---------------------------------------------------------- TeamGrumman-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/16/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:01 AM - Re: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto (Gary Vogt) 2. 11:12 AM - Re: Flashing Beacons (Gary Vogt) 3. 11:47 AM - AK-450 (Gary Vogt) 4. 12:41 PM - Cowling support pics (Gary Vogt) 5. 01:33 PM - Re: Cowling support pics (Airport Bum) 6. 03:57 PM - Re: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto (Jim Fudge) 7. 05:49 PM - Re: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto (flyv35b) 8. 11:17 PM - Re: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto (Gary Vogt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:02 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto It isn't difficult. -It just doesn't make any sense. -You don't need to carry around the extra weight. -If it were me doing the conversion (IO36 0 into a Cheetah/Traveler), I'd keep the 2200 gross weight. -Unless you c arry a lot of passengers and baggage frequently, it don't make sense.=0A=0A Even if you loaded the plane over 2200 lbs, the only thing you'd need to wo rry about is burning off the excess fuel before your insurance company inve stigates the crash. -The Traveler/Cheetah spar is strong enough to handle anything you'd care to try to do with it.=0A=0A=0A________________________ ________=0AFrom: Andrew Kuzyk =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: Tea mGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto=0A=0A=0AHow difficult wou ld it be do a centre spar conversion on a Traveler?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-Andrew Kuzyk-BID, ACIDO,-RGD-//-Partner=0A-Entro Communications=0A-12 2 Parliament St.=0A-Toronto, Canada M5A-2Y8=0A=0A-T:-416-368-6988 x 222=0A-M: 416-706-4490=0A-F: 416-368-5616=0A-www.entro.com=0A- =0A =0AOn Sep 15, 2011, at 11:57 AM, flyv35b wrote:=0A=0A--> TeamGrumman-List m essage posted by: flyv35b =0A>=0A>All of the planes converted to the IO-360 and IO-540 engines started life as Cheetahs and ha d the Tiger center spar conversion, bringing the GW up to 2400lb.=0A>=0A>Cl iff=0A>=0A>On 9/15/2011 7:56 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A>=0A>Yup!=0A>>=0A>=0A>> =0A>It IS an AA5-A, converted to a Saber Tiger or a Saber Cheatha..=0A>>=0A >The S/N: tell you AA5-A=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>-* Year:1979=0A>>=0A>-* Manuf acturer:Grumman/American General=0A>>=0A>-* Model:AA5B Tiger=0A>>=0A>-* Price:$60,000.00=0A>>=0A>-* Location:N/A=0A>>=0A>-* Condition:Used=0A> >=0A>-* Serial Number:AA5A0555=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:38 AM, >=0A>> wrote:=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>---Registration shows it so be an A A5A.=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>---Brian=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>--------------- ------------------------------------------------------------=0A>>=0A>=0A>> =0A>---*From: *"flyv35b" >=0A>--->=0A>>=0A>---*To: *teamgrumman-list@matro nics.com=0A>>=0A>---=0A>>=0A> ---*Sent: *Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:42:04 AM=0A>>=0A>---* Subject: *Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto=0A>>=0A> flyv35b=0A>>=0A>--->=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>---Seems to me that may be Joe Breuer's old Tiger that he sold quite a few=0A>>=0A>---years ago to someone in CA. -Was based up at Columbia (I think) for=0A>>=0A>---some=0A>>=0A> ---time. -If so it has the IO-360-A1B6D (?) engine out of an RG Car dinal.=0A>>=0A>---Anyone know what the N-number is?=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A> ---Cliff=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>---On 9/15/2011 12:09 AM, James Court ney wrote:=0A>>=0A>----> Interesting:=0A>>=0A>---->=0A>>=0A >----> http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1369624.html=0A>>=0A>- --->=0A>>=0A>----> Jamey=0A>>=0A>---->=0A>>=0A>-- --> *=0A>>=0A>---->=0A>>=0A>---->=0A>>=0A>----> *=0A>>=0A>---__=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>---*=0A>>=0A>=0A>> =0A>---st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamG rumman-List=0A>>=0A>---tp://forums.matronics.com=0A>>=0A>---_bl ank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>---*=0A>> ---- The ----> http://www.ma------------& n------------- ------------ ------------&nbs----> http://www.matronics.com/ co==================0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A=0ANOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. 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If you received this c ommunication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communicat ============= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:31 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Flashing Beacons Whelen strobe:-A490TCCF SERIES -PN 11-14714 (Aircraft Spruce)=0AWhelen tail light/strobe: A500AV14 or H14. -I forget if it's vertical or horizon tal. -Look at your tail light and see which way the sides are cut.