5m bHlzLmNvbQ0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IEJsYWNrYmVycnkNCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdl LS0tLS0NCkZyb206IEdhcnkgVm9ndCA8dGVhbWdydW1tYW5AeWFob28uY29tPg0KU2VuZGVyOiBv d25lci10ZWFtZ3J1bW1hbi1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpEYXRlOiBXZWQsIDMx IEF1ZyAyMDExIDEwOjMxOjEzIA0KVG86IHRlYW1ncnVtbWFuLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbTx0 ZWFtZ3J1bW1hbi1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogdGVhbWdydW1tYW4tbGlz dEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFRlYW1HcnVtbWFuLUxpc3Q6IEN5bGluZGVyIEhl YWQgVGVtcHMNCg0KU2VyaW91c2x5LCBpZiB5b3UganVzdCB3YW50IHRvIHNlZSBsb3dlciBDSFRz LCByZW1vdmUgdGhlIEpQSSBhbmQgaW5zdGFsbCBhbmQgRUkuIMKgSXQncyB0aGF0IHNpbXBsZS4K CkZsYXQgb3V0IGNydWlzZSBhdCAyNTAwIGZlZXQsIGxlYW5lZCwgeW91IHNob3VsZCBzZWUgc29t ZXRoaW5nIGluIHRoZSBuZWlnaGJvcmhvb2Qgb2YgNDQwIG9uIGEgSlBJLgoKQ2xpbWItb3V0IG9u IGEgaG90IGRheSwga2VlcCB0aGUgdGVtcHMgYmVsb3cgNDcwLiDCoFN0YXJ0IGFkZHJlc3Npbmcg dGhlIHByb2JsZW0gd2hlbiB0aGUgQ0hUIGdldCB0byA0NTAgYW5kIHRoZSBKUEkgc3RhcnRzIGZs YXNoaW5nLgoKTG93IHBvd2VyIGNydWlzZTogZXhwZWN0IHNvbWV0aGluZyBpbiB0aGUgaGlnaCAz MDAncy4KCj09PT09PT09PT0KSSd2ZSB0cmllZCBldmVyeXRoaW5nIHRvIG1ha2UgdGhlIEpQSSBp bmRpY2F0ZSBsb3dlci4gwqBKUElzIGhhdmUgZ3JvdW5kZWQgcHJvYmVzLiDCoFRoZXkgYXJlIHNl ZWluZyB0ZW1wcyByZWZlcmVuY2VkIHRvIGEgY29tbW9uIGdyb3VuZC4gwqBFSXMgaGF2ZSB1bmdy b3VuZGVkIHByb2Jlcy4gwqBUaGV5IHVzZSB0aGUgdGVtcGVyYXR1cmUgb2YgdGhlIEVJIHVuaXQg aXRzZWxmIGFzIGEgcmVmZXJlbmNlIHRlbXBlcmF0dXJlLiDCoEpQSXMgcHJvYmVzIHRvdWNoIGFs dW1pbnVtLiDCoEVJIHByb2JlcyBkb24ndC4gwqBNYXliZSB0aGF0IGFmZmVjdHMgaXQsIG1heWJl IG5vdC4gwqBCb3R0b20gbGluZTogwqBKUElzIHJlYWQgaGlnaGVyIHRoYW4gRUlzLgoKCl9fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCkZyb206IGJ1c2RyaXZlciA8Y2xtaWxsZXJAbmV0 emVyby5uZXQ+ClRvOiB0ZWFtZ3J1bW1hbi1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20KU2VudDogU2F0dXJk YXksIEp1bHkgMTcsIDIwMTAgMTo0NyBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBUZWFtR3J1bW1hbi1MaXN0OiBDeWxp bmRlciBIZWFkIFRlbXBzCgotLT4gVGVhbUdydW1tYW4tTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTog ImJ1c2RyaXZlciIgPGNsbWlsbGVyQG5ldHplcm8ubmV0PgoKV2hhdCBzaG91bGQgdGhlIGN5bGlu ZGVyIGhlYWQgdGVtcGVyYXR1cmVzIGluZGljYXRlIG9uIGEgbGF0ZXIgbW9kZWwgQUc1QiB3aXRo IGdvb2Qgc2VhbHMvIGJhZmZsZXM/wqAgRXZlcnl0aGluZyBJIGhhdmUgcmVhZCBzYXlzIHRvIGtl ZXAgdGhlIENIVMOi4oKs4oSicyBiZWxvdyA0MDAgZGVncmVlcywgYnV0IEkgYW0gbm90IGhhdmlu ZyBtdWNoIHN1Y2Nlc3MuwqAgIzQgaXMgcnVubmluZyA0MjAtIDQzMCBpbiB0aGUgY2xpbWIgd2l0 aCAjMyBub3QgZmFyIGJlaGluZC0gSSBhbSB1c2luZyBhIGJyYW5kIG5ldyBKUEkgRURNLTcwMCBm b3IgbW9uaXRvcmluZy7CoCBJw6LigqzihKJtIGNsaW1iaW5nIGZ1bGwgdGhyb3R0bGUgYW5kIGZ1 bGwgcmljaCBtaXh0dXJlIGF0IDEwMGt0cysgYWlyc3BlZWQuwqAgRXZlbiBpbiBjcnVpc2UsIHRo ZSB0ZW1wcyBkb27DouKCrOKEonQgZGVjcmVhc2Ugc2lnbmlmaWNhbnRsecOi4oKswqYgaXMgdGhp cyBub3JtYWwgZm9yIGEgVGlnZXI/CgoKCgpSZWFkIHRoaXMgdG9waWMgb25saW5lIGhlcmU6Cgpo dHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cj0NCg= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:07 PM PST US From: Andrew Kuzyk Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications HI Ned, I tried selling mine and buying a Tiger, but I would not have received much money in return to offset the cost differential. So I decided to do engine mods. I might try what you are suggesting again but more likely I will get even less of the money back. Thanks. Andrew On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:02 PM, 923te wrote: > Hi Andrew > If you want the most bang for the buck you'll spend less and go faster just selling the Travelor and buying a Tiger. > If you want to make the Travelor go really fast the most bang for buck is thru Maynard Crosbys STC for installing a > 180HP Lycoming up front. There are a few Travelors with this engine and their owners like to think they are faster than > Tigers. Maynards number is (425) 493-7067. You can clean polish wax drag reduce prop change aft CG and lighten until > You run out of ideas but all that combined won't give you as much gain as the bigger engine. Do all that and add the engine > and then you'll have the fastest Travelor > Ned > >> I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. >> >> A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems too complex, costly for too little performance. >> >> I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. >> >> Is there anything else? >> Andrew >> >> >> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. >> >> >> >> ======================== >> t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List >> ======================== >> ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> ======================== >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ======================== >> > > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. 