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Andrew:
My response is within the body of your email.
Barry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:
> HI Barry,
>
> So here is the additional information to help make a judgement call.
>
> 1 - Length of Runway - 2550 feet
>
OK
> 2 - Type of Runway - Paved and lit
>
OK
> 3 - Prevailing Winds - 260=BA - 008=BA
>
OK 26 & 08
> 4 - Density Alt - 2932 feet
>
AHhhhh now you are getting high and thin air.
> 5 - Typical weight of plane at takeoff - 1642 pilot only full fuel - 2062
> wive and kids, full fuel
>
SO, lets say 2200 Max for the AA5
> 6 - 260=BA end - 50' obstruction/ 008=BA end - no obstructions
>
HOW FAR OUT???
> 7 - Max Static RPM - not to exceed 2375 RPM on the ground
>
THIS is a bot HIGH for static... Are you sure? Is your TACH correct?
> 8 - Current Pitch - the original McCauley prop I think it is 52"
>
This is not correct... AA5 is 57 to 59" unless you have the HC Mod and th
e
STC'd prop by Sensenich.
IF you do have a 52" that would explain the high static RPM.
Since you do have a little Density Altitude issue I would go with the HC
upgrade and check your prop pitch.
You will have a greater gain by going with the HC Mod than the guess factor
of the PowerFlow.
So, a higher pitch 59" takes a bigger bite of the air and will give you
better air speed.
A low pitch 57" takes a smaller bite and your air speed decreases BUT you
will have a better Rate of Climb. Good for short & High Density Altitude
airports.
IT'S ALWAYS A TRADE OFF.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
> So what do you think?
>
> Andrew
>
>
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> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:30 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>
> Andrew:
>
> A lot more info is needed to make that judgement/call:
>
> - How long a runway
> - Type of runway
> - MSL of runway
> - Prevailing winds to runway 26
> - Density ALT
> - How much does the plane weigh for your flights
> - Alt required to clear any obstruction(s)
> - What is your Max Static RPM 2375
> - What pitch do you have now 52
>
> Answer these questions and a calculated judgement can be made.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:
>
>> Barry,
>>
>> Is the idea to twist it to get a bigger bite or a finer bite? The issue
I
>> have is I fly out of a fairly short field so I need a bit of climb
>> performance.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:53 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>>
>> Andrew:
>>
>> The only other item that I can think of is re-pitching the prop.
>>
>> Barry
>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression
>>> overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for
>>> additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance.
>>>
>>> A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it seems t
oo
>>> complex, costly for too little performance.
>>> I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of
>>> installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA.
>>>
>>> Is there anything else?
>>>
>>> **Andrew **
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| Subject: | AA5 - Performance Modifications |
Barry wrote in reply to Andrew:
Since you do have a little Density Altitude issue I would go with the HC
upgrade and check your prop pitch.
You will have a greater gain by going with the HC Mod than the guess factor
of the PowerFlow.
Power Flow: There is never a substitute for displacement - that is agreed.
But there is a really simple and easy way to know how much extra power a
Power Flow will give you, as an alternative taking your cylinders off
changing the pistons on your engine, which is what you do by going with the
HC pistons. Pulling the cylinders, installing the pistons, reinstalling,
etc is a quite a number of hours.
In contrast, you can take off the cowling, do a full static run-up 90
degrees apart (to account for wind) and get an accurate Static RPM number.
Drop the old exhaust, install the Power Flow, leave the cowling off and
repeat the test. You'll know in an instant (as long as the winds aren't
howling) what kind of static RPM you have gained. If you get what you are
looking for (typical gain is 50-75 RPM) then you can continue to modify the
cowling (as appropriate for the kind of Power Flow Exhaust you want.)
These steps can be done in 3-4 hours (or less.) Typically in about a day
you are ready to go fly with the full modification done on your aircraft -
no engine break-in required.
The Power Flow comes with a money back guarantee. So except for labor and
shipping, you get the price of the exhaust back. Buy it through a preferred
dealer and they will even cover the labor and shipping should you choose to
return. No one has actually done that yet, but that is our total peace of
mind feature. If I recall correctly, we have had only 1 return on a Power
Flow under our money back guarantee - out of over 300 or so Grummans flying.
My suggestion above doesn't work as simple if this a cheetah or aa5 above
s/n 640, as you then have to install the Power Flow airbox and that does add
some time.
IMHO The best set-up is to do both the HC and the Power Flow. This
optimizes everything. Most customers tell me that the consider the HC when
the engine is ready for overhaul as that seems to be the most cost effective
time to do it as you have the engine apart anyway. That makes sense to me.
Barry wrote:
So, a higher pitch 59" takes a bigger bite of the air and will give you
better air speed.
A low pitch 57" takes a smaller bite and your air speed decreases BUT you
will have a better Rate of Climb. Good for short & High Density Altitude
airports.
IT'S ALWAYS A TRADE OFF.