=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Brock Windsor =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:32 PM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Flashing Beacons=0A=0A=0AHav e you got a manufacturer and part number?=0A=0A--- On Thu, 9/15/11, flyv35b wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: flyv35b =0A>Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Flashing Beacons=0A>To: teamgrumman -list@matronics.com=0A>Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 11:24 AM=0A>=0A> >=0A>=0A>I second that.- And if you want to make it simple and save money you can =0A>use the existing beacon switch and wiring to operated the tail strobe =0A>separately.=0A>=0A>Cliff=0A>=0A>On 9/15/2011 9:05 AM, Gary L Vo gt wrote:=0A>> Replace it with a tail strobe.=0A>>=0A>> Gary=0A>> Sent from my iPad=0A>>=0A>> On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Brock Windsor > > wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> Speaking o f Flashing=0A Beacons=0A>>> The beacon has gone out on my Tiger. My mechani c said it was the=0A>>> module, and I should replace the whole thing with a self-contained=0A>>> module as it is more reliable and only slightly more than a new=0A>>> module. Is the Whelen 70509 Flasher the right unit to use on my plane.=0A>>> Brock Windsor=0A>>> Norman=0A>>>=0A>>> *=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A> >> *=0A>> *=0A>>avigator?TeamGrumman-List"=0A target=_blank>http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List ht=- - - - - - - - ==== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:32 AM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: AK-450 I have an AK-450 removed for installation of the newer AK-451 (406 hz) ELT. -no tray=0A=0A$50 includes shipping. - ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:31 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling support pics I put pics of the cowling support I use on the Jaguar cowling on the AuCountry Aviation Facebook page. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: Cowling support pics From: Airport Bum Some of us don't do facebook. Kevin Gary Vogt wrote: >I put pics of the cowling support I use on the Jaguar cowling on the AuCountry Aviation Facebook page. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:57:29 PM PST US From: "Jim Fudge" Subject: RE: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto Who has the conversion stc for the IO360 in a cheetah? From: owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:58 PM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto It isn't difficult. It just doesn't make any sense. You don't need to carry around the extra weight. If it were me doing the conversion (IO360 into a Cheetah/Traveler), I'd keep the 2200 gross weight. Unless you carry a lot of passengers and baggage frequently, it don't make sense. Even if you loaded the plane over 2200 lbs, the only thing you'd need to worry about is burning off the excess fuel before your insurance company investigates the crash. The Traveler/Cheetah spar is strong enough to handle anything you'd care to try to do with it. _____ From: Andrew Kuzyk Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:10 AM Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto How difficult would it be do a centre spar conversion on a Traveler? Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO, RGD // Partner Entro Communications 122 Parliament St. Toronto, Canada M5A 2Y8 T: 416-368-6988 x 222 M: 416-706-4490 F: 416-368-5616 www.entro.com On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:57 AM, flyv35b wrote: All of the planes converted to the IO-360 and IO-540 engines started life as Cheetahs and had the Tiger center spar conversion, bringing the GW up to 2400lb. Cliff On 9/15/2011 7:56 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: Yup! It IS an AA5-A, converted to a Saber Tiger or a Saber Cheatha.. The S/N: tell you AA5-A * Year:1979 * Manufacturer:Grumman/American General * Model:AA5B Tiger * Price:$60,000.00 * Location:N/A * Condition:Used * Serial Number:AA5A0555 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:38 AM, > wrote: Registration shows it so be an AA5A. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"flyv35b" > *To: *teamgrumman-list@matronics.com