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Barry "Chop'd Liver" On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Kuzyk wrote: > I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression > overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for > additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. > > A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems too > complex, costly for too little performance. > I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of > installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. > > Is there anything else? > > **Andrew ** > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and i s confidential. 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Andrew On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:53 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > Andrew: > > The only other item that I can think of is re-pitching the prop. > > Barry > "Chop'd Liver" > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Kuzyk wrote: > I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. > > A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems too complex, costly for too little performance. > > I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. > > Is there anything else? > Andrew > > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. 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Which would be more of a cli mb prop than a cruise prop but they make more HP by running at the higher rp m Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Kuzyk wrote: > Barry, > > Is the idea to twist it to get a bigger bite or a finer bite? The issue I have is I fly out of a fairly short field so I need a bit of climb performa nce. > > Andrew > > > On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:53 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > >> Andrew: >> >> The only other item that I can think of is re-pitching the prop. >> >> Barry >> "Chop'd Liver" >> >> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Kuzyk wrote: >> I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression over haul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for additional p erformance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. >> >> A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems too complex, costly for too little performance. >> >> I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of installa tion and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. >> >> Is there anything else? >> Andrew >> >> >> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information t ransmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is c onfidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for deliver ing the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this c ommunication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any act ion in reliance upon this communication. 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If you received this communication in error or without authorization pleas e notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delet e the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage ==================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications From: FLYaDIVE Andrew: A lot more info is needed to make that judgement/call: - How long a runway - Type of runway - MSL of runway - Prevailing winds to runway - Density ALT - How much does the plane weigh for your flights - Alt required to clear any obstruction(s) - What is your Max Static RPM - What pitch do you have now Answer these questions and a calculated judgement can be made. Barry "Chop'd Liver" On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Kuzyk wrote: > Barry, > > Is the idea to twist it to get a bigger bite or a finer bite? The issue I > have is I fly out of a fairly short field so I need a bit of climb > performance. > > Andrew > > > On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:53 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > > Andrew: > > The only other item that I can think of is re-pitching the prop. > > Barry > "Chop'd Liver" > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Kuzyk wrote: > >> I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression >> overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for >> additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance. >> >> A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems to o >> complex, costly for too little performance. >> I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of >> installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA. >> >> Is there anything else? >> >> **Andrew ** >> >> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. 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