Power Flow: Totally agreed!
Darren Tilman
General Manager
Power Flow Systems, Inc.
386.253.8833
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications |
Thanks Barry,
I need to check some of the items you've outlined.
For Density Altitude I used a online density calculator - need to check.
Along those lines I need to check the pitch of my prop.
Thanks Again,
Andrew
On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:24 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
> Andrew:
>
> My response is within the body of your email.
>
> Barry
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:
> HI Barry,
>
> So here is the additional information to help make a judgement call.
>
> 1 - Length of Runway - 2550 feet
> OK
> 2 - Type of Runway - Paved and lit
> OK
> 3 - Prevailing Winds - 260=BA - 008=BA
> OK 26 & 08
> 4 - Density Alt - 2932 feet
> AHhhhh now you are getting high and thin air.
> 5 - Typical weight of plane at takeoff - 1642 pilot only full fuel -
2062 wive and kids, full fuel
> SO, lets say 2200 Max for the AA5
> 6 - 260=BA end - 50' obstruction/ 008=BA end - no obstructions
> HOW FAR OUT???
> 7 - Max Static RPM - not to exceed 2375 RPM on the ground
> THIS is a bot HIGH for static... Are you sure? Is your TACH correct?
> 8 - Current Pitch - the original McCauley prop I think it is 52"
> This is not correct... AA5 is 57 to 59" unless you have the HC Mod
and the STC'd prop by Sensenich.
> IF you do have a 52" that would explain the high static RPM.
> Since you do have a little Density Altitude issue I would go with the
HC upgrade and check your prop pitch.
> You will have a greater gain by going with the HC Mod than the guess
factor of the PowerFlow.
>
> So, a higher pitch 59" takes a bigger bite of the air and will give
you better air speed.
> A low pitch 57" takes a smaller bite and your air speed decreases BUT
you will have a better Rate of Climb. Good for short & High Density
Altitude airports.
>
> IT'S ALWAYS A TRADE OFF.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
> So what do you think?
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:30 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>
>> Andrew:
>>
>> A lot more info is needed to make that judgement/call:
>> How long a runway
>> Type of runway
>> MSL of runway
>> Prevailing winds to runway 26
>> Density ALT
>> How much does the plane weigh for your flights
>> Alt required to clear any obstruction(s)
>> What is your Max Static RPM 2375
>> What pitch do you have now 52
>> Answer these questions and a calculated judgement can be made.
>>
>> Barry
>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>
wrote:
>> Barry,
>>
>> Is the idea to twist it to get a bigger bite or a finer bite? The
issue I have is I fly out of a fairly short field so I need a bit of
climb performance.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:53 PM, FLYaDIVE wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew:
>>>
>>> The only other item that I can think of is re-pitching the prop.
>>>
>>> Barry
>>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com>
wrote:
>>> I fly a '74 Grumman Traveler and recently had a top high compression
overhaul completed along with a Powerflow exhaust. I am looking for
additional performance enhancements for speed climb and endurance.
>>>
>>> A few days ago I initiated a conversation about winglets but it
seems too complex, costly for too little performance.
>>>
>>> I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned about the cost of
installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA.
>>>
>>> Is there anything else?
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: AA5 - Performance Modifications |
Hi Darren,
I did do the HC mod along with the Powerflow. The engine sounds so
different, quieter and more throaty. I think I may need to look at my
prop in earnest. Would you know where to get a Sensenich Prop cheap.
Andrew
On Sep 1, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Darren Tilman wrote:
>
> Barry wrote in reply to Andrew:
> Since you do have a little Density Altitude issue I would go with the
HC upgrade and check your prop pitch.
> You will have a greater gain by going with the HC Mod than the guess
factor of the PowerFlow.
>
> Power Flow: There is never a substitute for displacement - that is
agreed. But there is a really simple and easy way to know how much
extra power a Power Flow will give you, as an alternative taking your
cylinders off changing the pistons on your engine, which is what you do
by going with the HC pistons. Pulling the cylinders, installing the
pistons, reinstalling, etc is a quite a number of hours.
>
> In contrast, you can take off the cowling, do a full static run-up 90
degrees apart (to account for wind) and get an accurate Static RPM
number. Drop the old exhaust, install the Power Flow, leave the cowling
off and repeat the test. You=92ll know in an instant (as long as the
winds aren=92t howling) what kind of static RPM you have gained. If you
get what you are looking for (typical gain is 50-75 RPM) then you can
continue to modify the cowling (as appropriate for the kind of Power
Flow Exhaust you want.) These steps can be done in 3-4 hours (or
less.) Typically in about a day you are ready to go fly with the full
modification done on your aircraft ' no engine break-in required.
>
> The Power Flow comes with a money back guarantee. So except for labor
and shipping, you get the price of the exhaust back. Buy it through a
preferred dealer and they will even cover the labor and shipping should
you choose to return. No one has actually done that yet, but that is
our total peace of mind feature. If I recall correctly, we have had
only 1 return on a Power Flow under our money back guarantee ' out of
over 300 or so Grummans flying.