*Sent: *Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:42:04 AM *Subject: *Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto > Seems to me that may be Joe Breuer's old Tiger that he sold quite a few years ago to someone in CA. Was based up at Columbia (I think) for some time. If so it has the IO-360-A1B6D (?) engine out of an RG Cardinal. Anyone know what the N-number is? Cliff On 9/15/2011 12:09 AM, James Courtney wrote: > Interesting: > > http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1369624.html > > Jamey > > * > > > * __ * st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution * * http://www.ma &n - &nbs --> http://www.matronics.com/co================ NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or responsible for delivering the message to an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited, as is the taking or omitting of any action in reliance upon this communication. If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium. http://www.matronics.com/Navitarget="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matron--> browse Un/Subscription, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List Forums! Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:27 PM PST US From: flyv35b Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto No one! There is no multiple STC available to purchase. There was only one multiple STC issued and it is not for sale, at this time anyhow. Cliff On 9/16/2011 3:55 PM, Jim Fudge wrote: > Who has the conversion stc for the IO360 in a cheetah? > > *From:*owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary > Vogt > *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2011 12:58 PM > *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto > > It isn't difficult. It just doesn't make any sense. You don't need to > carry around the extra weight. If it were me doing the conversion (IO360 > into a Cheetah/Traveler), I'd keep the 2200 gross weight. Unless you > carry a lot of passengers and baggage frequently, it don't make sense. > > Even if you loaded the plane over 2200 lbs, the only thing you'd need to > worry about is burning off the excess fuel before your insurance company > investigates the crash. The Traveler/Cheetah spar is strong enough to > handle anything you'd care to try to do with it. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*Andrew Kuzyk > > *To:* teamgrumman-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:10 AM > *Subject:* Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto > > > How difficult would it be do a centre spar conversion on a Traveler? > > > > Andrew Kuzyk BID, ACIDO,RGD // Partner > > > *Entro Communications* > 122 Parliament St. > > Toronto, Canada M5A 2Y8 > > > T: *416-368-6988 x 222* > M: 416-706-4490 > > F: 416-368-5616 > > > _www.entro.com_ > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:57 AM, flyv35b wrote: > > > > > > All of the planes converted to the IO-360 and IO-540 engines started > life as Cheetahs and had the Tiger center spar conversion, bringing the > GW up to 2400lb. > > Cliff > > On 9/15/2011 7:56 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote: > > > > Yup! > > > > It IS an AA5-A, converted to a Saber Tiger or a Saber > Cheatha.. > > The S/N: tell you AA5-A > > > > * Year:1979 > > * Manufacturer:Grumman/American General > > * Model:AA5B Tiger > > * Price:$60,000.00 > > * Location:N/A > > * Condition:Used > > * Serial Number:AA5A0555 > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:38 AM, > <_cloudvalley@comcast.net_ > > <_mailto:cloudvalley@comcast.net_>> wrote: > > > > Registration shows it so be an AA5A. > > > > Brian > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *From: *"flyv35b" <_flyv35b@minetfiber.com_ > > <_mailto:flyv35b@minetfiber.com_>> > > *To: _*teamgrumman-list@matronics.com_ > > <_mailto:teamgrumman-list@matronics.com_> > > *Sent: *Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:42:04 AM > > *Subject: *Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo > Alto > > > > > > > > > <_flyv35b@minetfiber.com_ > <_mailto:flyv35b@minetfiber.com_>> > > > > Seems to me that may be Joe Breuer's old Tiger that he sold quite a > few > > years ago to someone in CA. Was based up at Columbia (I think) > for > > some > > time. If so it has the IO-360-A1B6D (?) engine out of an RG > Cardinal. > > Anyone know what the N-number is? > > > > Cliff > > > > On 9/15/2011 12:09 AM, James Courtney wrote: > > > Interesting: > > > > > > > _http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1369624.html_ > > > > > > Jamey > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > * > > __ > > > > > > * > > > > st" > target="_blank">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List_ > > tp://forums.matronics.com > > _blank">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > _http://www.ma &n - &nbs --> > __http://www.matronics.com/co================ > > > _ > > _ > _ > > _NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. This communication, including any information transmitted with it, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and is confidential. 