>
> My suggestion above doesn=92t work as simple if this a cheetah or aa5
above s/n 640, as you then have to install the Power Flow airbox and
that does add some time.
>
> IMHO The best set-up is to do both the HC and the Power Flow. This
optimizes everything. Most customers tell me that the consider the HC
when the engine is ready for overhaul as that seems to be the most cost
effective time to do it as you have the engine apart anyway. That makes
sense to me.
>
> Barry wrote:
> So, a higher pitch 59" takes a bigger bite of the air and will give
you better air speed.
> A low pitch 57" takes a smaller bite and your air speed decreases BUT
you will have a better Rate of Climb. Good for short & High Density
Altitude airports.
>
> IT'S ALWAYS A TRADE OFF.
>
> Power Flow: Totally agreed!
>
>
> Darren Tilman
> General Manager
> Power Flow Systems, Inc.
> 386.253.8833
>
>
>
>
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Andrew,=0A=0AThe only measure I make is that the engine needs to turn over
2700 rpm at 7000 feet. -=0A=0AThe rest is esoteric. -=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0AFrom: FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com>=0ATo: teamgru
mman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 1:24 PM=0ASubje
ct: Re: TeamGrumman-List: AA5 - Performance Modifications=0A=0A=0AAndrew:
=0A=0AMy-response-is within the body of your email.=0A=0ABarry=0A=0A=0A
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:=0A
=0AHI Barry,=0A>=0A>=0A>So here is the additional information to help make
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- Type of Runway - Paved and lit=0AOK-=0A3 - Prevailing Winds - 260=BA -
008=BA=0AOK 26 & 08-=0A4 - Density Alt - 2932 feet=0AAHhhhh now you are g
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-on the ground-=0ATHIS is a bot HIGH for static... Are you sure? -Is
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would explain the high static RPM.=0ASince you do have a little Density Alt
itude issue I would go with the HC upgrade and check your prop pitch.=0AYou
will have a greater gain by going with the HC Mod than the guess factor of
the PowerFlow.=0A=0ASo, a higher pitch 59" takes a bigger bite of the air
and will give you better air speed. -=0AA low pitch 57" takes a smaller b
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=0A>=0A>Andrew=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>- =0A>=0A>On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:30 PM, FLYa
DIVE wrote:=0A>=0A>Andrew:=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>A lot more info is needed to make
that judgement/call:=0A>>* How long a runway=0A>>* Type of runway=0A>
>* MSL of runway=0A>>* Prevailing winds to runway 26=0A>>* Density
ALT=0A>>* How much does the plane weigh for your flights=0A>>* Alt r
equired to clear any obstruction(s)=0A>>* What is your Max Static RPM
-2375=0A>>* What pitch do you have now -52=0A>>Answer these question
s and a calculated judgement can be made.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Barry=0A>>"Chop'd L
iver"=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Kuzyk
<andrew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>Barry,=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Is the idea to
twist it to get a bigger bite or a finer bite? -The issue I have is I fly
out of a fairly short field so I need a bit of climb performance.=0A>>>=0A
>>>=0A>>>Andrew=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>=0A>>>On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:53 PM,
FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>Andrew:-=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>The only other it
em that I can think of is re-pitching the prop.=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Barry
=0A>>>>"Chop'd Liver"=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:50 AM,
Andrew Kuzyk <andrew@entro.com> wrote:=0A>>>>=0A>>>>I fly a '74 Grumman Tr
aveler and recently had a top high compression overhaul completed along wit
h a Powerflow exhaust. -I am looking for additional performance enhanceme
nts for speed climb and endurance. -=0A>>>>>A few days ago I initiated a
conversation about winglets but it seems too complex, costly for too little
performance.-=0A>>>>>I am looking into wheel pants but am concerned abou
t the cost of installation and product, so far I have ony investigated DMA.
=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>Is there anything else?=0A>>>>>Andrew- =0A>>>>>
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| Subject: | Official TeamGrumman-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the TeamGrumman-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below.
The
complete TeamGrumman-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/TeamGrumman-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/TeamGrumman-List.htm
************************************************************
******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains TeamGrumman-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the TeamGrumman-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the TeamGrumman-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
*****************************
*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
teamgrumman-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "teamgrumman-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the TeamGrumman-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
*******************************
*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the TeamGrumman-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/teamgrumman-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all TeamGrumman-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the TeamGrumman-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* TeamGrumman-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the TeamGrumman-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the TeamGrumman-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the TeamGrumman-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?TeamGrumman
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the TeamGrumman-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the TeamGrumman-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
TeamGrumman-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the TeamGrumman-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
TeamGrumman-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/TeamGrumman-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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TeamGrumman-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the TeamGrumman-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the TeamGrumman-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
TeamGrumman-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the TeamGrumman-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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