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If you received this communication in error or without authorization please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and permanently delete the entire communication from any computer, disk drive, or other storage medium._ > > > *_http://www.matronics.com/Navitarget="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matron--> __ > > > _* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** *_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List_ * > > * * > > ** * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > ** *_http://forums.matronics.com_ * > > * * > > ** * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ * > > * * > > * * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:07 PM PST US From: Gary Vogt Subject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto Be patient. -I'm working on an STC for an IO360 into a Tiger that is 1/5 as much work as what has previously been done. -=0A=0A=0A________________ ________________=0AFrom: Jim Fudge =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, September 16, 2011 3:55 PM=0ASubject: RE: Tea mGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto=0A=0A=0AWho has the conve rsion stc for the IO360 in a cheetah?=0A-=0A-=0A-=0AFrom:owner-teamgr umman-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-teamgrumman-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Vogt=0ASent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:58 P M=0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO- 360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto=0A-=0AIt isn't difficult. -It just does n't make any sense. -You don't need to carry around the extra weight. - If it were me doing the conversion (IO360 into a Cheetah/Traveler), I'd kee p the 2200 gross weight. -Unless you carry a lot of passengers and baggag e frequently, it don't make sense.=0A-=0AEven if you loaded the plane ove r 2200 lbs, the only thing you'd need to worry about is burning off the exc ess fuel before your insurance company investigates the crash. -The Trave ler/Cheetah spar is strong enough to handle anything you'd care to try to d o with it.=0A-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:Andrew Kuz yk =0ATo: teamgrumman-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday , September 15, 2011 11:10 AM=0ASubject: Re: TeamGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto=0A=0A=0A=0AHow difficult would it be do a centre spa r conversion on a Traveler?=0A-=0A-Andrew Kuzyk-BID, ACIDO,-RGD-/ /-Partner=0A=0A-Entro Communications=0A-122 Parliament St.=0A-Toron to, Canada M5A-2Y8=0A=0A-T:-416-368-6988 x 222=0A-M: 416-706-4490 =0A-F: 416-368-5616=0A=0A-www.entro.com=0A-=0A-=0AOn Sep 15, 2011, flyv35b =0A=0AAll of the planes converted to the I O-360 and IO-540 engines started life as Cheetahs and had the Tiger center spar conversion, bringing the GW up to 2400lb.=0A=0ACliff=0A=0AOn 9/15/2011 7:56 AM, FLYaDIVE wrote:=0A=0A=0AYup!=0A-=0AIt IS an AA5-A, converted to a Saber Tiger or a Saber Cheatha..=0AThe S/N: tell you AA5-A=0A-=0A-* Year:1979=0A-* Manufacturer:Grumman/American General=0A-* Model:AA5B Ti ger=0A-* Price:$60,000.00=0A-* Location:N/A=0A-* Condition:Used=0A- * Serial Number:AA5A0555=0A-=0A-=0AOn Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:38 AM, > wrote:=0A-=0A ---Registration shows it so be an AA5A.=0A-=0A---Brian=0A- =0A------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------=0A-=0A---*From: *"flyv35b" >=0A---*To: *teamgrumman-list@ma tronics.com=0A---=0A---* Sent: *Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:42:04 AM=0A---*Subject: *Re: Te amGrumman-List: IO-360 tiger for sale in Palo Alto=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A- inetfiber.com >=0A-=0A---Seems to me that may be Joe Breuer's old Tiger that he sold quite a few=0A---yea rs ago to someone in CA. -Was based up at Columbia (I think) for=0A-- -some=0A---time. -If so it has the IO-360-A1B6D (?) engine out of an RG Cardinal.=0A---Anyone know what the N-number is?=0A-=0A- --Cliff=0A-=0A---On 9/15/2011 12:09 AM, James Courtney wrote: =0A----> Interesting:=0A---->=0A----> http://www.tr ade-a-plane.com/detail/1369624.html=0A---->=0A----> Jamey =0A---->=0A----> *=0A---->=0A---->=0A-- --> *=0A---__=0A-=0A-=0A---*=0A-=0A---st" targe t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?TeamGrumman-List=0A-- -tp://forums.matronics.com=0A---_blank">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution=0A-=0A---*=0A-=0A-=0A*=0A-=0A=0A>http://www.ma- -----------&n------------- ------------------------&nb s----> http://www.matronics.com/co============ ======0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0ANOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY. 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